June 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

Re: FW: A note to you.
by E-Media 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Mr. Correa wrote: > Oh jay, I've tried to e-mail you off list, but the e-mail was returned to me > because you killfiled my addy, Fyi: You are NOT killfiled, Mr. Correa! You've only got an automated standard reply, EVERYTIME you wrote to ANY of my addresses! ;) So far, I've ONLY killfiled this Amir guy and Kevin COMPLETELY, which means that I'll not read, whatever they'll write to me anymore! But I've read and also PRIVATELY replied to your private mail by now! ;) I hope that you are happy now, Mr. Correa!? LOL > Btw, don't accuse people for not e-mailing you privately > when don't even let them. There are only a very few people that I've actively killfiled on this list (see above!) and a few more get that automated standard replies, just like you did! But I've decided to delete that filter for the automatic standard reply in your case! ;) You can actually be a really happy guy, Mr. Correa, as "the almighty Mr. Oh Jay" has decided NOT to killfile you! ROTFLMAO > Please answer to me privately. That's already done! > I have not killfiled your addy. Same here! > I have no reason to do so. DITTO! > I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. My door is always open. I really wish that I could say the same, but I've been actually hurt way too deeply and also been shamelessly betrayed way too many times before by people, who I've trusted way too much! :( Anyway, many greetings from OLAF JUERSS a.k.a. "the almighty Mr. Oh Jay" or HOWEVER you like to call me! ;)

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Friends
by E-Media 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

I wrote myself: >> Anyway, I bet that I have even more friends in the "virtual" world, >> than you've ever had or will have in your whole life, Mr. Correa! ;) Mr. Correa replied: > Maybe so, but like that wise man once said, > quality is much more important than quantity. Fyi: Friendship can NEVER be measured in quantity, but ONLY in quality! So EVERY friend that I have in the "virtual" or in the REAL world is either A TRUE FRIEND or NO FRIEND at all! But I seriously doubt that people like you will EVER understand this, Mr. Correa! :( Sad, but true - AGAIN! :( - EM_2002

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Re: Kraftwerkfans unite!
by E-Media 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Omega Chance wrote: > I'm a member of Oh Jay's list, and I must say that all I seem to get > is the informative letters I get from Der Automat, Fyi: Der Automat also sends his messages to LOTS of other KW lists! ;) Anyway, are you really sure that you're talking about the Kraftwerkfans list, as we just had some rather interesting discussions in the past weeks on that list about KW's output etc.!? Have you missed all of that then? :o > that could be received from this list, and I'd avoid getting two in a row! Sure, some messages - like the ones from Der Automat - go to SEVERAL list, but a certain amount ONLY got posted on the Kraftwerkfans list! ;) > I'd be happy if the Kraftwerkfans list had some well-educated Kraftwerk discussions, It has, but ONLY if people would actually post something like that there! ;) It's a useless effort for one or two people to post almost ALL the messages, while the great majority just prefers to lurk around then! :o > but those that post usually have new questions that are rather tiresome to hear... Just like the "Ralf's glasses" or "Which shirt does they wear at which tour?" etc. rather pointless and uninteresting stuff here, sorry! > No offense to you, Mr. Oh Jay, but I'd much rather be at a list > where action occurs, regardless of how rude/snide the people may be. So WHY don't you and other members of the Kraftwerkfans list start some "action" there too? :o Are you afraid of me or any of the other MUCH NICER moderators then? LOL Come on and POST there RIGHT NOW, mate! ;) > I came to discuss/learn all things that are Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk-related, > not anything else. Just go there and start a topic and see what will happen, okay? GIVE IT A TRY, mate! ;) Otherwise we certainly will NEVER get anywhere! :( Go figure! - EM_2002

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FW: A note to you.
by Enrique Correa 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Oh jay, I've tried to e-mail you off list, but the e-mail was returned to me because you killfiled my addy, so I'm forwarding this to the list (I'm sorry everyone) because is the only way I know to reach you. Anyway, there you have it. Btw, don't accuse people for not e-mailing you privately when don't even let them. Just the plain facts as they say... I will leave it at that on this list. Please answer to me privately. I have not killfiled your addy. I have no reason to do so. I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. My door is always open. Have fun, Enrique Correa (a.k.a. Enrique Correa) > -----Original Message----- > From: Enrique Correa > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:35 PM > To: 'e-media_2002(a)web.de' > Subject: A note to you. > > > E-mailing you on the list or off-list makes absolutely no difference to > me. However, when you do it off list, you send an extremely rude note with > no comments other than a huge insult. Does that makes you feel better? If > you have nothing better to add off-list, I prefer not to receive anything > then, and go on the list so I can at least read a more elaborated comment > from you than "F### off ..blah blah..." . > Is it that difficult for you to say: hey, I don't agree with you on this > or that, I believe the facts would prove me right, and leave it at that, > instead of going on and on insulting and disregarding what other people > have to say? Nobody was born knowing it all, you know? Specially with > Kraftwerk. I mean, stating: "this is the plain facts" when talking about > KW is a bit ostentatious, don't you think? Karl and Wolfgang cannot get > their side of the story straight before Ralf and Florian shuts them down. > Who to believe? You? > Chill out and relax, life is too short. > E >

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Re: Kraftwerkfans unite!
by John Shilcock 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

A couple of people were saying... >> but those that post usually have new questions that are rather tiresome to hear... >Just like the "Ralf's glasses" or "Which shirt does they wear at which tour?" etc. rather pointless and uninteresting stuff here, sorry! I think that these lists should be about anything that has a link to Kraftwerk.... isn't that their purpose?. Because of the number of people on these groups it is almost certain that someone (who has the courage to speak in here!) will want to talk about something that "YOU" don't want to know about. So what... let them be... answer them on or off list.... and move on.... where's the problem? Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk

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Re: Just a(nother) thought
by E-Media 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Erik wrote: > If everyone just ignored Oh Jay's hatemongering and flaming posts > instead of falling for the bait, I think the list would be > a much more agreeable place. Sadly enough, this will NEVER happen on this list, dear Erik! :( Btw: As I've rejoined the list under my "Mr. X" pseudonym, ALL I wanted was to state some facts and to actually HELP people with some INFO, like I did with my very first postings here about the true origin of "Zehn kleine Negerlein" and the history of hip hop, but THEN people like this Amir guy came along and questioned almost EVERYTHING that I've written about it - without having ANY knowledge about THE FACTS themselves, which is what I call FLAMING and "hatemongering"! :( He NEVER really got, what I was talking about and people like Kevin found it rather amusing to expose my pseudonyms here instead of contributing ANYTHING useful to the debate! :( Sorry, but in the end, they just got what they deserved: I've completely killfiled ALL their known addresses! That's ALL I have to say to this topic finally, folks! - EM_2002 (or however you like to call me!)

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Kraftwerkfans unite!
by Rob Evans 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

>P.S.: Trolls, troublemakers, flamers and other disruptive individuals will >immediately be removed from that list! It depends what your definition of a "troll" is. I was once called one because I said I did not like the song "Computer Love", and I was immediately killfiled Rob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Kraftwerkfans unite!
by Enrique Correa 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

oh jay wrote: > A wise man once said that quality is much more important than > quantity! ;) Read my comments below... > Anyway, I bet that I have even more friends in the "virtual" world, > than you've ever had or will have in your whole life, Mr. Correa! ;) Maybe so, but like that wise man once said, quality is much more important than quantity. > You'll sadly NEVER find it out, as you've disqualified yourself to EVER > become a member of that list! Cheers to that! A great honor, indeed. >> See you around, oh jay! > Certainly NEVER on the other list, Mr. Correa! ;) Got that right! Now back to the world cup, I mean... Kraftwerk. E

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Computer Love (and goodbye to OJ)
by Pat Slade 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Hey Per, We think alike! I wouldn't say that Computer-Love and Pocket Calculator are crap, I couldn't say that about any Kraftwerk material :-) But I will agree with you on the other albums, I don't know, there's a simplicity and quietness on Ralf & Florian and Radioactivity that is just enchanting. They do, indeed, ROCK! Go Kraftwerk! pat > >Just to help you in the minority, I must say that Computer Love and Pocket >Calculator are just awful. Commercial crap with no >musical value whatsoever. Does that make me popular or what? ;) I actually >mean it! > >TEE rules. Radioactivity (the song), Antenna, Kristallo, Ruckzuck, The Man >Machine (the song), Numbers, Electric Cafe (the album).. Now, they ROCK! :D > > >Btw, Oh Jay - have you ever thought about how come the ONLY time people are >fighting in this group is when YOU are busy stating one of your opinions >about something? I'm hoping that one day you'll realize that what you may >consider FACTS is what somebody else might consider BULLSHIT. People just >have different opinions, and I suggest you learn to live with it, or you'll >end up being disliked by everybody. Think about it. Now, go have a great >life elsewhere. Peace. > > >Now, back to preparing to witness England's defeat tomorrow... *grin* > >Boing! > >Peo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Slade" <pslade99(a)hotmail.com> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 18:49 >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Computer Love. > > > > Oh no, Tour de France is better to dance to than computerlove ;-) > > > > I am also probably in the minority here, maybe, because my faves are >Ralf >& > > Florian, Radioactivity, and the Man-machine. > > > > pat > > > > > > > > > > >From: "www.network81.com" <klingklang(a)network81.com> > > >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Computer Love. > > >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:30:25 +0200 > > > > > >thats it... i love computerlove (computerliebe) > > >but i dislike tour de france... *g* > > > > > >-------------------------------------- > > >www.network81.com > > >www.arthur-brehm.de > > >www.klanghof.de > > >www.duesselklang.de > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "John Shilcock" <john(a)keepwerking.co.uk> > > >To: "KW" <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:31 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Computer Love. > > > > > > > > > > Rob Said: > > > > >It depends what your definition of a "troll" is. I was once called >one > > > > because I said I did not like the song "Computer Love", and I was > > > > immediately killfiled > > > > > > > > Erik Said: > > > > >Even though it might not make you a troll, that is indeed a very > > > > controversial opinion to hold on a Kraftwerk list. ;) > > > > > > > > And I say... > > > > No matter how hard I try... I still don't like Tour De France... :o) > > > > > > > > Now... it's just so much fun us all being different! > > > > > > > > Keep Werking > > > > John > > > > www.keepwerking.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Kraftwerk mailing list > > > > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Kraftwerk mailing list > > >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Kraftwerk mailing list > > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [Kraftwerk] drum machines
by muziknut2＠juno.com 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

>>> the "wendel" machine (other sources say "wendal") is a DRUM MACHINE, constructed by roger nichols, and i'm quite sure that this was the first device using *sampled* sounds of *real* drums. the rhythm patterns are programmable. if you listen to the mentioned steely dan album (gaucho), there is no chance to realize that it's no human drummer drumming. (the follow-up "wendel II" can be heard on donald fagen's album "the nightfly".) later on, iirc around 1982, the Linn drum machine was the first drum computer at reasonable price using samples of real drums. <<< A drum machine doesn't necessarily use the samples of real drums. Other drum machines have created analog and/or digital sounds, such as the Roland TR-808 and TR-707. The Roland TR-909 was the first to use a combination of created and sampled digital and analog sounds (the crash sound was sampled). Peace.

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