Just catching up on all the recent list activity and I noticed this thread. Don't know if any of this helps but. Back before I sold much of my KLF collection I had three variations of The White Room VHS tape. The 1st was a rather poor reproduction that was circulated through the list by Jai. pretty sure this was between 95 and 97 but perhaps Jai might remember better than I Not long after I bought two of a first generation tapes from Andy. the card sleeves and labelling to both were typically generic of the industry promo video exactly as the images Andy posted links to. If memory serves me I eventually sold one to Xavier and the other to a collector in the States. Some months later I responded to an advert in Record Collector who was advertising a lot of "Heavily Priced" items amongst the collection he was offering "The White Room Original VHS (Finished)" After asking about the items validity he told me that he had worked for Scott at Appearing and the tape had been for presentation to "German Investors" to secure distribution funding. Rather than parting with the money by post I arranged to meet him at his home (a flat in Windsor). When I got there he showed me the tape which was presented very professionally and appeared to be similar in quality as the "Waiting" and "Stadium House" tapes I had. I bought the tape and before leaving asked him if he had any other KLF items I might be interested in. He pulled out the 12" pressing plate for the original grey vinyl "It's Grim Up North". After he told me the eye-watering price he wanted for it I tried haggling the price down but he refused to budge. his only concession was to say that if I paid him his price he had a second copy of The White Room film that he would throw in. At that time I was utterly addicted to collecting KLF and knew that I simply couldn't leave without the plate and eventually buckled and paid up. When back at home I played the two Windsor tapes and Andy's promo copy and there was absolutely no difference in the content or quality of the tapes leading me to always believe that both were completely genuine. I am pretty certain that I later sold one of the tapes to Len and the other to a guy who lived in or near Luton. It is quite a while ago but from memory the sleeve to Tom's video looks the same as the ones I had from Windsor. Love Peace & Happiness Tim _____ From: klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of tom dawson Sent: 17 February 2012 13:13 To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Collection going on Ebay Holy moly.... I've stirred up a hornets nest I went to bed feeling really depressed - I have always thought of this as a genuine copy - maybe not the reported first batch from Bill Butt but a genuine copy non the less. Feeling slightly better this morning after seeing Lens comments. Anyway after careful thought I have decided to remove this from sale until we can qualify its originality. I do not want to be accused of selling anything that isn't genuine and it will distract from my other sales which definitely are the real thing. I am gong on a hunt for the original correspondence I had with the seller back in the 90's as I met up with them to exchange money and the tape. Here's what I'm thinking - maybe there was another batch made from the original master a couple of years later by the production company? I would be happy to meet with anybody who lives in the South to review and discuss. Where abouts do you live Andy? From: andrewdavidlee@gmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:09:19 +0000 To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Collection going on Ebay Hi Tom The tech to create that cover (domestically) did not exist in 1991, that's all I'm saying. I worked for Scott from '90 to '92 and I don't recognise that cover. The pics in my link are the ones that came from Bill Butt. What does the tape label look like? Andy On 16 February 2012 22:48, tom dawson wrote: > > > Hi Andy, > I'm not too sure why you think this can't be a genuine copy? > I purchased this from a promo guy in the early 90's who worked with Scott > Piering. The Appearing sticker is genuine. > Maybe he had the sleeve printed? All I know is it plays like an original > and not a copy. > > Tom > > From: andrewdavidlee@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:19:23 +0000 > To: klf@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [KLF] Collection going on Ebay > > > > That case isn't from 1991. Colour printing? Non bitmap fonts? Not from > 1991. That Appearing sticker looks too big as well. The VHS's from Bill > Butt came in a plain white card sleeve with a typewriter style label. I was > there when he delivered them. Here be pics... > _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com