Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-( These albums in there original form were wonderfully engineered and do not require "re-mastering". I am a big fan of the Cybercosis trance remixes of the KLF tunes, you guys did a really good job there, and there is major credit due! :-) But re-jigging albums that were mastered by talented engineers in major studios is not a good idea. Commercial albums that are "re-mastered" are done from the original recordings - not from MASTERED recordings. You are adding dynamic processing on top of what is already there? It just dosn't make sense. I am at a loss how you can engineer a track that has already been engineered by some of the industry's most talented people????? I salute your want for general fun as KLF fans but i in no way see how you could better Mark Stent's' work on these classic KLF albums? Sorry to be a sour puss but really wanted to make this feeble point! Please stick to what you do best i.e. remixing the KLF back cat into new and interesting versions and not attempting to better the engineering of their classic albums. Ron ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/
On 14 Jan 2008, at 21.05, Morphy wrote:
Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-(
i agree completely - thanks for expressing my opinion so well that all i need to do is "me too" it. ;) furthermore, i can't help but think that today's idea of remastering is just loss of dynamic range. --- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc oblique strategy: go outside. shut the door.
Mastering some of the "bootleg" type stuff may be helpful (ie: Waiting, some of the Vinyl Lost Sounds stuff) - but it did strike me as odd, too, that they had done only two things - and it's the two most easily-findable releases. Odd. Alas... not completely AGAINST the idea, but I am somewhat intrigued too... Why the remastering of White Room and Chill? --- micah stupak <micah@benthic.cc> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2008, at 21.05, Morphy wrote:
Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-(
i agree completely - thanks for expressing my opinion so well that all i need to do is "me too" it. ;)
furthermore, i can't help but think that today's idea of remastering is just loss of dynamic range.
--- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc oblique strategy: go outside. shut the door.
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* micah stupak <micah@benthic.cc> [ 2008-01-14 ] [ Re: [KLF] KLF Remastered by Cyborcosis ]
On 14 Jan 2008, at 21.05, Morphy wrote:
Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-(
i agree completely - thanks for expressing my opinion so well that all i need to do is "me too" it. ;)
furthermore, i can't help but think that today's idea of remastering is just loss of dynamic range.
Are you implying that isn't what most of the original mastering consisted of? (I feel a little gross saying "original" mastering, giving these latest minor remixes what they clearly see as status that they are, in kind, trying to grab.) Somebody should just go in to the used CD shops of the world and put "remastered!" stickers on all the KLF CDs. Hell, the vinyl and cassettes, too.
On 14 Jan 2008, at 22.41, Juli Mallett wrote:
* micah stupak <micah@benthic.cc> [ 2008-01-14 ] [ Re: [KLF] KLF Remastered by Cyborcosis ]
On 14 Jan 2008, at 21.05, Morphy wrote:
Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-(
i agree completely - thanks for expressing my opinion so well that all i need to do is "me too" it. ;)
furthermore, i can't help but think that today's idea of remastering is just loss of dynamic range.
Are you implying that isn't what most of the original mastering consisted of?
erm, i think i need some clarification/explication here.
(I feel a little gross saying "original" mastering, giving these latest minor remixes what they clearly see as status that they are, in kind, trying to grab.)
and the grammar/sentence structure here has me scratching my head. sorry. --- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc oblique strategy: don't be frightened of cliches
oh god... somebody needed to do it... so i did, wow big deal, if you don`t like it do it yourself oh my god its only music... We only own the original Cds of Chill out and the white room... Im not mastering from MP3...ETC whatever and good night... Anyway THEY need to do it you know bill and jimmy, THE KLF, The Jams, the clever email writers! If its crap say so what you got to loose "your virginity" Just Chill Out Gurls micah stupak <micah@benthic.cc> wrote: On 14 Jan 2008, at 22.41, Juli Mallett wrote:
* micah stupak [ 2008-01-14 ] [ Re: [KLF] KLF Remastered by Cyborcosis ]
On 14 Jan 2008, at 21.05, Morphy wrote:
Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-(
i agree completely - thanks for expressing my opinion so well that all i need to do is "me too" it. ;)
furthermore, i can't help but think that today's idea of remastering is just loss of dynamic range.
Are you implying that isn't what most of the original mastering consisted of?
erm, i think i need some clarification/explication here.
(I feel a little gross saying "original" mastering, giving these latest minor remixes what they clearly see as status that they are, in kind, trying to grab.)
and the grammar/sentence structure here has me scratching my head. sorry. --- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc oblique strategy: don't be frightened of cliches _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox.
"somebody needed to do it..." Why? I got the CD's too, they sound excellent after all these years. Plus, KLF.de did some work on the White Room Soundtrack years ago. They did not remaster them, just strengthened the otherwise weak mp3 sound. The unofficial releases/mp3's deserve some touch, I agree, but I guess at least the officially released stuff sounds like as it was intended (White Room was surely mixed in professional studios, and even if Chill Out is a "home studio recording", it sounds perfect). Where is the difference between the original sound and the remasters, not only in this case, but usually? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
LOL!! " Somebody should just go in to the used CD shops of the world and put "remastered!" stickers on all the KLF CDs. Hell, the vinyl and cassettes, too." RMStringer ################# "Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." - Author Unknown -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Juli Mallett Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:41 PM To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF Remastered by Cyborcosis * micah stupak <micah@benthic.cc> [ 2008-01-14 ] [ Re: [KLF] KLF Remastered by Cyborcosis ]
On 14 Jan 2008, at 21.05, Morphy wrote:
Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-(
i agree completely - thanks for expressing my opinion so well that all i need to do is "me too" it. ;)
furthermore, i can't help but think that today's idea of remastering is just loss of dynamic range.
Are you implying that isn't what most of the original mastering consisted of? (I feel a little gross saying "original" mastering, giving these latest minor remixes what they clearly see as status that they are, in kind, trying to grab.) Somebody should just go in to the used CD shops of the world and put "remastered!" stickers on all the KLF CDs. Hell, the vinyl and cassettes, too. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com __________ NOD32 2791 (20080114) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
To everyone unless your normal or special Its 2008 and really your moaning at us because you wish The KLF had done it Love is the only answer Love is all you need Love is everything Everything to me And should be to everyone
"These albums in there original form were wonderfully engineered and do not require "re-mastering"."
You are joking aren`t you???? they do need remastering They do need bringing up to date as they sound dated Yes from the originals God i must be thick not to know that Anyway, im not trying to better anyone.. I just wanted to do it, on a staurday afternoon in january, im inpulsive. Not for fun just a willingness to share for the sake of the music. I mastered space and waiting for the rites of Mu aswell from MP3 and there definately not good enough They will be I think you should all stick to what you do best, being compulsive collectors of everything that two people ever made and missing the "The LOVE" What am i on about love is a swearword nowadays... Anyway they needed it, yes from the originals but hmm we don`t have them, and untill bill and jimmy get it done there will be ours available Maybe this will make them do it you never know Listen to them first before you comment... Then you can actually rip it to shit Yes its wrong to master from masters oh my god what a terrible insult to The KLF I did it because i love The KLF Not because im a fan Like i love all the music we listen to and make If you really think converting them to 32bit float And gently mastering them with new technology is a bad thing, then load them into pro tools and check the mastering Its old mastering, the headroom available now is far superior. Why you think Led Zeppelin have just done it (from the originals yawn god im getting bored) All they have done is basically what i have done Just listen to them and then complain in a technical way Knowing us we will do them again one day When Bill and Jimmy send us the Originals....LOL Anyway Were going out now to put Remastered by Cyborcosis Stickers All over any KLF stuff that we find, (thx for the idea and im just about to put on boots that are too big for me , get the golden staff of Doom, and find the ring of power) for our own personal gain . Oh the Glory i feel the hate swelling within you padawan If you only knew the power of the dark side Then you would see the shadow creeping all over the world into peoples hearts Do something about that Lost Children Of Mu Your not scared are you You will be YOU WILL BE He`s coming and i don`t mean the Devil, pfft what a simple archaic idea, Can you see the demon guards stood by the dark portal outside number ten, There coming for YOU Your only chance is to Love Your only hope is people Your only strength is courage Change the world with your love today Tommorow Is Always Deep Shit But heh who remebers some minor forgotten band from 17 years ago EXCEPT YOU LOT AND US DONATE VIA PAYPAL voyeks@yahoo.co.uk I need the money for tits Lucy & Jason F**K Cyborcosis F**K Grammer F**K Rules F**K Everything "Make new rules" Lucy Maund Morphy <themorphy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-( These albums in there original form were wonderfully engineered and do not require "re-mastering". I am a big fan of the Cybercosis trance remixes of the KLF tunes, you guys did a really good job there, and there is major credit due! :-) But re-jigging albums that were mastered by talented engineers in major studios is not a good idea. Commercial albums that are "re-mastered" are done from the original recordings - not from MASTERED recordings. You are adding dynamic processing on top of what is already there? It just dosn't make sense. I am at a loss how you can engineer a track that has already been engineered by some of the industry's most talented people????? I salute your want for general fun as KLF fans but i in no way see how you could better Mark Stent's' work on these classic KLF albums? Sorry to be a sour puss but really wanted to make this feeble point! Please stick to what you do best i.e. remixing the KLF back cat into new and interesting versions and not attempting to better the engineering of their classic albums. Ron ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox.
i am also an engineer- i am sure they could be louder but there was never a quality issue on the white room cd- reloading and working on them wont 'improve' quality, you could get them louder or more 'this' or 'that'. I refer to the cds rather than replacing shelved off vinyl frequencies on old stuff etc. which could be recovered. Love is the answer- so try not to accuse or put the people commenting into brackets such as: "being compulsive collectors of everything that two people ever made" I am also sorry you feel you want the money for tits, who would they impress (my friend got his wife new tits then she cheated on him). It makes quite a good phrase though. "KLF- Remastered for tits" Duncan Maund was a bully and would be about 32 now! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucy Maund To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [KLF]The White Broom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To everyone unless your normal or special Its 2008 and really your moaning at us because you wish The KLF had done it Love is the only answer Love is all you need Love is everything Everything to me And should be to everyone
"These albums in there original form were wonderfully engineered and do not require "re-mastering"."
You are joking aren`t you???? they do need remastering They do need bringing up to date as they sound dated Yes from the originals God i must be thick not to know that Anyway, im not trying to better anyone.. I just wanted to do it, on a staurday afternoon in january, im inpulsive. Not for fun just a willingness to share for the sake of the music. I mastered space and waiting for the rites of Mu aswell from MP3 and there definately not good enough They will be I think you should all stick to what you do best, being compulsive collectors of everything that two people ever made and missing the "The LOVE" What am i on about love is a swearword nowadays... Anyway they needed it, yes from the originals but hmm we don`t have them, and untill bill and jimmy get it done there will be ours available Maybe this will make them do it you never know Listen to them first before you comment... Then you can actually rip it to shit Yes its wrong to master from masters oh my god what a terrible insult to The KLF I did it because i love The KLF Not because im a fan Like i love all the music we listen to and make If you really think converting them to 32bit float And gently mastering them with new technology is a bad thing, then load them into pro tools and check the mastering Its old mastering, the headroom available now is far superior. Why you think Led Zeppelin have just done it (from the originals yawn god im getting bored) All they have done is basically what i have done Just listen to them and then complain in a technical way Knowing us we will do them again one day When Bill and Jimmy send us the Originals....LOL Anyway Were going out now to put Remastered by Cyborcosis Stickers All over any KLF stuff that we find, (thx for the idea and im just about to put on boots that are too big for me , get the golden staff of Doom, and find the ring of power) for our own personal gain . Oh the Glory i feel the hate swelling within you padawan If you only knew the power of the dark side Then you would see the shadow creeping all over the world into peoples hearts Do something about that Lost Children Of Mu Your not scared are you You will be YOU WILL BE He`s coming and i don`t mean the Devil, pfft what a simple archaic idea, Can you see the demon guards stood by the dark portal outside number ten, There coming for YOU Your only chance is to Love Your only hope is people Your only strength is courage Change the world with your love today Tommorow Is Always Deep Shit But heh who remebers some minor forgotten band from 17 years ago EXCEPT YOU LOT AND US DONATE VIA PAYPAL voyeks@yahoo.co.uk I need the money for tits Lucy & Jason F**K Cyborcosis F**K Grammer F**K Rules F**K Everything "Make new rules" Lucy Maund Morphy <themorphy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Sorry to be a black sheep here but i am not into this concept. I work as a sound engineer by trade and this just jars with me :-( These albums in there original form were wonderfully engineered and do not require "re-mastering". I am a big fan of the Cybercosis trance remixes of the KLF tunes, you guys did a really good job there, and there is major credit due! :-) But re-jigging albums that were mastered by talented engineers in major studios is not a good idea. Commercial albums that are "re-mastered" are done from the original recordings - not from MASTERED recordings. You are adding dynamic processing on top of what is already there? It just dosn't make sense. I am at a loss how you can engineer a track that has already been engineered by some of the industry's most talented people????? I salute your want for general fun as KLF fans but i in no way see how you could better Mark Stent's' work on these classic KLF albums? Sorry to be a sour puss but really wanted to make this feeble point! Please stick to what you do best i.e. remixing the KLF back cat into new and interesting versions and not attempting to better the engineering of their classic albums. Ron ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
This was the weirdest message so far in 2008... "Remastered for tits" WTF?!? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "Once again, the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!" - Peter Puppy (Earthworm Jim)
Hiya I knew Tits would get you men talking... They sound enhanced basically Lazlo (we like how it sounds) They have been enriched by the rains in the gardens of Avalon Lucy XxX cyborcosis.org.uk Oh newish posters on the klf page --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox.
They sound enhanced basically Lazlo (we like how it sounds) They have been enriched by the rains in the gardens of Avalon
The music or the... nevermind. ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "No ice sold after 4 PM, especially 5 cent pieces." - Shop sign in Baltimore
I went ahead and downloaded the "de-mastered" White Room, and as I think most of the folks who've already commented here suspected, it's just been run through a compression plugin. Not enough that it's going to replace "Figure Of Eight" as the canonical Loudness War example on YouTube, but you can hear the loss of dynamics on "Build A Fire" (the track on the album where they're most likely to be missed). I'm not gonna bother downloading Chill Out, as that album's even less likely to be improved by this kind of pointless fiddling. Remind me again -- what exactly is supposed to be wrong with the original mastering?
Enjoy that Laz did you Lucy I went ahead and downloaded the "de-mastered" White Room, and as I think most of the folks who've already commented here suspected, it's just been run through a compression plugin. Not enough that it's going to replace "Figure Of Eight" as the canonical Loudness War example on YouTube, but you can hear the loss of dynamics on "Build A Fire" (the track on the album where they're most likely to be missed). I'm not gonna bother downloading Chill Out, as that album's even less likely to be improved by this kind of pointless fiddling. Remind me again -- what exactly is supposed to be wrong with the original mastering? _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com --------------------------------- Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good
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Can i see the Originals please, tits that is ? If it moves F**ck it, if it doesn't, kick it til it does - ive got tickets for 2 pints of larger on Sat. woo hoo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Touzimsky" <tto@klf.de> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [KLF]The White Broom
This was the weirdest message so far in 2008... "Remastered for tits" WTF?!?
..::// Thomas Touzimsky
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I've got 2 tickets to Dr Alex on the 1st of March. woo hoo0o0o!> From: blindedbythedarkness@ntlworld.com> To: klf@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:42:05 +0000> Subject: Re: [KLF]The White Broom> > > Can i see the Originals please, tits that is ?> > > If it moves F**ck it, > if it doesn't, kick it til it does - > > ive got tickets for 2 pints of larger on Sat. woo hoo> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Touzimsky" <tto@klf.de>> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:35 PM> Subject: Re: [KLF]The White Broom> > > > > > This was the weirdest message so far in 2008... "Remastered for tits" > > WTF?!?> > > > > > ..::// Thomas Touzimsky> > > > "Once again, the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands > > of justice!" - Peter Puppy (Earthworm Jim)> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > KLF mailing list> > KLF@mailman.xmission.com> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf> > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com> > _______________________________________________> KLF mailing list> KLF@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf> Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx
On 15 Jan 2008, at 18:55, Lucy Maund wrote:
If you really think converting them to 32bit float And gently mastering them with new technology is a bad thing, then load them into pro tools and check the mastering Its old mastering, the headroom available now is far superior. Why you think Led Zeppelin have just done it (from the originals yawn god im getting bored) All they have done is basically what i have done
HoHum - alas what Page did with the Zep stuff is revisit the original tapes (pre analog masters) and applied new mastering techniques to those ... that is I am afraid very different to taking mastered commercial product or even low-fi mp3 versions and then doing some digital tweaks - and please please leave the head-room alone - I personally prefer dynamic range than perceived loudness .. If you feel creative Lucy - lets have something original from you please !! s.
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