April 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: maiden voyage
by Conbert H Benneck 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi Cherri, Congratulations on your first sail, ......and join the crowd! I think we've all been there and have had similar experiences. The solution to your problem of having the sail slides fall out is to have a sail stop. This is a round slug that fits in the mast slot and has a large round nut on the outside that you can tighten and there-by lock the sail slides in place. See WEST Catalog...... You also need a boom downhaul. At the moment, without looking at it I can't tell you exactly how it is rigged. but basically you have a line going from the bottom of the boom through an eye and back to a cleat. This keeps the boom from riding up, and falling out of the slot in the mast. It also allows you to add tension to the leach of the main sail to change the sail shape. An easy solution for the slide problem is to just tie a piece of bungee cord around the mast. Then the slides can't get by the bungee cord and fall out of the slot. Bungee cord is eductated rubber bands. It has a woven cover over an interior of rubber strands. It comes in various dameters, and a 1/8th inch piece should solve your problem. Just wrap it around the mast twice and put a square knot in it - pulling it tight enough so that it won't slide on the mast. Problem solved! Don't release the topping lift until after you have the main up and the halyard cleated off. Then release the topping lift so that the main can assume it's proper shape (topping lift with some slack). Do you really have a genoa? I only have a regular jib, and the fairleads for that are on the cabin top and the sheet goes to a cam cleat. May you always have fair winds and a hands breadth of water under your keel. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: learning, always learning
by Conbert H Benneck 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi Tod, Your thoughts about keeping the vane as light as possible are correct. When I built mine using 1/4" marine plywood - and my vane was about 3' high; I needed heavy lead weights to balance the vane, and at this pont I'd guess and say each weighted about 5 lbs! (I used two weights): remember you are balancing the weight of the vane weight/lever arm against the balance weigh/lever arm; and to keep the weight swinging radius small, the weight has to go up. You have a fun project, and will learn a lot; though it will cause lots of head scratching and beer drinking while you sort out the problems. But, hey, ..... when it is done, you designed it; you built it; and it works! That's a source of tremendous satisfaction. You'll be the envy of everyone in every harbor when you pull in with a wind vane on the stern, and can tell them how well it hold course. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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"Sailing" Magazine
by Honshells 20 Apr '02

20 Apr '02

I wrote to the editor of my favorite American magazine, "Sailing", and asked him to feature the Montgomerys. Because Montys are older designs, he didn't seem too keen on covering the boats themselves, but said he would very much welcome pocket-cruising article submissions featuring the boats. If any of you who contribute cruising adventure stories to the MSOG site are interested in being published in a mainstream magazine, I wrote to: Adam Cort (sailingmag(a)ameritech.net) Deputy Managing Editor Sailing Magazine 125 Main Street P.O. Box 249 Port Washington, WI 53074 Adam's response to my inquiry was: Thanks for the input regarding the Montgomery 17 and 15. They look like neat boats and I would love to see them get more coverage in our magazine. Because they are older designs they are not especially newsworthy in and of themselves, but they could be the perfect vehicle for a pocket cruiser story. In fact, cruising stories featuring smaller boats like the Montgomerys are something we are very much looking for. You wouldn't by any chance know of any writers/sailors who might be willing to give something like that a try? Or, do you know of any Montgomerys that might be available for use/charter that a writer could take out for a cruise? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a hunch Adam might feature the M boats themselves, were someone to submit an article. It would pretty cool if one of "Sailing's" staff were able to use/charter a Montgomery for a cruise article, wouldn't it?

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Montgomery 17' Study Plans
by Honshells 20 Apr '02

20 Apr '02

Does anyone have plans (drawings/dimensions) for the M17 that are more detailed than those available in the brochure or sailplan drawing on the MSOG site? I don't know if Lyle Hess ever published the M17 plans themselves, or whether those are proprietary and the sole property of Jerry, but I don't want to loft a new hull, I just want to study more detailed drawings. Thanks!

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Lake Lanier + Misc.
by Steve R 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Thanks Harvey, Sounds like a good place. We took lessons on a Capri 22 as well. On other subjects, my wife and I took lessons together. I thought it worked out very well, for several reasons, including: *She really did not want to steer, and was happy to be the crew and concentrate on learning those duties. *My first tack resulted in the instructer bellowing: "Steve, you've done this before." That gave me a great deal of credibility in her eyes. I wish I had taken lessons many years before. On yet another subject, Steve Mc you can check the MSOG website for messages you missed during your e-mail curtailment. And the final subject, Steve, (I think) with the little Monty for sale, you may want to list it on the Trailer Sailor Classified board. There is no charge. http://www.trailersailor.com/forums/classifieds/ Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- Harvey Wilson <HarveyWilson(a)compuserve.com> wrote: >Hi Steve... > >I've used Lanier Sailing Acadamy's boat rental....they have some decent >boats. In fact, I learned to sail there. > >I don't know what you'd like to rent, but the Capri 22 was one of my >favorites. I'd call and reserve a fin keel if possible. They also have >smaller and larger boats, like Catalina and Hunter 22's, an Ericsson 25+, >Impulse 26 (awesome boat if the still have it!) > >The boats are reasonably well maintained, and they're good folks to deal >with if there's a legitimate problem. I had one with a Pearson 26 several >years ago, and they only charges for an hour, even tho I was out nearly 2 >hrs. > >There may be other boat rental places on Lanier, but it's the only sailboat >rental that I've had dealings with. > > Regards, > > Harvey/Ga > >M-17 Stargazer #294 > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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maiden voyage
by Mark Pavuk 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Yesterday my friend and I took Cherri's Jubilee out for the first time. We had trailered it to a marina to do bottom paint, change the pennant, and put in the pivot pin. I also added a red boot stripe, so now she looks really flashy. We motored out of the marina, turned into the wind, tried to raise the main, and all hell broke loose, so to speak. The main sail slides kept slipping out of the mast, which also caused the boom to come out of the mast, plus we had mistakenly released the topping lift. I'm sure you all can imagine what those few minutes were like, until we decided to start over again. My point is how do you raise the sail without the slides falling out? My other boat had some sort of "clasp" type thing that held them in unless released, but this has nothing. I couldn't even raise the sail all the way up because the bottom one would slip out. With all that, she sailed beautifully, even with just the main up (I didn't want any more surprises by that time and decided to wait till next time for the jib). I also am missing a genoa block and don't know how and where to replace that - West Marine? While in the marina, the boat got alot of attention and questions, even from some of the 30 - 40 ' sailboat owners. Some were interested in getting one for sailing in the bay. Cherri Pavuk Cherri's Jubilee, M-15 #322 Toms River, NJ

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Maiden Voyage Adventures
by Derfsails＠aol.com 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Hi: My story is very similar to Wild Hare, took place on Elephant Butte Lake even. We had a Balboa 24 at the time and were sailing on the North end of the lake. The wind came up with gusts to 50 knots (As reported by Harries Marina). Being new to sailing I took the sails down, started the outboard (a Honda 9.9hp). But with the wave action the motor was out of the water more than it was in. So we raised a reefed main and sailed back toward the marina on a beam reach, but the marina was direct to windward and with little skill I didn't think I could bring the boat in. So we sailed up and down the lake for about seven hours till the wind dropped and I could motor into our rented slip. One of you folks recommend a sailing school, and I would second that advice. My wife and I sailed on different Rainbow 24's and really enjoyed the experience - learned a lot in three days. If school is not an option, then I would volunteer to crew for some experienced sailer/racer and ask all the questions I could think of every time that person did something, that as a novice I didn't understand. Sailing is great! fred

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Re: M_Boats: M 7'11"
by Randy Watkins 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

hello Bill, Your boat sounds like a cousin to mine. Mine originally came from Classic Marine of San Diego. They are no longer in business. I found out that mine floats a couple of months ago. I turtled her while sailing. Take care Randy W. M15#194 >>> Wcpritchett(a)aol.com 04/18/02 08:46PM >>> Randy, I have an M-10 and the hull looks identical to yours. The interior is different...side seats go forward to a moulded center seat made just like the sides. The seats are sealed and the boat floats if flooded. The breasthook and side rub rails look the same. The transom has wood across side to side which makes way for a small wood motor mount. Mast is set in a wood cross brace about 2' aft of bow. All the wood is teak. I suppose they made several different interiors...got this one sometime around 1975. Bill P. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Lake Lanier, GA Info
by Harvey Wilson 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Hi Steve... I've used Lanier Sailing Acadamy's boat rental....they have some decent boats. In fact, I learned to sail there. I don't know what you'd like to rent, but the Capri 22 was one of my favorites. I'd call and reserve a fin keel if possible. They also have smaller and larger boats, like Catalina and Hunter 22's, an Ericsson 25+, Impulse 26 (awesome boat if the still have it!) The boats are reasonably well maintained, and they're good folks to deal with if there's a legitimate problem. I had one with a Pearson 26 several years ago, and they only charges for an hour, even tho I was out nearly 2 hrs. There may be other boat rental places on Lanier, but it's the only sailboat rental that I've had dealings with. Regards, Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: New Email address
by Mark Pavuk 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Yes, Steve, the centerboard seems to be doing fine with a bolt, washers, and locking nut. We even changed the pennant, which actually was a pain in the neck - the line I bought fit through the holes down to the centerboard but when we made a knot to attach it to the centerboard, the knot was too wide and the board wouldn't retract. Danny did everything he could to flatten it out but we ended up buying a smaller diameter line and then everything worked out fine (3/8" didn't fit, 1/4" did). I'm looking forward to your report on your renovations - hope everything goes smoothly. Cherri ---------- From: "Steve McClellan \(at Home\)" <s.mcclellan(a)attbi.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: New Email address Date: Thu, Apr 18, 2002, 3:25 PM AT&T Broadband screwed up my account AGAIN and now I have a NEW email account (with a new address) -- I doubt if any of you had my direct address in your address books or anything, but in case anyone did, my new address is s.mcclellan(a)attbi.com <mailto:s.mcclellan@attbi.com> So for about 4 days, I have not been able to get my daily (sometimes hourly) fix of Montgomery Sailboat Owners' news -- and whatever went through the list during that time has been lost to me. What did I miss? Anything interesting? (I know I could look in the archives -- I will get details from there if I need to). Cheri, did you get your centerboard pivot problem resolved ok? I'm nearing completion of my centerboard/trunk/keel stub renovation -- I'll let you all know how it went when it's finished. -- Steve McClellan M15 #152 Chicago Area

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