July 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

CDs versus vinyl
by Oystein Moe 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Hiya, Now that it's obviously too late to bring in some new aspects to the CD/vinyl debate, I thought I might. Didn't I read in Record Collector, ages ago, that the master tape was never intended as the finished product in the '60s and '70s? Apparently, there is something called the cutting phaze (phase?). This is/was the last stage of production, and the changes could be pretty vital to the final mix. IIRC, the sound could for instance be compressed (so the differences between the loud and silent parts were diminished), or the other way around, like Peo English is not my first language so I don't know what they call that, and even some EQ went into that last stage. Come to think of it, I think Orbital have credited someone "cutting" their records at least once, although I'd suppose they would have put the final cut onto the CDs as well. Anyway, I can't believe the CD/vinyl debate found its way to the Kraftwerk mailing list as I can't think of any CD reissues I own where they did a lousier job. You don't even get the complete recording (first chord of Neonlights?) at times. I also think the fade-in of Europe Endless sounds far weaker. Not to mention all the mic hiss on Man-Machine Autobahn and some others. And I don't have a very good stereo, either, I always thought that records were more important. So, if anyone remembers the RC article I mention, I wont have to bother with searching for it. thx in advance. Oystein _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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dance like a robot appliance!
by Der Automat 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

>From Mute Mailing List info(a)mutehq.co.uk: nottinghillartsclub presents: the anti-festival festival. Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th July. Appliance (DJ set): A dip into the no doubt vast and eclectic collection of motorik Mute-signed krautrockers Appliance. Expect to dance like a robot fool to Kraftwerk, Neu! and Can, then probably receive none of the above... All details can also be found at http://www.nottinghillartsclub.com Unquote. DER AUTOMAT

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Re: "an original sound" is NEVER "digital" !!! ;-)
by Oh Jay 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

From: "Der Automat" <automat(a)offcampus.net> > Since the sound is produced by a printed circuit inside the digital > synthesizer, it is purely and completely digital yep ... that part of your sentence is TRUE_!!! ;-) > and original. nope ... this part of your sentence is FALSE_!!! :-o fyi : "an original sound" is NEVER "digital" !!! it can ONLY be (RE)CREATED ( digital ) to sound *LIKE* "an original ( i. e. "analog" ;-) sound" !!! ;-) THAT'S the diff'rence , mate !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) > He runs other projects also, like Almost Digital. ;-) well ... *ALMOST* digital !!! *hehehe* ;-))) i suppose that says it all , eh !? *BWG* ;-))) > Senor Schmidt also uses Akai MPC3000 when he plays live > as Atom Heart and Lassigue Bendthaus. true , but he ALSO uses analog equipment live to make it ( the akai & other digital equipment ;-) sound the way it sounds then !!! *sly_grin_again* ;-) in the end , WITHOUT the aid of @ least "somethin'" analog , digital jus' sounds like a bloody fake !!! *XLG* ;-))) got the concept ... finally , fellows !? *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - july 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show & playlist archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco for more info , send your request(s) to : oh_jay(a)kraftwerk.nu ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: "an original sound" is NEVER "digital" !!! ;-)
by Oh Jay 27 Jul '02

27 Jul '02

> Poppycock. If a sound is created for the first time in a digital circuit, > it is originally digital. Original as in not from a recording. It doesn't > even matter if the sound mimics a meatspace musical instrument or not; > if it's digital and not derived from a recording, it's original. > > Your rabid, biased vinylist leanings are showing again. > > We get that you're a troll, passing off controversial > as truth in order to stir us up. > > -- > /* Soleil */ well ... there's simply NO_NEED to reply in a mature & reasonable way to this PLAIN_BULLSHIT of mr. lapierre above , as i'm finally DONE with this topic ... & also with him personally !!! :-/ welcome to my personal killfiles , u utterly silly troll !!! over & out !!! oh jay *~\^/~*

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Vinyl vs. CD (was Re: [Kraftwerk] hdcd)
by Der Automat 27 Jul '02

27 Jul '02

"Digital is the future." said Uwe Schmidt. ...and I subscribe to that point of view! :-] Per-Olof Karlsson wrote: > Did you never ask yourself why DJs play vinyl and not CDs? Because they > want the audience to dance, of course. You don't dance > to a CD, 'cos there's no rock'n'roll in them. Richie Hawtin plays only CDs and digital music files when djing. Go and see http://www.finalscratch.com Soleil Lapierre answered: > I know the answer to that. Because vinyl is far easier to scratch and > beat-match. But that will change eventually. Actually I know a DJ who is > working on hardware and software to make it even easier to do DJ tricks > with MP3 files than it is with vinyl records. Take a look at HPDJ: http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/2001/jan-mar/hpDJdemo.html DATABEAT: http://www.databeat.com Per-Olof Karlsson also wrote: > Music is analog, no matter how it was produced. The end result is sound, > and sound is an analog phenomenon. My mobile telephone's ringtone sounds only digital. BTW, are human ears also analogue? :-p Oh Jay wrote: > so HOW on earth can ANY "DIGITAL" medium EVER be "better" than ANY "ANALOG" > medium then , eh ??? :-o > well ... if u prefer A_CLONE or A_COPY to THE_ORIGINAL , then it can , but > otherwise it simply COULDN'T_!!! What comes from a digital synthesizer is a digital and original sound. DER AUTOMAT

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Kraftwerk in Luxemburg
by Dirk Matten 27 Jul '02

27 Jul '02

http://www.atelier.lu/agenda/index.php3 Serch the agenda for month: September - go ... Wir laden unsere Batterie, jetzt sind wir voller Energie Dirk Matten ______________________________________________________________________________ WEB.DE MyPage - Ohne Computerkenntnisse in nur 5 Minuten online! Alles inklusive! Kinderleicht! http://www.das.ist.aber.ne.lustige.sache.ms/

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autobahn 66
by Vincent Smits 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

I just heard autobahn 66 by primal scream on the NME website. And it sounds like Neu! too me, a bit like their track "isi" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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(no subject)
by Jorge estiels 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Komputer don't have their own style........they won't last forever kraftwerk are the pionners and no one can't mess with them.Also they have the robots so rumors can't affect them... Komputer Sucks.... Soy un ser de luz!!

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(no subject)
by Oystein Moe 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Der Automat, as always thankfully keen on getting the facts right, uttered: September 1998 issue of Debug magazine featured an interview with Komputer, in which they talked about Kraftwerk: "Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A homage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]". Thanks a lot for that Der A, I have no problem writing that off as a joke. "They're too lazy, but we're working on a similar idea." That was supposed to be a joke, or I am sadly mistaken. ...Which, on the other hand, could happen. And while I'm at it, anyone claiming Kraftwerk are too lazy are right for one thing, and obviously you can be inspired by a band although they've produced absolutely bugger all for a decade. Otherwise, this mailing list would have been a rather skinny one... Oystein _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Komputer vs. Craftwerk ;-)
by Oh Jay 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

From: "Der Automat" <automat(a)offcampus.net> > By doing assertations as Komputer did and then saying that > they didn't name Kraftwerk as their main influence just because > they were being ironic is only to make themselves scarce, > in my opinion, of course. > Moreover, that doesn't exclude themselves for being a plagiarism. well ... komputer are actually PLAYIN' with that kind of "plagiarism" as an attitude to provoke such - imho - very silly questions from so called journalists ( fyi : i'm a music journalist myself , so i know my ilk !!! *G+* ;-) about their TOTALLY_OBVIOUS influence by kw !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) btw : the word "computer" ISN'T even written with a "K" in german language , as some of u ( or those silly journalists ;-) might have supposed then !!! *BWG* ;-))) p. s. : the "misspellin'" of kw in the subject line of this message was as much INTENTIONAL as the "misspellin'" of the word "Komputer" in their band name , fellows !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ Frank Zappa once described music journalism as "people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for the benefit of people who can't read!" ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - july 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show & playlist archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco for more info , send your request(s) to : oh_jay(a)kraftwerk.nu ;-) *~\^/~*

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