Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges. There was an Australian cutting machine produced where the winding gears could be reversed to cut records that start in the centre and finish on the outside. Sent from Samsung Mobile Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I remember the other backwards MP, didn't Tim richards sell it? Was it a list member who bought it Another thought, how is it possible to mispress backwards? Surely if it is a mispress, the whole process must have been messed up and very costly. The Mother stampers would have been all wrong. Is it possible the reverse press wasn't a mispress but intentional? A weird kind of b-side. Remember some of the old metal albums that when played backwards contained satanic messages! I'm not an expert, but my conclusion is that they may have been pressed directly from the father. As the mother stamper which is produced from the father would be in reverse to produce a regular record. Maybe someone can help explain this? From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com" <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 1:18 Subject: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Actually four versions.... There are two backwards pressings, one of the A side (2 tracks) and one of the B side (1 track)... Eternity 23: 1-sided bootleg Eterna 1: 1-sided backwards misspress, with two tracks (A side) - 1A 1 ANRETE Eterna 1: 1-sided backwards mispress, with one track (B side) - 1B 1 ANRETE Eterna 1: 2-sided with 3 tracks (confirmed) The B side reverse pressing was sold by Tim Richards (Positive Void) on ebay for £510 in September 2004, but for some reason this auction was not recorded on popsike, but I happened by chance to make a permanent note of it. The A side was sold on ebay for £259 in December 2007 (see popsike). Len ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 17:58 Subject: Re: [KLF] Madrugada Eterna versions So actually there's three versions? Eternity 23: 1-sided bootleg Eterna 1: 1-sided backwards misspress, with two tracks Eterna 1: 2-sided with 3 tracks? And yes, popsike is on heavy use too, thanks ;) Reason why I'm asking this is that I'm trying to compile revised discography. It might or might not see light some day ;) Right now, it's just a mess in excel that probably only I can decipher. If I can figure out, how to put it in user friendly and readable format to google docs example, it will be published. I'm kinda hoping to get it also user editable, so list members could also fix errors and edit it. But let's see, I'm not making any promises! -- anttil. On 25.9.2013 18:09, Tim Tim wrote:
The original Eterna 1 is a 3 tracker. One did turn up on ebay a number of years ago, and sold for £350.
http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Madrugada-Eterna-Club-Mix/release/106595
The above discogs entry is correct. Just not sure of the timings. Checkout http://www.popsike.com/ Its a great resource for ebay auction results going back years!
Over & Out
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 13:32 *Subject:* [KLF] Madrugada Eterna versions
Now that list is bit more active again, I take this opportunity to ask something.
I still haven't got clear picture of tracks in these:
Eternity 23:
5:20 Madrugada Eterna (club mix)
"Italian", allegedly Mike Dutton bootleg.
Eterna 1:
5:20 Madrugada Eterna (club mix) ?:?? Madrugada Eterna (club mix - edit)
Seems that all the versions of this that have been on ebay, on this list and discogs are 1-sided backwards misspresses.
Can someone confirm that above is true or not? And how long is Club mix edit? Are club mix versions on 23 and 1 same?
Thanks!
-- anttil.
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On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed. But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards? -- anttil.
Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know. ________________________________ From: John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)... Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?.............. HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates? For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ? Len ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know. ________________________________ From: John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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It seems so! Where did you get that? Any stories behind that? -- anttil. On 26.9.2013 17:59, Len Goody wrote:
BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)...
Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?..............
HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates?
For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ?
Len
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or
are the
grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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It was offered to list members by PVC. I was lucky enough to secure it. This must have been about 12 years ago if not longer... As to its background, I have no knowledge....best go to Tim for that. Remember it was Tim who sold one of the reverse pressings to 'hanky23' on ebay, so he may know how either came into existence. Len ________________________________ From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 16:04 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions It seems so! Where did you get that? Any stories behind that? -- anttil. On 26.9.2013 17:59, Len Goody wrote:
BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)...
Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?..............
HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates?
For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ?
Len
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 > From: antti.lavio@possu.org > To: klf@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions > > > On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote: > > > > > > > > When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the > > grooves ridges. > > From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed. > > But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, > doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be > mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards? > > -- > anttil. > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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So, This means we can expect a repress? Gr., Maarten Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 26 sep. 2013 om 18:32 heeft Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> het volgende geschreven:
It was offered to list members by PVC. I was lucky enough to secure it. This must have been about 12 years ago if not longer...
As to its background, I have no knowledge....best go to Tim for that. Remember it was Tim who sold one of the reverse pressings to 'hanky23' on ebay, so he may know how either came into existence.
Len From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 16:04 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
It seems so! Where did you get that? Any stories behind that?
-- anttil.
On 26.9.2013 17:59, Len Goody wrote:
BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)...
Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?..............
HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates?
For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ?
Len
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or
are the
grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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I think the positive plate you have is used to make the pressing plates (the mother plates if you were) and the vinyl is pressed from those and will look like the positive plate. I had similar pressing plates A&B for GUN 7" Sent from my iPhone On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:42, "Maarten Bouwes" <maarten@bouwes.nl> wrote:
So,
This means we can expect a repress?
Gr., Maarten
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 26 sep. 2013 om 18:32 heeft Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> het volgende geschreven:
It was offered to list members by PVC. I was lucky enough to secure it. This must have been about 12 years ago if not longer...
As to its background, I have no knowledge....best go to Tim for that. Remember it was Tim who sold one of the reverse pressings to 'hanky23' on ebay, so he may know how either came into existence.
Len From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 16:04 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
It seems so! Where did you get that? Any stories behind that?
-- anttil.
On 26.9.2013 17:59, Len Goody wrote:
BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)...
Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?..............
HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates?
For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ?
Len
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or
are the
grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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Now thats a rarity! Its possible that the reverse pressing was pressed up from that stamper! Do you know if Tim had the B stamper? ________________________________ From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com" <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 15:59 Subject: [KLF] Fw: Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)... Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?.............. HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates? For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ? Len ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know. ________________________________ From: John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
-- anttil.
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I don't know, sorry. Pics here... ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com>; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 21:44 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Now thats a rarity! Its possible that the reverse pressing was pressed up from that stamper! Do you know if Tim had the B stamper? ________________________________ From: Len Goody <len7@btinternet.com> To: "klf@mailman.xmission.com" <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 15:59 Subject: [KLF] Fw: Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions BTW on this topic (wow isn't the mailing list getting busy!)... Did I mention I have one of the Eterna1 stampers?.............. HOWEVER......the groove matrix number does NOT read backwards as you would expect(?), it reads as you would see it on the actual vinyl pressing so I'm a little confused :-S So....doesn't this suggest I have one of the reverse plates? For info it's the double A side plate - ETERNA 1 A1 or should it be known as '1A 1 ANRETE' ? Len ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 13:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Well then it looks like it was intentional. I suppose the next question is was it a pressing plant thing or B&J experiment? I suspect we will never know. ________________________________ From: John P <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013, 10:38 Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions Yes, if it plays from centre to outside. I was always after funny ways of cutting vinyl, or coloured vinyl etc. and my mastering engineer told me about swapping cogs around in a certain type of cutting lathe. This makes the cog which usually winds the needle across the record go the other way. You cant do it by accident.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:25:16 +0300 From: antti.lavio@possu.org To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Fw: Madrugada Eterna versions
On 26.9.2013 12:11, Jondoeclsm wrote:
When you say backwards, does it play from the centre outwards or are the grooves ridges.
From centre to outwards. Also cat# on the run-out groove are reversed.
But hence it plays correctly (from inside out) and not backwards, doesn't that mean that it has been done intentionally? If it would be mispress, wouldn't the music also be backwards?
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