June 2002 - Kraftwerk - mailman.xmission.com

Re: [Kraftwerk] Whatever makes you happy!
by Der Automat 09 Jun '02

09 Jun '02

Georg Jajus <Georgie(a)blackbox.net> wrote: > And who tells us how look the "PLAIN FACTS" like and where we have to > find "THE TRUTH"? The truth is out there. DER AUTOMAT ®

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football...
by Per Davidson 09 Jun '02

09 Jun '02

hey.. where are all the meaningless football-discussions that are obligatory in all mailing-lists? Sweden going for gold...

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Re: Just a(nother) thought
by Der Automat 09 Jun '02

09 Jun '02

E-Media <e-media_2002(a)web.de> wrote: > Well, some people may prefer or even like it like that, but I certainly know for > sure, why I DON'T LIKE IT to be on a list WITHOUT a moderator! So, then why do you stay here yet? DER AUTOMAT ®

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Kraftwerkfans unite!
by E-Media 09 Jun '02

09 Jun '02

For all those of you, who are sick and tired of this list: Join the Kraftwerkfans list at Yahoo! groups now! It's a thousand times better than this one! Click here to join it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kraftwerkfans/join Btw: The list was founded and is currently co-moderated by a guy called Oh Jay, who knows a lot about KW and the owner is nobody else than the great Mrs. ROBOT! :) Further co-moderators are John Shilcock and Christian Claycomb. P.S.: Trolls, troublemakers, flamers and other disruptive individuals will immediately be removed from that list! Hope to see you there, Kraftwerkers! ;) - EM_2002

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: influences
by Rob Evans 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

>Another group influenced by both Pink Floyd and KW was The Rockets - Not to mention The Orb? The Kraftwerk influence is less obvious than the Floyd one but I can hear it. Rob _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Gary Numan less robotic/Prince more robotic in 1983
by Dirk Matten 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 08.06.02 14:46:18: > Per-Olof Karlsson wrote: > > > > > > > There's no wonder electronic music was much better in the 70s and 80s. The > > same can > > be said about most technology things actually.. As long as you have to be > > smart and work > > hard to produce the results, some people manage to turn out works of art, > > but when every > > pooper can do something in ten minutes, quality is long gone. This holds > > true for music, and > > also for computer hardware and software.. Sure, today's stuff is really > > advanced and can be > > used for very nice things, but the old stuff is much more intelligent in a > > way, especially the > > software. > > > > At least it's a defence for being nostalgic ;) > > ----------------- > I don't know about the software, > but yes, the music was more inventive, soulful. > > Has anybody noticed the similarity of > Gary Numan's "xxxxxxx" > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A1xkmu3egan1k > > and Prince's "1999?" > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ahc851vsjzzva > > In 1981 "KW-influenced" Numan went in a warmer direction with his music > with "Dance;" > Two years later Prince went in a more robotic direction with "1999." > > Things Prince borrowed from Numan's Dance album: > > 1. His purple theme throughout the album > 2. Computer funk synthesizers sound eerily like Numan's! > 3. Window shades effect on Numan's cover looks like the same set designer did > Prince's shades on the sleeve covers > 4. Little Red Corvette influenced by earlier Numan hit Cars from a previous lp. > > 5. Prince's background chime effects on "Critics" sounds like many of Numan's > Dance tunes, over and over. > > Numan definitely influenced Prince, and KW influenced Numan. > > amir > > > > amir > Who influenced Kraftwerk? D. Please visit http://www.elektropolis.de ______________________________________________________________________________ FreeMail in der Premiumversion! Mit mehr Speicher, mehr Leistung, mehr Erlebnis und mehr Pramie. Jetzt unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021105

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The 'other' list
by richard.marston＠eurosport.com 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

omegachance wrote: I'm a member of Oh Jay's list, and I must say that all I seem to get is the informative letters I get from Der Automat, that could be received from this list, and I'd avoid getting two in a row! No offense to you, Mr. Oh Jay, but I'd much rather be at a list where action occurs, regardless of how rude/snide the people may be. -------------------- Well I see the other list on Yahoo more as an archiving space, for (hopefully) interesting messages pinched from the xmission group, or a place to upload internet bookmark, photos, sounds.... -------------------------------------------------------- You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com

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Neonlights Europe Endless Tashchenrechner
by John Shilcock 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

Various list members have voiced their delight in Europe Endless and Neonlights. Well on the tribute CD "The Radioactive Tribute To Kraftwerk" there is a version which I can only describe as traditional Japanese ;o) The track on the CD starts as Europe Endless then moves on to Neonlights. I placed an extract on a page of my web site at www.keepwerking.co.uk/acoustic.php for those who are interested. Talking of Pocket Calculator.... also on that CD is a version of Tashchenrechner (The German version of it) performed by Dhiva (I presume a Japanese artist - there seems to be lots of web sites about her - I think ;o) ... Now she sounds as if she could push the right buttons to make me play a melody!.... Oh yes... I'm married... so that just wont do! ;o))) Yes... there's also an extract of that too at www.keepwerking.co.uk/acoustic.php Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk

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Re: What is the essentail idea behind the music of Kraftwerk, ...
by Oh Jay 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

dirki asked : > What is the essentail idea behind the music of Kraftwerk, > where they differed from all other bands. > Which musically philosophy? very common themes were turned into visionary music by kw , like "autobahn" , "radio-activity" , "t.e.e." , "showroom dummies / the robots / the model / sex object" , "neonlights" , "computerworld" , "tour de france" , "the telephone call" , "electric cafe" ( the predecessor of the i-net cafe ;-) , "expo 2000" etc. !!! ;-) i suppose that their song titles says it all !!! *G+* ;-) ( http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/communication.html - NOT by kw , but hopefully also a lil' bit interestin' !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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Re: Re: Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] Gary Numan less robotic/Prince more robotic in 1983
by Dirk Matten 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 08.06.02 15:59:51: > > What is the essentail idea behind the music of Kraftwerk, > making money! > > > where they differed from all other bands. > they had their own style...their own musical identity. > > > Which musically philosophy? > minimalistic, robotic... > musical vibrations > > regards (aus troisdorf *g*) > arthur Ralf - Synthanorma Sequenzer Master - Slave Mensch - Maschine http://www.elektropolis.de Dann lernte Dirk durch seinen EMS-Job Florian Schneider persönlich kennen und es entwickelte sich sofort ein freundschaftliches Verhältnis. Man war sich mental doch sehr nahe. Nach vielen langen Diskussionen brachte Dirk das Gespräch auch auf den Synthanorma-Sequenzer. Florian Schneider und auch Ralf Hütter lehnten ab. "Ich bin ein menschlicher Sequenzer", so Hütter. Matten: "Gegenargument: Der Generaldirektor einer Firma arbeitet ja auch nicht selber am Fließband, oder anders: Glaubst Du, daß Herr Thyssen die Thomasbirne etwa selbst ansticht?" (Conductor-Ph.) Conductor-Philosophy (engl.) ist in Amerika die umgangssprachliche Bezeichnung für eine Grundeinstellung von Komponisten gegenüber elektronischen Speicher- und Steuereinheiten. Diese Grundhaltung wird von ihnen nicht wie das Verhältnis Spieler-Instrument, sondern eher als Beziehung Dirigent (engl. conductor) -Orchester verstanden: Denn Hybride Systeme, deren Konzeption mit dem Wort "C.-Ph." charakterisiert wird, können Funktionen der Speicherung ("Partitur") , deren spätere Beeinflussung ("Interpretation") und wiederum deren Speicherung ("Reproduktion") ausführen. Max V. Mathews, der zusammen mit John R. Pierce in den Bell Telephone Laboratories praktikable "Computer Sound Synthesis Programs" (Computerprogramme zur Klangerzeugung) entwickelt hat, beschreibt seine der C.-Ph. zugrunde liegenden Vorstellungen der Arbeit mit Computern: "Der Dirigent spielt nicht persönlich jede Note einer Partitur, vielmehr beeinflusst (und kontrolliert er hoffentlich) die Art, in der die Instrumentalisten die Noten spielen. Der Computer-Ausführende sollte nicht versuchen, den gesamten Klang in Realzeit zu definieren. Vielmehr sollte der Computer eine Partitur enthalten, und der Ausführende sollte die Art beeinflussen, in welcher die Partitur gespielt wird. Seine Einflussnahme kann viel mannigfaltiger sein als jene des konventionellen Orchesterdirigenten, der in erster Linie Tempo, Lautheit und Stil kontrolliert. Er kann z.B. eine zusätzliche Stimme nach eigenem Ermessen einführen oder Bestandteile einer Stimme wie etwa deren Tonhöhen, während der Computer den Rhythmus liefert... Der Computer sollte mehr tun als nur dem Dirigenten folgen, er sollte sich auch aller Anweisungen des Dirigenten erinnern, so dass eine einmal erreichte gewünschte Aufführungsart repetiert werden kann. Darüber hinaus sollte er dem Dirigenten erlauben, jeden Teil seiner Interpretation oder der Partitur zu ändern". Aus diesen Forderungen an den Computer lassen sich neue Zusammenhänge von Komposition, Interpretation, vor allem aber Improvisation entwickeln. Einige Institute in Amerika arbeiten äußerst aktiv auf diesem zukunftsträchtigen Gebiet. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ FreeMail in der Premiumversion! Mit mehr Speicher, mehr Leistung, mehr Erlebnis und mehr Pramie. Jetzt unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021105

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