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Re: [KLF] Why the "Illuminati"?
by Simon House 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

The Spencers are an Elite bloodline family. They are cousins of the Spencer-Churchills and related to the Marlborough family at Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, where Winston Churchill was born. As Elite families go, the Spencers are an important bloodline and Diana was related to countless aristocratic lines, including the Earls of Lucan. Further afield the Spencers have blood ties with many leading American families and they are distantly related to the Rockefellers. They have a long history of serving the monarch and the tradition continued with Dianas father. He was equerry to King George VI (who was married to the Queen Mother) and to Queen Elizabeth. Dianas sister, Jane, is married to Sir Robert Fellowes, the Queens Private Secretary at the time of Dianas death. Both of Dianas grandmothers, the Countess Spencer and Ruth Lady Fermoy, were inner circle members of the Queen Mothers court, as were four of her great aunts. The Spencers and the Queen Mother were very close and it was Lady Fermoy and the Queen Mother who manipulated Diana into her marriage with Prince Charles. This could be most significant when you hear about the true nature of the Queen Mother. The countdown to the marriage began when Diana met Prince Charles at Althorp while he was having a relationship with her sister Sarah, in 1977. Diana was 16, but it was three years later that the Windsors really made their move on her. With the Queen Mother and Lady Fermoy manipulating behind the scenes, she was invited to a dance at Buckingham Palace to celebrate Charles 30th birthday. Then, in July 1980, a friend of Charles, Philip de Pass, asked her to stay with them while the Prince was there. In Dianas own words, Charles was all over her and He leapt on me practically. He asked her to travel with him to Buckingham Palace the next day and an invitation followed to join the Windsors in the September at Balmoral, their residence in Scotland. Eventually Charles asked her to marry him and she accepted. I love you so much Diana said to him. Whatever love is Charles replied.23 That is such a telling statement about the Windsors and the way they bring up their children. They dont understand love because they give and receive so little. Imagine being a young child and having to line up with everyone else to shake your mothers hand when she returned from an overseas visit. That is how the Queen and Prince Philip treated Charles. Diana was a kindergarten nanny when the story of the relationship broke in the media and her life in the public eye and the constant spotlight had begun. So had her nightmare with the Windsors. Looking back, Diana could see that Charles had never been genuine in his affection for her. She realised even before the wedding that he was having a relationship with his real love, Camilla Parker-Bowles, and this continued and grew during their marriage. Charles and Camilla communicated using the code Gladys and Fred. Camilla, like the Windsors, is close to the Rothschilds and on the first anniversary of Dianas death, she was on the lonian island of Corfu enjoying the hospitality of Lord Jacob Rothschild.24 He has also spent £16 million leasing and restoring the Spencers 18th century mansion overlooking Green Park in London, close to Buckingham Palace.25 The Windsors wanted Diana to produce heirs with Spencer genes and that was all she was to them: an incubator. A week after her engagement to Charles, her bulimia began. This is an eating disorder in which you make yourself sick every time you eat food. Diana was throwing up three or four times a day and became desperately thin. As I mentioned in an earlier chapter, many victims of childhood sexual and Satanic abuse suffer from bulimia later in life. She said that the bulimia was triggered when Charles put his hand on her waist and said Oh, a bit chubby here, arent we? Bulimia is a disease of the emotions, as most diseases are, and Diana was in emotional turmoil even before the wedding. She described the attitude of Charles like this: Hed found the virgin, the sacrificial Iamb, and in a way he was obsessed with me. But it was hot and cold, hot and cold. You never knew what mood it was going to be, up and down, up and down... He was in awe of his mama, intimidated by his father, and I was always the third person in the room.26 She met her sisters and told them she couldnt go through with the marriage, especially with Camilla still on the scene, but they said she had no choice because Your face is on the tea towels and youre too late to chicken out. Before the wedding, Diana stayed at Clarence House, the London residence of the Queen Mother. When she had arrived no-one was there to welcome her, she said, it was like going to a hotel. Diana and Charles were married in St Pauls Cathedral on July 29th 1981. That morning at Clarence House she said she felt calm, deathly calm: I felt I was a lamb to the slaughter. I knew it, and I couldnt do anything about it.27 What prophetic words those would prove to be. They spent the first night of their honeymoon at the Mountbatten family estate at Broadlands in Hampshire before sailing around the Greek islands in the royal yacht Britannia (Barati). The bulimia got worse and she considered suicide, such was the scale of her unhappiness. My husband made me feel so inadequate in every possible way that each time I came up for air he pushed me down again. I hated myself so much. One of Dianas royal duties in 1982 was to represent the Queen at the funeral of Princess Grace of Monaco, another victim of Brotherhood murder when the brakes on her car failed. Princess Grace, formerly the actress Grace Kelly, ran the Monaco branch of the Order of the Solar Temple with Jean Louis Marsan, the close friend of her husband, Prince Rainier. The Windsors got what they wanted when Prince William was conceived. Diana was told that the birth had to be induced to fit in with Charles polo playing programme and the blond-haired, blue-eyed William was born on June 21st 1982, the summer solstice. Now first of all, what kind of father and husband insists that his wife and son be given needless drugs to suit his polo diary? And secondly, does anyone believe that was really the reason? The Windsors are obsessed with astrology and the esoteric arts to such an extent that the psychic-astrologer mother of an Irish friend of mine could predict with uncanny accuracy the colours the Queen and Queen Mother would be wearing every day. She was correct again and again because she knew the colours connected to each day according to esoteric law. A family so steeped in Satanism, the esoteric mysteries, and the Sun cult, induce the heir to ensure he is born on the summer solstice, when the Sun is at the peak of its power, and thats just a coincidence? No way. He was christened William (after the Black Nobility William the Conqueror) Arthur (after the Sun God symbol, King Arthur) Philip (after the Duke of Edinburgh) Louis (after Louis Mountbatten). Williams first serious girlfriend, according to the British press, was Emma Parker-Bowles, the niece of his fathers lover, Camilla. Prince Harry was born in September 1984 and Dianas usefulness to the Windsors was over. Then suddenly as Harry was born it just went bang, our marriage, the whole thing went down the drain, she told Andrew Morton.28 Diana and Charles separated in 1992 and divorced on August 28th 1996. Almost exactly a year later she was dead. Diana lived in apartments at Kensington Palace or KP as she called it. Prince Michael of Kent, the Grand Master of English Freemasonry, has his home there, also. The Brotherhood-Windsor machine attempted to destroy Dianas credibility and public esteem. A tape of an intimate telephone conversation between her and the car dealer, James Gilbey, was released through the media in 1992. On the tape Diana said that Charles was a real torture. She told Gilbey: Ill go out and conquer the world, do my bit in the way I know how and leave him behind. But despite, perhaps because of, the efforts to discredit her, Dianas popularity continued and grew. Her unique combination of a big heart, a global public profile, and an intense desire to settle a score with the Windsors, threatened the very survival of royalty. Her natural compassion and empathy with people were putting the emotionless Windsors in the shade and exposing them as out of date and irrelevant. The naive, shy 19-year-old, who was enticed into the Windsor web, was now a woman who was realising her true power and was prepared to use it. She took the issue of landmines from obscurity to the front pages across the world and she had the platform to do that with any subject she chose. To the Windsors and the Brotherhood, this lady was dangerous with a capital D. She also knew many intimate secrets of the Windsors and the establishment. She knew where the bodies were buried as they say, and she had shown in her famous interview with the BBC current affairs programme, Panorama, in November 1995, that she was prepared to reveal some of them. That interview, in which she talked of her unhappy relationship with the royal family in very forthright terms, did immense harm to the Windsors and they must have wondered what on earth she would do next. In my travels around the world I met a man who had a call from Diana in March 1997, a few months before she died. He was amazed when she said it was the Princess of Wales and he didnt believe her at first, especially when she said that she was calling from a supermarket phone in England. But Diana and this man had a mutual friend, and a close confidant of Diana told me that she often rang people from public phones, particularly from a department store in Kensingston, when she wanted to be certain the conversation would not be tapped. Diana admired this man for his wisdom and knowledge. She said she had something to reveal that would shake the world and she wanted his advice on how best to do it. He will not reveal what she told him, but when I said that I knew she was aware of the Windsors connection to global drugs trafficking, he said: Oh no, it was much worse than that. You might get an idea of what it could have been later in this chapter. Diana knew far more than people realise, as we shall also see. But that was only one level of the plot to kill Diana. At the highest level of the black magicians who control the Brotherhood networks, I have no doubt that her death had long been planned according to their ancient and deeply sick ritual. These two levels, the practical need to remove her (lower initiates) and the need for a ritual killing of the goddess Diana (highest initiates) would run side by side, exactly as they did with President Kennedy. The final sequence of events which led to her death involves, at almost every turn, a man called Mohamed Al Fayed, the Egyptian owner of Harrods, the top peoples store in Knightsbridge, London, and the father of Dodi Fayed who died in the crash with Diana. Al Fayed also owns the Ritz Hotel in Paris. This is the guy who bleats on and on about the need for truth and justice over the death of Diana and yet he would not recognise truth if it bit him on the bum. You can always tell when Mohamed Al Fayed is lying - his lips are moving. He fought a long, public, and vicious battle for control of Harrods and the House of Fraser with Tiny Rowland, the head of another Brotherhood front, Lonrho, the London-Rhodesia company, which has been responsible for so much manipulation of Africa and Africans. At one stage there was a Department of Trade and Industry inquiry into the Harrods takeover and it concluded: The lies of Mohamed Fayed and his success in gagging the press created a new fact: that lies were the truth and the truth was a lie.29 This would be a suitable epitaph for what Private Eye, the British satirical magazine and others, have dubbed: The phony pharaoh. The report also revealed that Al Fayed had lied about his family background. He had claimed to come from a wealthy Egyptian family and it was this money, he said, that he was using to buy Harrods. In fact he comes from a far from rich family and he didnt have any such money of his own. He was born on January 27th 1929 in Alexandria, the son of a school inspector. He sold Coca-Cola in the streets and later knocked on doors selling Singer sewing machines. It was an introduction to Adnan Khashoggi, now the worlds most famous arms broker, which changed his life. Khashoggi was the son of the personal physician to the King of Saudi Arabia and the Khashoggis employed Al Fayed (then Mohamed Abdel Moneim Fayed) in their business ventures. He later fell out with the Khashoggi family, apparently, and proceeded to lie his way through a stream of business deals which made him a lot of money from setting up deals for others and taking a commission. The construction company, Costain, was one of his main sources of income in the early days, but he made nothing like as much money as he claimed to be worth. See Tom Bowers book, Fayed, The Unathorised Biography, for the detailed background.30 Al Fayeds involvement with the Haiti dictator, Papa Doc, led to interest in his activities by the CIA. One CIA report on him remarked that: He strikes one as being friendly and evil at the same time.31 While he became wealthy by the standards of the rest of the population, he did not have nearly enough of his own money to buy Harrods and he used the wealth of the Sultan of Brunei, one of the richest men in the world. It was the Sultan who provided the money for Harrods and Al Fayed also acted for him in the purchase of the prestigious London hotels, the Savoy and the Dorchester. Al Fayed may act the big tycoon, but in the biggest game he is a gofer who takes orders and does as hes told. This is fascinating because we are led to believe that Mohamed Al Fayed and the Queen are on different sides and oppose each other over what happened to Diana. Funny, then, that Mohamed Al Fayed is subordinate to the Sultan of Brunei and the Queen of England is a friend of the Sultan of Brunei. She went to stay with him between September 16th and 20th in 1998.32 What is going on here? Al Fayeds most prominent sycophantic media poodle is the Daily Mirror which has acted as his personal newsletter. The Mirror made strenuous efforts to secure an interview with me in June 1998, despite my initial reluctance. But when I made my thoughts about Al Fayed known to the reporter, the article was dropped by the Editor, Piers Morgan, who personally conducts the Mirror interviews with Al Fayed. Doing as you are told by the very rich and powerful and using highly unscrupulous business methods, has proved extremely profitable for Al Fayed. He owns a fleet of bullet proof Mercedes, a £3.5 million Sikorski helicopter, a £13 million Gulfstream Jet, a £15 million yacht, The Jonikal, castles and 50,000 acres in Scotland, and expensive homes in Gstaad, New York, Dubai, Geneva, Gerona, London, Surrey and Los Angeles, all fully staffed and equipped.33 Balnagown, his Scottish castle, is close to Loch Ness. As long as he does as he is told and is useful to the Brotherhood his wealth will continue. If he doesnt - gone. They will hang him out to dry. Another418 source of income for the Fayeds, again interconnected with the Sultan of Brunei, is arms dealing. Al Fayeds former brother-in-law and Dodis uncle, Adnan Khashoggi, the infamous Saudi arms dealer and fixer, has arranged weapons sales, legal and illegal, worth multibillions of dollars. Many of the discussions for such deals take place at the Ritz Hotel in Paris owned by Mohamed Al Fayed (or the Sultan?). This is one reason why Al Fayed has the Ritz bugged to eavesdrop on his VIP guests. In fact, he has everything bugged, as well see. He is deeply involved in brokering arms sales and Dodi was often an unofficial broker for arms-for-oil deals between the Gulf states and America.34 Adnan Khashoggi is a close associate of George Bush and bankrolled part of Bushs Iran-Contra arms-for-drugs operation in the 1980s. George Bush, in turn, is a bosom buddy of the Queen and Prince Philip. Al Fayed is involved in many underground deals and plots involving events, people, and subjects that he is desperate to ensure remain secret. Certainly not a man to trust under any circumstances, in my view. I should emphasise, too, that the Islamic elite, like the Sultan of Brunei, are significant players in the Brotherhood pyramid and the Grand Lodge at Cairo is one of the most powerful secret society centres in the world. This is hardly surprising given the Brotherhoods obsession with ancient Egypt and its ritual and symbols. The reptilian bloodlines may be predominantly Aryan, but they are far from exclusively so. They work through streams within all races, the Arabs and the Jews most certainly among them. One of the predominant secret societies in the Arab world is the Order of the Mystic Shrine or the Shriners. They are connected to the Knights Templar, and the York and Scottish Rites of Freemasonry. Among their members in the United States have been President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his successor President Harry S. Trueman. There is also a Prince Hall Shrine for black members of the Brotherhood, including that self-styled spokesman for the black community in the United States, Jesse Jackson. Al Fayed has served the interests of the Brotherhood and the establishment in a number of ways while presenting an anti-establishment public profile. For instance it was he who exposed the two Conservative MPs, Neil Hamilton and Tim Smith, who were taking money to ask certain questions in the House of Commons. This is quite illegal. Al Fayed knew that this was true because he was the one giving them the money! This story did enormous harm to the Conservative Government and did much to help the Brotherhood chosen one, Tony Blair, to a landslide victory for the Labour Party at the following General Election. Al Fayed has also escaped prosecution so far for a growing number of allegations from young female members of staff at Harrods that he sexually assaulted them. His obsession with sex is legendary. One girl, 17-year-old Samantha-Jane Ramsay, said that when she complained to her supervisor that she had been groped by Al Fayed, the supervisor sighed: Another one. Al Fayed sacked her for making the complaint, as he does all those who speak out against his sexual molestation and style of business management. John Monks the general secretary of the Trades Union Congress, said that at Harrods there was A regime of fear and terror. When Samantha-Jane took her complaint to the local Marylebone Police419 Station, she said that the officer told her: Youre not the first to come to us. We have files inches high on Mr Al Fayed, but no proof. It would be your word against his.35 A file inches high of different girls making the same complaint about the same man would, I suggest, constitute rather more than No proof. But Al Fayed, the man we are told the establishment would love to crush, survives untouched. So this is just some of the background to the liar, double-dealer, sexual molester, Satanist and Sultan of Brunei frontman, who had complete control of Dianas security in the days and hours leading up to her death. I wouldnt trust him with the security of my cat. Indeed, as Tom Bower has documented, Al Fayed has ordered his hit men to shoot a cat he didnt like. Al Fayed had become close to the Spencer family through Dianas father, Earl Johnny Spencer, and stepmother Raine. He helped Johnny through financial difficulties and said he considered the Earl to be a brother.36 He had given Raine, whom Diana couldnt stand, a place on the Harrods board. Al Fayed sponsored prestigious royal events like the Royal Windsor Horse Show and polo competitions, but he especially backed the causes and charities supported by Diana. Bob Loftus, the head of security at Harrods between 1987 and 1996, told the British Channel Four programme, Dispatches, in June 1998, that he was ordered to tell Al Fayed immediately if Diana came into the store. Al Fayed would then go to the department where she was shopping and accidentally meet her. Every Christmas a green Harrods van would call at Dianas home, Kensington Palace, with gifts for her and the boys from Uncle Mohamed. When you look at the evidence, he made it his business to court the friendship of the Princess of Wales in every way possible. On June 3rd 1997, he invited her to join him for a Summer holiday at his beach-side villa in San Tropez in the south of France. On June 11th he got the breakthrough he had been working so hard for: she accepted. The following day he completed the purchase of a £15 million yacht, The Jonikal, through his Bermudan company Mohafa Shipping, and it was on this boat that Dodi and Dianas romance was soon to blossom. On July 11th Diana arrived in San Tropez with her sons, William and Harry, to stay in an eight-bedroomed luxury apartment on the ten acre Al Fayed estate on the exclusive Le Parc development. At this time, Dodi Fayed was still at his apartment in Paris with his fiancee Kelly Fisher, the American model. The 41-year-old Dodi was a gofer for his father and lived on his fathers wealth, although he had enjoyed some success in the movie industry at one time as the hands-off producer of the hit British film Chariots Of Fire, again thanks to his fathers money. He had a playboy reputation and was a very big spender, once famously running up a $100,000 bill in two months on his Amex card. He was dominated by his father and even in his film operation every decision had to be approved by Al Fayed. Dodi did whatever his father told him to do. He had been engaged to Kelly Fisher for eight months and she was expecting to spend her holiday on The Jonikal. But on the evening of July 14th, Dodi took a phone call from his father who ordered him to go immediately to San Tropez to be with Diana. Kelly Fisher described what happened next in an interview with the Dispatches programme:420 (Dodi) said he was going to London and hed be back and then we were going to San Tropez. That evening he didnt call me and I finally got him on his portable phone. I said Dodi where are you? and he said he was in London. I said OK, Ill call you right back at your apartment. He said No, no, dont call me back. So I said Dodi where are you? and he admitted he was in the South of France. His father had asked him to come down and not bring me, I know now. Two days later Dodi sent a private plane to fly Kelly to San Tropez. But while he stayed with Diana, Kelly was kept aboard another Fayed boat. Im sitting here stuck she said. So he had me in my little boat cage and he was, I know now, seducing Diana. On July 31st, Diana returned to San Tropez for a second holiday with Dodi, this time alone. Kelly Fisher was back in Los Angeles preparing for her wedding to Dodi which she said was due to take place on August 9th. But two days before that, the story broke in the world media of the romance between Dodi and Diana. Kelly heard from a friend who saw a picture in the paper. 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Re: [KLF] Why the "Illuminati"?
by Simon House 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

i think it was extremely important that they did, whether the meant anything with it or not is another thing, but its a shame it didn't inspire people to go out and stop the evil bastards ruling the world and who are about to send 'us' into war, rather than chit chatting on the net! >From: "John Milne" <Highlandland(a)btopenworld.com> >Reply-To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: [KLF] Why the "Illuminati"? >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:00:34 -0000 > >Something I've been ruminating over for a long time ... > >How do people on this list feel about Drummond and Cauty appropriating some >of the "Illuminati" imagery in their work, particularly at the very >beginning and the end of their recording careers? Isn't it the unfortunate >case that these sort of images and reference points can sometimes be open >to >misinterpretation (or be used by extremely nasty people)? When the KLF >were >on TOTP in 1991, even Anthea Turner mentioned that they looked "like The Ku >Klux Klan". It was merely a crass short-hand description of their druidic >outfits, of course. But I wondered what the views of other people on the >list are? > >John > >Not Scots, just Scott-ish > > >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059

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Re: Why the Illuminati?
by John Milne 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

> they were > actual references to existing stories and ideas (the JAMM, the > wickerman on jura, etc etc) Wicker Man on Summerisle, surely! ;-) Interested to note Robert Rankin uses the "23" reference. I've read a couple of his books, although sometimes the in-jokes (if you haven't read all his works) can be a bit off-putting. I often wonder if there are similar discussions on Douglas Adams lists about the number "42"? Picked completely at random by the sci-fi satirist, of course - but it has grown to achieve larger proportions since it first appeared in his work. Anyone know what number Fox Mulder lives at in the "X-Files" ...? Oh, and of course, I was not going along in any way with Anthea Turner's description of the KLF (particularly, as has been pointed out, since Wanda Dee and Ricardo Da Force were there on stage, and Tony Thorpe was just about to release those wonderful remixes). John "... the chances of finding out what really is going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say hang the sense of it and just keep yourself occupied" - Slartibartfast, "Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy" radio series.

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RE: Why Illuminati?
by jb004a8797＠blueyonder.co.uk 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Personally I think it was just to piss off a lot of people. I think that all of B&J's actions were designed to make you think about what they were doing. I'm curious about what everybody thinks about the 1992 Brits. Why commit career suicide and kill it and then perform AMERICA on TOTP a month later. "We're the future, YOU'RE FUTURE!" J.Lydon, 1977

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Hard Day's Night Remixed by Jimmy Cauty
by John Milne 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Sorry to send everyone on a mad goose chase. My memories of the CD I saw are distinct, and are as laid out in a previous post. However, it was all nearly ten years ago, so time may have confused the issue. If pressed though, at gunpoint, knifepoint and ever powerpoint, I would still claim I'd seen a track with the suffix "Live at Trancentral" mentioned on the back of a Beatles interview disc. Of course, to the actual musical content of the CD, I cannot comment. John Not making things up, just providing information.

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Re: [KLF] Hard Day's Night remixed by Jimmy Cauty
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

> spotted amongst the many, many, > MANY Beatles bootleg CDs they seemed to have (no music, just interview discs > and all the rest) a CD featuring a track called "XXXXXXX (Live at > Trancentral)". > This would have probably been around about 1993, Being a Beatles connoisseur myself I have to say I've never heard of this track, but then again I never pay attention to interview cds. I've checked the Beatles bootleg resources and found nothing for Trancentral or Transcentral. I asked the Beatles newsgroup and someone reminds me that McCartney's first Fireman CD, which came out in 1993, features three tracks with Tranc or Trans in the title. But with it's solid red cover I doubt this would be confused with a Beatles interview disc. I'll keep poking around. -paul Currently in rotation: Sparks - Lil Beethoven (really, the best album I've heard in years), KLF - various

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TEST
by RMStringer 18 Mar '03

18 Mar '03

This is a test. RMStringer ************************** "Rationalization is giving a socially acceptable reason for socially unacceptable behavior, and socially unacceptable behavior is a form of insanity". BB - Pg 550 -----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ben May Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:28 PM To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] OT: the wonders that bush has wrought upon US foreign relations. This just crossed the AP newswire: U.S., Russia Delay Nuclear Weapons Treaty By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 3:57 p.m. ET MOSCOW (AP) -- Russian lawmakers postponed indefinitely a vote Tuesday to ratify a U.S.-Russian nuclear arms treaty, as the parliament speaker warned that a war against Iraq could endanger the pact. The treaty, agreed to last May by Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Bush, requires that the two nations cut their strategic nuclear arsenals by about two-thirds, to 1,700 to 2,200 deployed warheads each, by 2012. The treaty was seen as more advantageous to Russia than the now-defunct START II agreement, which specifically banned Russia from deploying land-based missiles with multiple warheads. The new deal would leave it to each nation to decide which weapons it will scrap. That would let Russia keep its Soviet-built multiwarhead SS-18 and SS-19 missiles at the core of its nuclear arsenal. Russia's lower house, the State Duma, had been expected to take up debate on the treaty Friday. But the Duma Council, which sets the legislative agenda, put off the vote indefinitely and did not set a new date. ``We consider ratification very important, but now this step is not justified,'' said Sergei Shishkaryov, the deputy chairman of the Duma's international affairs committee. He added that ``in essence, we are standing on the threshold of World War III.'' The U.S. Senate unanimously approved the treaty earlier this month, a move widely seen as part of a diplomatic effort to win Russian support for a tougher line against Iraq. But Russia opposed a U.S.-backed draft resolution at the U.N. Security Council threatening the use of force against Iraq. President Bush has abandoned diplomatic efforts at the United Nations and given Saddam Hussein until Wednesday night to leave the country or face war. ``In the event of an American strike on Iraq the fate of the entire treaty will be in question,'' Gennady Seleznyov, speaker of the Duma, said during a visit to the Czech capital, Prague. ``The Americans are striking at international law,'' he said, according to the Interfax news agency. Tuesday's postponement reflected the ambivalence of post-Cold War Russian-U.S. relations. Washington and Moscow have pursued closer ties, but the Kremlin bridles at what it regards as a U.S. penchant for unilateral action, such as its withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty. Some Russian lawmakers lashed out at the United States over Iraq. ``Let them know there is a serious nuclear power that will really provide for the security of the entire world community and will never allow itself to act by the laws of the jungle,'' Interfax quoted Seleznyov as saying. Other lawmakers cautioned their colleagues against making rash decisions that could imperil the nuclear treaty and strain the overall U.S.-Russian relationship. Sergei Mironov, the speaker of Russia's upper house of parliament, called the decision to put off ratification a mistake. ``This treaty plays an important strategic role for both Russia and the United States,'' Mironov said, according to the Interfax-Military news agency reported. ------- So now not only are we not living a brave new world where the US and russia don't need treaties, but we're living in one where they HAVE no treaties AND are pissed at one another over an impending military conflict. Fucking wonderful... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb

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Re: [KLF] Re: Best of compilations
by winston cousier 18 Mar '03

18 Mar '03

Dear John Milne, Could you please copy a CD for me, off all the songs listed. Always been a big fan of the KLF. Thank you, very much! Yours sincerely, Winston Cousier. whattimeislove(a)hotmail.com >From: "John Milne" <Highlandland(a)btopenworld.com> >Reply-To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: [KLF] Re: Best of compilations >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:04:24 -0000 > >I have a CDR for for the car stereo, that has the following track listing. >This is also the CDR I tend to copy for people who are interested in the >KLF: > >(1) Bill and Jimmy talking about "The White Room" (extract) >(2) What Time is Love? (KLF4T b-side mix) >(3) 3 AM Eternal (Original Edit) >(4) The Lover's Side ("White Room" edit) >(5) Go to Sleep ("White Room" remastered edit) >(6) Trance Kylie Express >(7) Uptight (Banana 2000 Mix) >(8) Madrugada Eterna (Club Mix) >(9) What Time is Love? (Power Mix Edit) >(10) 3 AM Eternal (Live at the Brits with ENT) >(11) Last Train to Trancentral (Razormaid Mix edit) >(12) Make it Rain ("Mu" CD version) >(13) Justified and Ancient (Anti-Capella Mix) >(14) January What Time is Love? >(15) K Sera Sera (War is Over if You Want It) >(16) Fuck the Millenium (Different Project Remix) >(17) It's Grim Up North (Omsk Mix) > >I suppose it's basically a singles collection (ish), ignores almost all the >JAMs stuff and their remix work, and is in rather boring chronological >order. However, my favourite Drummond and Cauty period is probably from >KLF4T to KLF4X, late '88 to mid '90, when projects and ideas where thrown >out like fireworks, and very few ignited! IMHO, as far as driving is >concerned, you can't get much better than "The White Room" soundtrack. >Plus, of course, it's one of musical histories great "what if"s ... > >Now, where's that copy of "Smile" ... > >John > >Not Scots, just Scott-ish > > >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059

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Years and year and years
by John Milne 18 Mar '03

18 Mar '03

Hi, all. I saw the "(Live at Trancentral)" Beatles track in the Virgin Megastore in Dundee in the first few weeks it opened (when the shop seemed to have every CD under the sun!) That means it would have been about October 1993. It was definitely near enough a decade ago. I don't think it was the "Hard Day's Night" track - it might have been one of the "Live at the Hollywood Bowl" ones, thinking out loud. Anyway, it DEFINITELY existed, and it was NOT infected by the Scourge of the Earth. It was live at Trancentral. It was an extra track on an interview disc. And it was from 1993. John Not Scots, just Scott-ish

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RE: [KLF] Hard Day's Night remixed by Jimmy Cauty
by James Parker 18 Mar '03

18 Mar '03

i thought the SOTE remix was not years & years & years, but more years or years & years? What?? have you been smoking? ------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are CONFIDENTIAL and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you should not read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail or any attachment(s). Please also e-mail, telephone or fax us immediately and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. E-mail may be susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment, and we do not accept liability for any such corruption, interception or amendment or the consequences thereof. Please note that any views expressed in this email may be those of the originator and do not necessarily reflect those of this organisation. ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________ This OUTBOUND message from Frontline Limited has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service.

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