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Re: [KLF] LAST IRONING BOARD TO TRANCENTRAL [OT]
by KLF- gyerek 12 Sep '03

12 Sep '03

>i like simon house as his name is very close to a fictional character >called >'Simon Horse' who my friend gavin made up, so to see him posting is great. Nice. But can Gavin do something about OUR Simon as well? He seems too real. > > 20 Reasons why the official version of 9/11 is a lie But then, why just 20 reasons, why not 23? Even it's OT at least he'd been stuck with the Discordian stuff. Dear Simon. Please be nice to us poor sobbing, narrow-minded beings and spread the word somewhere else. You are too wise for us, You see? We don't deserve You. Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeeeeeeee! "I'm confused It's funny, But I'm not amused I'd fight the system But what's the use It's fire resistant And waterproof" (Carter USM: My Defeatist Attitude) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Contract On The World Love Jam
by Martin Bradbury 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

I sick of this shit about the fucking war, US Goverment and Conspiracys. We'll be arguing about the KG fucking B next. Nobody reply to this shit, don't congest the list with this shit. You don't have to prove to me that the USA is a fucking world cunt. Everybody, hold hands, declare peace and with One Loud Voice Scream FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKERS

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Re: [KLF] LAST IRONING BOARD TO TRANCENTRAL
by Simon House 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

shit! Its gone from spreading the word of freedom to ironing! (it is shit though aint it!?). Anyhow back to the original point! What can everyone do to help the future not be so shit as it will be the way we are going? I think everyone who read what i put before (+ i've enclosed it again), seriously everyone check it out and make an effort to talk to someone about it who wouldnt already know, thats the only positive thing i can see to do with this info, I think thats as important as non violent direct action which some of you may or may not be involved in already. 20 Reasons why the official version of 9/11 is a lie 20) When September 11th prior knowledge broke in the mainstream media, around May 2002, most of it focused on the use of planes as bombs and whether or not intelligence agencies had considered this method of attack. Although the coverage was a whitewash in itself, it can easily be proven that authorities knew terrorists were likely to use airliners as bombs. Once this is known, those that gave press conferences denying the jetliners as bombs foreknowledge, such as Condoleeza Rice, George Tenet and George Bush, can be exposed as outright liars. In October 2000, the Pentagon conducted a series of simulations (pictured) designed to test the response to a commercial airliner crashing into their headquarters, as took place on September 11th. The CIA, on the very morning of September 11th, was also conducting a mock exercise where a plane crashes into its headquarters. The US was warned in 1995 of a plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. The plan was named Project Bojinka and was uncovered by Phillipine authorities. It originated with Ramzi Yousef (pictured), one of the masterminds of the first WTC bombing in 1993. The information was passed on to the FBI who totally ignored it. U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July that Islamic terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations. They went so far as to mount anti-aircraft guns at the city's airport. The Echelon spy network also gave British and German intelligence clear information that terrorists were going to hijack commercial planes and use them to attack symbols of American culture. Sources - MDW US Military Website - Associated Press - CNN - Newsmax - LA Times - Biz Report 19) If a freshman school kid knew about the imminent September 11th attack, then how on earth could the biggest intelligence agencies in the world not know? On September 6 five days before the attack Antoinette DiLorenzo, who teaches English as a second language to a class of Pakistani immigrants, led a class discussion about world events. She asked a freshman (his name has been withheld): What are you looking at? The youth was peering out the third floor window toward lower Manhattan. After he made the remark about the World Trade Center not being there next week, the teacher didnt immediately think much of it, though it stuck in her mind. Note that the remark does not just broadly state that the towerswill be attacked, but specifically that they will disappear. This is just one of numerous smoking guns to suggest that the Muslim community across the world was aware of the terrorist attack. Islamic calendars (pictured) circulated last year depicting a plane crashing into lower Manhattan. The plot was even the subject of everyday street gossip in Cairo Egypt in August 2001. Everybody knew. Are we to believe the most sophisticated intelligence agencies in the world didn't? Sources - MSNBC - September 11 News.com - Newsmax 18) Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency warned the CIA and the FBI in August 2001 that terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden were planning large scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets of commerce and military, to take place imminently. The CIA completely ignored the warning despite the fact that it correlated with similar urgent warnings from a multitude of other sources. Source - London Telegraph 17) A-29-year old Iranian deportee phoned US police from his German cell to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center. The Lower Saxony Justice Ministry has confirmed the man warned of the impending series of terrorist attacks, but had not been believed. They refused to confirm exactly when the calls were made, but it was before September 11th. This is another example of how virtually the entire Arab world was aware of the fact that the WTC had been targeted for immediate destruction. Again, US authorities refused to follow up on the information. Source - Ananova 16) Delmart Edward Mike Vreeland, an American citizen whose claims to being a US Naval Lieutenant assigned to the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) are being increasingly corroborated in open court, has been in a Canadian jail since December 6, 2000. On August 11 or 12 of 2001, the date is uncertain, after trying to verbally alert his Canadian jailers to the coming World Trade Center attacks, he wrote down key information and sealed it in an envelope which he then had placed in jailers custody. This event is not disputed by Canadian authorities. The letter specifically listed a number of targets including The Sears Towers, The World Trade Center, The White House, The Pentagon, The World Trade Center, The White House, The Pentagon, The World Bank, The Canadian parliament building in Ottawa and the Royal Bank in Toronto. A chilling sentence follows the list of targets, Let one happen. Stop the rest!!! Vreeland obtained this information while conducting clandestine work in Moscow. The Russian government and FSB were also aware of the information, This is why, prior to September 11, Russian media and officials encouraged citizens to cash out U.S. dollars pending an economic collapse there after an "attack." Sources - From the Wilderness Publications - Newsmax 15) Clinton security chiefs repeatedly rejected vital intelligence that would have resulted in stifling numerous worldwide terror cells, primarily Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. The government of Sudan offered to both arrest bin Laden or at least closely monitor his activities within the country, and turn over files, some an inch and a half thick, a vast database on bin Laden and more than 200 leading members of his al-Qaeda network. Clinton's Secretary of State Madeleine Albright responded to the offer by giving the order for US missiles to blast the al-Shifa medicine factory, which supplied 60 per cent of Sudan's medicines, and had contracts to make vaccines with the UN. The resources Clinton rejected would have entailed that "we probably would have never seen a September 11." Sources - London Observer - LA Times 14) The US Justice Department, from March 2001 onwards, made a series of arrests of Israelis. It later transpired that these were Mossad agents and had prior knowledge of the September 11th attacks. Many of these spies were suspected of being tasked with the logistics of preparing the September 11 attacks. If the Justice Department (headquarters pictured) arrested spies with prior knowledge of 9/11 in March 2001, then the Justice Department also had prior knowledge of 9/11 in March 2001. Another Israeli link concerns the instant messaging company, Odigo. Two hours before Flight 11 crashed into the north tower, two employees at Odigo received text messages stating that an attack on the World Trade Center was about to occur. Nothing was done. Sources - Al Bawaba - Fox News - Washington Post 13) Were there in fact any hijackers at all? In the days following September 11th, the FBI released a list of the 19 hijackers. At least four of these hijackers are still alive. Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri (top right) was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco. He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports. Other so called 'suicide hijackers' who have come forward to protest their innocence (being alive is a good enough alibi) are Abdulaziz Al Omari (bottom right), Saeed Alghamdi (top left) and Khalid Al Midhar (bottom left). Even the lead hijacker's father says he speaks to his son often. Mohammed el-Amir Atta, father of Mohammad Atta, stated, "My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that." Sources - BBC - London Guardian 12) Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat. Brown awoke on September 11th to scenes of the WTC on fire and obviously his flight was cancelled. Who exactly warned Mayor Willie Brown and why didn't the people on the hijacked planes get the same warning? Brown refuses to comment any further on the subject. Source - San Francisco Chronicle 11) A Moroccan Secret Service agent successfully infiltrated Al-Qaeda for 2 months before the 9/11 attacks. Hassan Dabou broke cover in the Summer of 2001 to warn his bosses that the terror group was plotting something spectacular in New York. The operation was to be large scale and would occur in the summer or autumn of 2001. Secret service chiefs are said to have taken seriously the tip from one of its veteran informants and immediately passed on the details to Washington. Source - London Times 10) The National Security Agency intercepted two messages on September 10th indicating a significant event was to take place the next day. The messages were in Arabic and stated "tomorrow is zero hour" and "the match begins tomorrow." The NSA claimed they didn't have any details regarding the origin or location of these messages, yet, as James Bamford has reported, years ago the NSA had cracked both Al-Qaeda's and Osama bin Laden's encrypted communications technology. Furthermore, the NSA stated "You know how many times we hear things much more serious than that? Lots of times." They claimed the intercepts were of no significance. If this was the case, then why did the FBI begin threatening Senators for information as to who leaked the story? Source - Reuters 9) Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi were two of the hijackers aboard Flight 77 that slammed into the Pentagon. Upon leaving Malaysia, Almihdhar and Alhazmi went to San Diego, where they took flight-school lessons. In September 2000, the two moved into the home of a Muslim man who had befriended them at the local Islamic Center. The FBI confirms that this man was an asset of theirs. He was a room mate of the hijackers. Almihdhar and Alhazmi had already been linked with the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen by CIA analysts. Why on earth didn't the CIA and FBI tap their agent for information on these terrorists prior to September 11? Source - Newsweek 8) A pivotal player in the Clinton impeachment proceedings was David Schippers, investigative counsel for the House Judiciary Committee. Schippers was responsible for all investigations under the impeachment inquiry. Before September 11th, Schippers represented a group of FBI agents who were seething because they had been pulled off terrorism related investigations by their superiors. The agents told Schippers that there was going to be a massive attack on lower Manhattan by the end of the year. Schippers frantically tried to arrange a meeting with Attorney General John Ashcroft right up until a month before the attack. Ashcroft made it clear to his underlings that he was not interested in the information and Schippers was rebuffed again and again. Source: David Schippers interview on 'The Alex Jones Show' - 10th October 2001 - read the transcript here - listen to the interview here. 7) On the morning of September 11, the CIA was running a drill which centred around the scenario of planes crashing into government buildings. In yet another 'extraordinary coincidence' the CIA said that the operation had been planned for months but was cancelled as soon as the 'real' attack unfolded. This so-called drill was likely used to get NORAD to stand down. When it was announced that the planes had been hijacked word would have come down that it was just a CIA drill and not to respond. The existence of this 'drill' was released and watered down to prevent the whole truth coming out later. Source - Associated Press 6) Pakistan ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad instructed Ahmad Umar Sheikh to hotwire $100,000 to the 9/11 lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta. On September 11th, Ahmad was a guest of former clandestine CIA officer and CFR member Rep. Porter Goss and Skull and Bones/CFR member Senator Bob Graham. Since September 4th, he had met with top brass at the CIA, the Pentagon and the White House, including Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, Joseph Biden and George Tenet. Condoleezza Rice lied in a May 16th 2002 press conference when she claimed ignorance of Ahmad's visit and the $100,000 transfer. Ahmad had already resigned from the ISI and the FBI had confirmed the circumstances behind this. Rice stated "I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me." What was the money man behind the terrorists doing in the halls of the US government before, during and after 9/11? This is just one example of the firm alliance running through the CIA, which in turn controls the ISI, which in turn controls Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Sources - Times of India - Global Research 5) Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the impending attack on September 10th, and cancelled their flights for the next day. This confirms that these officials knew both the locations of the imminent attack and the method of using jetliners as bombs. "On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns." "NEWSWEEK has learned that while U.S. intelligence received no specific warning, the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill." Sources - Newsweek September 24th - Newsweek September 13th 4) A record number of 'put' options, speculation that the stock of a company will fall, were placed on American and United Airlines in the days preceding September 11th. This despite a September 10th Reuters report stating 'airline stocks set to fly.' Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. The investigation as to which criminals benefited from advance knowledge of the terrorist attack led straight to Alex Brown/Deutsche Bank - chaired up until 1997 by executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard. Sources - London Independent - From the Wilderness Publications 3) From July 4th-14th 2001, Osama bin Laden was being treated for kidney infection at the American Hospital, Dubai, United Arab Emirates. There, on multiple occasions, he met with CIA station Chief Larry Mitchell. Bin Laden gave Mitchell 'precise information' regarding 'an imminent attack' on the US. Bin Laden also met with numerous members of his family, who left the US by chartered flights after September 11th with the full blessings of the US government. A 2000 Clinton presidential executive order was still in effect and mandated that bin Laden should have been killed on the spot. Bin Laden was allowed to leave of his own free will. Sources - Washington Times - London Evening Standard 2) A leaked FBI document, 199I WF213589, outlined disgust at a Bush administration directive that succeeded in blocking anti-terrorism investigations related to the bin Laden family and Saudi charities that were front groups for Al-Qaeda. Bush ordered the FBI to "back off" Abdullah bin Laden and the World Association of Muslim Youth, a known terror smokescreen outfit. In their own education pamphlets, WAMY extol the virtues and ideals of Osama bin Laden. Bush ensured they were protected prior to September 11th. Special FBI Agent Robert Wright later testified that he had been threatened to discontinue his anti-terrorist investigations under the same program. Another startling revelation in the same reports concerned the American Visa Bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Its former head, Michael Springman, was ordered to issue visas to Al-Qaeda members so they could participate in terrorist training run by Osama bin Laden and the CIA. Sources - BBC - Times of India - United Press International - Michael Springman Interview 1) Andrews Air Force Base is only ten miles from the Pentagon. Air defense around Washington is provided mainly by fighter planes from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland near the District of Columbia border. The D.C. Air National Guard is also based there and equipped with F-16 fighter planes. In a blatant reversal of Standard Operating Procedure, the Air Force, via willful negligence, is given stand down orders not to intercept Flight 77, which will subsequently hit the Pentagon. Flight 77 is known by NORAD to have been hijacked by 8:50am. Yet it is a full 48 minutes until any fighters are scrambled, as two leave Langley AFB just two minutes before Flight 77 hits the Pentagon at 9:40am. Andrews AFB had two combat ready squadrons that would have intercepted Flight 77 had they been allowed to leave upon confirmation of its hijacking. It is Standard Operating Procedure to intercept all air traffic that fails to respond to radio calls immediately. This was the case with the golfer Payne Stewart's chartered Lear Jet that crashed in October 1999. F-16 Fighters (without the need of a Presidential mandate) had intercepted the aircraft within 21 minutes. This represents wilful coordinated negligence between the FAA, NORAD, the Pentagon (who also track all air traffic) and President Bush, who as this was all unfolding, was reading a book about a pet goat to a group of schoolchildren. TREASON. Emperors New Clothes - Vision TV - The War on Freedom by Nafeez Ahmed _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

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Re: [KLF] Fwd: THE STORY OUR GOVERMENT DIDNT WANT US TO KNOW!!!PLEASE FORWARD!!
by Simon House 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

WHAT PART OF 'PEODOPHILIA AND DEATH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE KLF' DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?' YOU OBVIOUSLY AINT THE CONVERTED SO YOU NEED TELLING! > >What part of "Doesn't belong on this list" don't you understand? You can >argue the point all you want but when it comes down to it the fact remains >that >there are more appropriate places to post this stuff. If any of us have an >interest in this stuff we can and will seek it out in more relevant forums. >Hell, there's a link to one such group at the bottom of the post! > >And why are you posting from two different email addresses? > >-paul > >Currently in rotation: Frank Zappa - Cheap Thrills / Son of Cheep Thrills; >Enigma - Voyager (advance); Apollo 440 - Dude Descending a Staicase > >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Re: Re: [KLF] Fwd: THE STORY OUR GOVERMENT DIDNT WANT US TO KNOW!!!PLEASE FORWARD!!
by thomas＠klf.de 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

> On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 01:00 pm, italkshite wrote: > > WHAT PART OF 'PEODOPHILIA AND DEATH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE KLF' > > DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?' > > that's blasphemy, surely - nothing is more important than the KLF Yes. And if not in real life, then at least on a KLF MAILING LIST for god's sake. If you want to go on posting random conspiracy postings, why don't you set up your own mailing list so everyone who gives a damn fuck about it can sign on ? Geez, and I am not even on working temperature yet...

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Re: black smoke 911 mp3
by our.webstuff＠verizon.net 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

that black smoke 911 mp3 is similar to the Un-E.N.R.O.N project "Crusade", an EP of 3 songs that was online a year or a year and a half ago (before the most recent and ongoing illegal iraq invasion and massacre) - and would've been broadcast until BBC so-called "standards and practices" heard it if anyone's interested I can upload it to RMStringer's FTP (although I've had problems uploading stuff there) or another FTP site it's about 21megs, 3 mp3 files

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Re: [KLF] Fwd: THE STORY OUR GOVERMENT DIDNT WANT US TO KNOW!!!PLEASE FORWARD!!
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

> WHAT PART OF 'PEODOPHILIA AND DEATH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE KLF' DONT YOU > UNDERSTAND?' YOU OBVIOUSLY AINT THE CONVERTED SO YOU NEED TELLING! I never said that and this isn't an answer to either of my questions. So, why are you posting from two different email addresses? And if you feel it so important why are you posting your message to a list of 30 music fans and not standing on the street corner handing out flyers? Picketing local government offices? Building a website to "reveal the truth"? Writing articles to local magazines and newspapers? You scream about taking action but you really aren't doing anything, are you? All talk, no action, and pointing fingers at everyone else to do something. Now there's pathetic. -paul Currently in rotation: Frank Zappa - Cheap Thrills / Son of Cheep Thrills; Enigma - Voyager (advance); Apollo 440 - Dude Descending a Staicase

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wikipedia.
by gene.c 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

jonathan wakely writes .That would be a great idea, although it might need a full time editor to sit there and keep deleting the conspiracy theory crap that it would no doubt be inundated with. narrow minded sad miserable moaning petty jobsworth,u sad git .get a life.just get of your moaning fat arse and do it.omg a conspiracey theorist may send in a post not to do with the main subject,call the press,drop the bomb,turn the world to reverse. lol i just cant beleive how petty some people on this list are.it amazes me. ps .im still looking for a 3rd class blacksmoke stamp of mass destruction.if any1 knows of 1 plz let me know.i may treat you all to a photo of the 2 i already have,they are delicious ,a feast for the eyes and mind. dont be sad ,be real!

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FAQ Question: Who are Blacksmoke?
by say.map＠ihug.co.nz 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

FAQ Question: Who are Blacksmoke? -- This is the webmail account of Stuart Young, Michelle Ardern & Felix Ardern-Young (2) 42B, Sefton Ave, Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Phone: +64 (0)9 376 8100 say.map(a)ihug.co.nz Stuey is webmaster of the NZ Green Party: http://www.greens.org.nz/ And webmaster of his own personal website - a cobweb site: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/

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Re: RE: [KLF] FAQ Question: Who are Blacksmoke?
by thomas＠klf.de 11 Sep '03

11 Sep '03

> Ah, Keir - the ex Black Dog/808 State Manager, and owner of feedback.com. Ah, now that would explain why Kompressor (ex-808 State) did a remix of Gimpo Gimpo. Thanks for the info. :-)

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