Hey, did Paul get CVS access? Paul, were you able to compile the branch with VC++ 2005 Express? I did put some tweaks in there to get everything to compile with no warnings on the Express edition. I haven't put a copy of VS.NET 2003 Academic Edition in the mail for you yet, but its coming... -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard, Many thanks for updating me on progress and sending the disk. No. I do not have access. Tim gave me ftp access but I could not find any files in the directories. This is all that I found: \ | | --------------- | | logs Maildir (empty) | | -------------------------- | | | cur new tmp (empty) (empty) (empty) I have been struggling with VC++ 2005 Express as some of my old applications have difficulty with basic stdio routines. I suspect that even after doing the three steps: Step 1: Install Visual C++ Express. Step 2: Install the Microsoft Platform SDK. Step 3: Update the Visual C++ directories in the Projects and Solutions section in the Options dialog box. That there may be some header files missing. I must admit that I have not spent too much more time on this as I started a diploma in counselling this year and spend a fair bit of time on assignments and classes. But my enthusiasm for FRACTINT is still as strong as ever. I'm sorry that I haven't given as much time to testing as I would like to. Let's see how we go from here. Good on you for the vast effort you have put in so far. Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:33 PM To: fractdev@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Fractdev] Paul? Hey, did Paul get CVS access? Paul, were you able to compile the branch with VC++ 2005 Express? I did put some tweaks in there to get everything to compile with no warnings on the Express edition. I haven't put a copy of VS.NET 2003 Academic Edition in the mail for you yet, but its coming...
In article <E1HP96R-0003F0-RA@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
No. I do not have access.
Do you have an account on dreamhost? That's all it takes to have CVS access, I think. You probably need to get putty/pageant configured properly in order to get going.
Tim gave me ftp access but I could not find any files in the directories.
Hmm. I never tried ftp access until now and yeah, there's nothing useful there. Did you try logging into bazooka.dreamhost.com using the same credentials and the plain-old telnet command in Windows? Do Start / Run... / telnet.exe bazooka.dreamhost.com Then login using your credentials. Does that work?
I have been struggling with VC++ 2005 Express as some of my old applications have difficulty with basic stdio routines.
stdio should be included with the compiler, although they have things set by default to whine about "deprecated" stdio routines that use unsafe buffer pointers that are susceptible to buffer overrun attacks. I made some changes to the fractint source to disable these warnings on Win32. I don't think the suggested replacement routines are ANSI C yet, but I think MS might be making a proposal to the standards bodies in that regard.
I suspect that even after doing the three steps:
Step 1: Install Visual C++ Express. Step 2: Install the Microsoft Platform SDK. Step 3: Update the Visual C++ directories in the Projects and Solutions section in the Options dialog box.
That there may be some header files missing.
The Express 2005 edition doesn't include ATL or MFC. If you are trying to compile MFC code, then you should wait until the Academic 2003 edition to compile that. FractInt doesn't use any MFC or ATL code, so its got no troubles with this arrangement. What you describe above should be all you need to get non-MFC Win32 programs to compile. VC++ comes with the necessary header files to compile programs written for ANSI C and C++. The Platform SDK gives you the necessary headers and libraries for compiling programs using the Win32 API. MFC is a client library on top of Win32 for writing GUI applications. ATL is a template library on top of Win32 and C++ for writing COM object implementations. WTL is a template library on top of Win32 and C++ for writing Win32 GUI applications and ends up providing the same level of abstraction as MFC without the code bloat of MFC's monolithic library style. WTL was inspired by the ability of ATL to create COM object implementations that were small and efficient. In some cases *very* small. You can create useful 8-16K ActiveX controls in C++ with ATL, if you're careful. WTL is an open source project on SourcForge now: <http://wtl.sourceforge.net> but was originally released by Microsoft as a downloadable SDK. Currently WinFract uses raw Win32 for the GUI elements that it has. If it ends up being me that brings that WinFract code over to FractInt for Windows, then I would probably do it using WTL. Currently FractInt is written in C and has no C++ code. However, we're using the C++ compiler so there isn't any reason to avoid C++ at this point. One area where C++ provides some leverage for FractInt is in writing native GUIs for the different platforms. Classes are a really good abstraction for UI control hierarchies. We're a ways away from writing native GUIs for FractInt for various platforms, but its on the roadmap. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard,
No. I do not have access.
Do you have an account on dreamhost? That's all it takes to have CVS access, I think. You probably need to get putty/pageant configured properly in order to get going.
I'm not sure that I know what putty/pageant is... Sorry about my ignorance.
Tim gave me ftp access but I could not find any files in the directories.
Hmm. I never tried ftp access until now and yeah, there's nothing useful there. Did you try logging into bazooka.dreamhost.com using the same credentials and the plain-old telnet command in Windows?
Do Start / Run... / telnet.exe bazooka.dreamhost.com
Then login using your credentials. Does that work?
I get the same results as I do for ftp... Empty directories.... See attached file telnet.gif.
I have been struggling with VC++ 2005 Express as some of my old applications have difficulty with basic stdio routines.
stdio should be included with the compiler, although they have things set by default to whine about "deprecated" stdio routines that use unsafe buffer pointers that are susceptible to buffer overrun attacks. I made some changes to the fractint source to disable these warnings on Win32. I don't think the suggested replacement routines are ANSI C yet, but I think MS might be making a proposal to the standards bodies in that regard.
Great :o)
I suspect that even after doing the three steps:
Step 1: Install Visual C++ Express. Step 2: Install the Microsoft Platform SDK. Step 3: Update the Visual C++ directories in the Projects and Solutions section in the Options dialog box.
That there may be some header files missing.
The Express 2005 edition doesn't include ATL or MFC. If you are trying to compile MFC code, then you should wait until the Academic 2003 edition to compile that. FractInt doesn't use any MFC or ATL code, so its got no troubles with this arrangement.
What you describe above should be all you need to get non-MFC Win32 programs to compile. VC++ comes with the necessary header files to compile programs written for ANSI C and C++. The Platform SDK gives you the necessary headers and libraries for compiling programs using the Win32 API.
MFC is a client library on top of Win32 for writing GUI applications. ATL is a template library on top of Win32 and C++ for writing COM object implementations. WTL is a template library on top of Win32 and C++ for writing Win32 GUI applications and ends up providing the same level of abstraction as MFC without the code bloat of MFC's monolithic library style. WTL was inspired by the ability of ATL to create COM object implementations that were small and efficient. In some cases *very* small. You can create useful 8-16K ActiveX controls in C++ with ATL, if you're careful.
No I wasn't using MFC.... Things are never as easy as they seem :o) Best regards, Paul.
In article <E1HPGAm-00087E-M7@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Do you have an account on dreamhost? That's all it takes to have CVS access, I think. You probably need to get putty/pageant configured properly in order to get going.
I'm not sure that I know what putty/pageant is... Sorry about my ignorance.
OK, here's how things work: your machine <--> TortoiseCVS <--> secure shell <--> bazooka.dreamhost.com In order for CVS to work securely over the network, it uses a secure shell connection to the remote host. In your case, you'll use TortoiseCVS as the client on your machine to open the secure shell connection for the CVS commands like "checkout", "diff", "commit", etc. The secure shell is setup by means of a public/private key pair. You keep the private key on your machine (some people prefer to keep them on a USB drive that's on their keyring if they want to keep their private key physically secure). The public key is placed in a file on bazooka.dreamhost.com so that bazooka can authenticate that incoming connections are really coming from you and not a bad guy. Its safe to spread the public key around. Noone can imitate you without having your private key, which you keep secure. putty is a secure shell client for Windows. It contains a few utility programs for creating and maintaining public/private key pairs. You use putty to create your private/public key pair and put the public key on bazooka in $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys. Your public key is placed in this file to allow the secure shell on bazooka to find it and authenticate the incoming remote connection from your Windows machine. The whole point of the authentication process is to 1) provide a secure connection that's protected with encryption and 2) provide a means for you to execute shell commands on the remote machine without having to provide login credentials for each command. So putty is a secure shell connection with some public/private key pair utilities. What's pageant? Well, the way that you get to use your private key in this exchange is by entering the pass phrase used to generate the private key. Its best for this pass phrase to be a fairly long text string in order to provide lots of bits for seeding the key generation algorithm. However, typing long pass phrases on each CVS command is a pain. Pageant is a utility that runs in the background and (conceptually) answers the pass phrase request each time you interact with CVS. So where does Pageant get the pass phrase? When you run pageant you point it at a private key file and it prompts you once for the pass phrase to authenticate your use of the key. You enter the pass phrase and then pageant runs in the background for you to authenticate each outgoing connection to bazooka. (Or any other machine so long as it has access to your public key.) In my case I put pageant in my Startup group so that it launches every time I login to Windows. I enter my pass phrase once and leave pageant running and then I can do all my CVS operations just as if everything were stored locally on my machine.
Do Start / Run... / telnet.exe bazooka.dreamhost.com
Then login using your credentials. Does that work?
I get the same results as I do for ftp.
Yes, it puts you in your home directory when you login. However, you can see other people's home directories from the shell, while the ftp connection only lets you see your directory. I just wanted to validate that you can establish a login to bazooka. Regarding compiling your stdio code if you post the errors I can probably help you out. Did you get my earlier email on 01-Feb-07 about setting up CVS? Here it is again: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:17:39 -0700 To: "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> cc: "'Jonathan Osuch'" <osuchj@avalon.net>, twegner@swbell.net From: Richard <legalize@xmission.com> Organ: multi-cellular, biological Subject: Re: DreamHost Shell Account Activated Re: Your message of Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:42:10 +1100. <016a01c74628$4e762430$0301a8c0@Production> --------- In article <016a01c74628$4e762430$0301a8c0@Production>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes: > I got into the site using ftp, but there's nothing there. All folders are > empty. How do I access the copy of FRACTINT source? What do I do there? :) External distributions of source, i.e. when there is a released version of fractint, have previously been made available as compressed source archives (ZIP files usually). During active development however, we use CVS. Are you familiar with CVS? If not, there is documentation here: <http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.11.22/cvs.html> On Windows, most people use CVS through an integrated Windows shell extension called TortoiseCVS <http://www.tortoisecvs.org/>. Its what I use and I gather its also what Jonathan and Tim use as well. If you download TortoiseCVS, then you don't need to download/install CVS separately, but it can be useful to occasionally refer to that documentation link above anyway. I have a version of this printed out and I occasionally get it out to do something obscure, but most of the time I just work from Tortoise without any problems. TortoiseCVS (and CVS, too) work with a secured shell connection to the machine that contains the source code repository. (The repository holds all revisions of the source files and other information necessary for managing the versions.) The repository is on bazooka.dreamhost.com, so you need to get things setup so that you can invoke a secure shell command to that host. In order to do that, you need to setup an SSH2 key (SSH1 keys won't work) so that you can authenticate yourself to the remote machine. When you invoke a CVS operation, it will invoke SSH to do the operation and authentication. I use pageant to authenticate me automatically so that I don't have to keep typing my pass phrase/password every time I do a CVS operation. You can get pageant here: <http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty-0.59-installer.exe> and more information about pageant/putty is available here: <http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html> In summary, do the following: 1. download and install putty 0.59 2. download and install TortoiseCVS 3. create a private/public key pair with puttygen 4. Keep the private key somewhere on your machine in a secure location 5. Upload the public key (*NOT* the private key) to your account on bazooka.dreamhost.com: i) create a folder .ssh if it doesn't exist ii) create the authorized_keys file in that directory and add your key to it as one long line (use cat or vi) 6. Use putty to connect to dreamhost for the first time through SSH. This will put a "host fingerprint" on your local machine. This only happens the first time, but you need to do that first for CVS to work. Now you should be all setup to use CVS and checkout source code from bazooka. Go to some folder and context menu in the Windows shell. You should see an item on the menu that says "CVS checkout...". I use the following CVSROOT on that dialog: :ext:legalize@bazooka.dreamhost.com:/home/twegner/fractint/fractcvs The combo boxes below the CVSROOT textbox let you compose the pieces individually: Protocol Secure shell (:ext:) Server bazooka.dreamhost.com Repository folder /home/twegner/fractint/fractcvs User name pdeleeuw Module fractint Once you get this working, you will have checked out the HEAD. To checkout the branch, do the CVS checkout as above, but on the Revision tab select the "Choose branch or tag" radio button and enter the name of the branch. (The Update list... button usually gets you a list of branch/tag names but sometimes it doesn't.) I'm working on the branch named rt-refactor-device. That ought to keep you busy for a while :-) -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Oh my God Richard, This is complicated. All I wanted was the FRACTINT source to play with..... That is the cost of progress :o) This will keep me off the streets. Thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 1:01 AM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul? Did you get my earlier email on 01-Feb-07 about setting up CVS? Here it is again: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:17:39 -0700 To: "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> cc: "'Jonathan Osuch'" <osuchj@avalon.net>, twegner@swbell.net From: Richard <legalize@xmission.com> Organ: multi-cellular, biological Subject: Re: DreamHost Shell Account Activated Re: Your message of Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:42:10 +1100. <016a01c74628$4e762430$0301a8c0@Production> --------- No! I could not find this one.
In article <E1HPMqQ-0001iK-Er@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Oh my God Richard,
This is complicated. All I wanted was the FRACTINT source to play with..... That is the cost of progress :o)
LOL. You only need to do this once, but its the cost of CVS access. Once you set this up, all you need to remember is to start pageant and enter your private key pass phrase. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Richard, I have used the source control S/W on a DEC system, but I have not known the specifics for how the popular CVS system works on a Windows/UNIX client/server basis. I have always wanted to see a concise description of CVS in this environment of a practical nature and at a level that I could understand. Thanks for providing this. - Hal Lane ######################### # hallane@earthlink.net <mailto:hallane@earthlink.net> # #########################
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OK, here's how things work:
your machine <--> TortoiseCVS <--> secure shell <--> bazooka.dreamhost.com
etc.
-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/07
Hi Richard, I'm stuck on step 5 below. How do I get to bazooka.dreamhost.com? We'll get there.... Eventually :o) Many thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 1:01 AM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul? I use pageant to authenticate me automatically so that I don't have to keep typing my pass phrase/password every time I do a CVS operation. You can get pageant here: <http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty-0.59-installer.exe> and more information about pageant/putty is available here: <http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html> In summary, do the following: 1. download and install putty 0.59 2. download and install TortoiseCVS 3. create a private/public key pair with puttygen 4. Keep the private key somewhere on your machine in a secure location 5. Upload the public key (*NOT* the private key) to your account on bazooka.dreamhost.com: i) create a folder .ssh if it doesn't exist ii) create the authorized_keys file in that directory and add your key to it as one long line (use cat or vi) 6. Use putty to connect to dreamhost for the first time through SSH. This will put a "host fingerprint" on your local machine. This only happens the first time, but you need to do that first for CVS to work. Now you should be all setup to use CVS and checkout source code from bazooka. Go to some folder and context menu in the Windows shell. You should see an item on the menu that says "CVS checkout...".
In article <E1HT4ha-00047h-Br@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
I'm stuck on step 5 below. How do I get to bazooka.dreamhost.com?
5. Upload the public key (*NOT* the private key) to your account on bazooka.dreamhost.com: i) create a folder .ssh if it doesn't exist ii) create the authorized_keys file in that directory and add your key to it as one long line (use cat or vi)
You can either FTP a text file containing your public key to your account on bazooka, or you can create it with a text editor after you've logged into bazooka. Its probably easiest to create the file on your local machine and then FTP the file to bazooka. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard, Sorry, I'm a bit dense today.... How do I get on to bazooka? Many thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 12:25 PM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul? You can either FTP a text file containing your public key to your account on bazooka, or you can create it with a text editor after you've logged into bazooka. Its probably easiest to create the file on your local machine and then FTP the file to bazooka. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
Many thanks Tim, Paul :o) ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=telstra.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=telstra.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Wegner Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 1:22 PM To: fractdev@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Fractdev] Paul? Paul wrote:
Sorry, I'm a bit dense today.... How do I get on to bazooka?
I'll give you a hand with this tomorrow if you still need it. Turning in now. Tim _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
Hi Richard, I am still struggling a bit. How do I get Visual C++ Express to build the fractint code. I have been trying to get the compiler to recognise the make file, but it keeps telling me that it is corrupt. Am I doing something silly? A little help would be great. Many thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
In article <E1I6btk-0007ou-J1@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
I am still struggling a bit. How do I get Visual C++ Express to build the fractint code. [...]
First, don't use the Makefile, that's only for Unix. Second, open the fractint.sln file via the File menu. Since you have the Express edition, it will complain about not being able to load the setup project. You can safely ignore this as you won't be building the setup. Also, the current code on the branch has a "legacy" project added to the solution, which also won't load for you. You can safely ignore that as well -- its a placeholder I use to refer to the locally checked out copy of the DOS code on my machine. That should leave three projects that load: - fractint - hc - unused The "unused" project is a collection of all the code files for the DOS, WinFract and unix versions that aren't used in the Windows version. Again, this is just for easy reference while I work on the code. Eventually the legacy and unused projects and their associated files will be removed entirely. The "hc" project is the help compiler. The "fractint" project is the Win32 code. In order to compile the Win32 code, you will need to install the headers and libraries in the Platform SDK, as we discussed earlier on the list. Without this, you won't have the Win32 headers and libraries in order to compile the Win32 specific portions of the code. After installing the Platform SDK, you need to adjust the Tools / Options in Visual C++ Express Edition to search the Platform SDK directories for headers and libraries. This is described in the ReadMe.txt file. After the one-time installation and configuration of the PSDK, you should be able to compile the code just by building the solution. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard,
Second, open the fractint.sln file via the File menu.
Yes that makes sense except that I can't find the .sln files. I used the CVS process to download the fractint files, but I'm not sure that I have the correct ones. We wil get there :o) Many thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 12:59 PM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul?
In article <E1I6eL4-0003ux-Bf@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Second, open the fractint.sln file via the File menu.
Yes that makes sense except that I can't find the .sln files. I used the CVS process to download the fractint files, but I'm not sure that I have the correct ones. We wil get there :o)
CVS or SVN? We switched to SVN some time ago... The top-level directory has a fractint.sln file in it. If you don't see that, you're probably looking at the head (i.e. DOS code) and not the branch. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard,
CVS or SVN? We switched to SVN some time ago...
Oh dear... I was away interstate traioning for a while. I keep losing track of progress. I am still using CVS.... This is getting hard :o) Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- CVS or SVN? We switched to SVN some time ago...
In article <E1I6etb-0006c4-HR@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Hi Richard,
CVS or SVN? We switched to SVN some time ago...
Oh dear... I was away interstate traioning for a while. I keep losing track of progress. I am still using CVS....
This is getting hard :o)
Also, to give you an idea of where we are heading, it looks roughly like this: - refactor to classes with unit tests => This is currently ongoing. - refactor polling input to event-driven input => I'm starting on this and have made some progress so far. - refactor to wxWidgets for the UI => This will involve writing a "CGA window" control for wxWidgets. Eventually the existing CGA text screens will be replaced with an updated UI, but its best to keep a working system and a CGA window will be the shortest path to a working wxWidgets based UI. However, once we get to this point, it means that things like file selection (save image, load image, load formula file, etc.) can start being done with native dialogs instead of the homebrew DOS-based file browser. Since one of the things you talked about earlier was bringing your iteration colormap ideas into fractint (which I like), you might try your hand at bringing up a version of your colormap editor dialog as a wxWidgets dialog. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard, I am happy to help here. Do you havge a link for wxWidgets? How do I develop it while I can't get FRACTINT to work? Sorry I'm such a pain the in the butt :o) Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 2:19 PM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul? In article <E1I6etb-0006c4-HR@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Hi Richard,
CVS or SVN? We switched to SVN some time ago...
Oh dear... I was away interstate traioning for a while. I keep losing track of progress. I am still using CVS....
This is getting hard :o)
Also, to give you an idea of where we are heading, it looks roughly like this: - refactor to classes with unit tests => This is currently ongoing. - refactor polling input to event-driven input => I'm starting on this and have made some progress so far. - refactor to wxWidgets for the UI => This will involve writing a "CGA window" control for wxWidgets. Eventually the existing CGA text screens will be replaced with an updated UI, but its best to keep a working system and a CGA window will be the shortest path to a working wxWidgets based UI. However, once we get to this point, it means that things like file selection (save image, load image, load formula file, etc.) can start being done with native dialogs instead of the homebrew DOS-based file browser. Since one of the things you talked about earlier was bringing your iteration colormap ideas into fractint (which I like), you might try your hand at bringing up a version of your colormap editor dialog as a wxWidgets dialog. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
By the way Richard, What are the advantages of wxWidgets over the standard dialogue boxes that come with the development environment? Are you interested in any of the palette generation code? Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
I am happy to help here. Do you havge a link for wxWidgets? How do I develop it while I can't get FRACTINT to work? Sorry I'm such a pain the in the butt :o)
Since one of the things you talked about earlier was bringing your iteration colormap ideas into fractint (which I like), you might try your hand at bringing up a version of your colormap editor dialog as a wxWidgets dialog. --
Paul asked:
What are the advantages of wxWidgets over the standard dialogue boxes that come with the development environment?
Wxwidgets is implemented on a number of environments, so that if one uses it exclusively, the your program will compile on various platforms (e.g. Linux, Mac, as well as Windows). Of course this depends on your not using any other windows calls. Also, wxwidgets uses a fairly high level of abstraction, so within it's feature set, less coding is needed to achieve a particular effect. On the other hand, if what you want to do isn't supported, then you have to do lower level coding anyway. Disclaimer - I don't pretend to actually KNOW anything about this topic :-) Tim
In article <468F5CD8.14671.3876F4@twegner.swbell.net>, "Tim Wegner" <twegner@swbell.net> writes:
Also, wxwidgets uses a fairly high level of abstraction, so within it's feature set, less coding is needed to achieve a particular effect. On the other hand, if what you want to do isn't supported, then you have to do lower level coding anyway.
I think for Paul's palette editor he'd just need to code a custom dialog, which isn't very hard. Paul, there's a book on wxWidgets that will help tremendously. I've purchased a copy and I recommend it if you like to absorb a large body of code by reading a printed book instead of reading online help files. See here: <http://www.wxwidgets.org/docs/book/index.htm> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
In article <E1I6z6P-0002vi-2c@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
What are the advantages of wxWidgets over the standard dialogue boxes that come with the development environment?
The Express edition of VS.NET doesn't include ATL/WTL or MFC, so you have no support for dealing with Win32 UI code at a class level. You only have access to the raw Win32 C function API and even then, only if you install the Platform SDK and configure it. However, dealing with dialog boxes and so-on through the raw Win32 API is very tedious and error-prone. Furthermore, the work you do on any dialog is only going to work on Win32 and you must recode the dialog again to have it work on the X11 code. wxWidgets wraps its own class API around the existing platform support, whether that platform is GTK on unix/X11 or Win32 on Windows. You write a single set of code that uses the underlying UI facilities on either platform. So wxWidgets *does* use the standard Win32 dialog boxes and so-on on Win32 and it uses the standard GTK dialogs on unix/X11.
Are you interested in any of the palette generation code?
Yes. By the time fractint is running on wxWidgets, it will be a good time to incorporate your palette editing dialog and its coloring mechanism. That's why I say it would be useful to have you prototype a palette editing dialog in wxWdigets that utilizes your algorithms. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
In article <E1I6yyq-0002Va-SS@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
I am happy to help here. Do you havge a link for wxWidgets? How do I develop it while I can't get FRACTINT to work?
<http://www.wxwidgets.org> I haven't tried compiling wxWidgets with the Express edition, but it should be possible once you have the Platform SDK installed and configured. Basically, for any kind of Windows code beyond a console application you will need the Platfrom SDK in order to compile stuff with the Express edition of VS.NET. Once you have the PSDK installed and configured, FractInt will compile. If you can't compile FractInt, then you haven't installed the PSDK and/or configured it properly yet. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard,
I haven't tried compiling wxWidgets with the Express edition, but it should be possible once you have the Platform SDK installed and configured.
I will download wxWidgets and add it to ManpWIN. I think that it will help me understand it better because I am familiar with ManpWIN's code. Once I complete the port, I can let you have a look at it. It should be a simple metter of merging the code. I will try to make it as satnd alone as possible. Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
In article <E1I7GSq-0000Vn-QH@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
I haven't tried compiling wxWidgets with the Express edition, but it should be possible once you have the Platform SDK installed and configured.
I will download wxWidgets and add it to ManpWIN. [...]
If that's what's easiest for you, go for it :). There's lots of sample code in the wxWidgets distribution and the online documentation is complete. Take a look at the guides for VC++ out on the wxWidgets wiki as well. That should take care of any compilation issues you might have. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard, Talk about steep learning curve. But I will firstly convert colour.c to colour.cpp and create a true colour class. Then I will spend heaps of time trying to learn wxWidgets and then see if I can merge the two. This may take some time, but I would like to contribute something of value :o). Thanks for all your efforts. Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2007 7:01 AM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul? In article <E1I7GSq-0000Vn-QH@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
I haven't tried compiling wxWidgets with the Express edition, but it should be possible once you have the Platform SDK installed and configured.
I will download wxWidgets and add it to ManpWIN. [...]
If that's what's easiest for you, go for it :). There's lots of sample code in the wxWidgets distribution and the online documentation is complete. Take a look at the guides for VC++ out on the wxWidgets wiki as well. That should take care of any compilation issues you might have. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
In article <E1I87KT-0000vQ-1a@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Talk about steep learning curve.
Well, isn't ManPWin already using MFC? wxWidgets is all the same concepts as MFC and there's even an MFC porting guide. If you're familiar with one windowing UI toolkit, you're familiar with the general business in all of them, IMO.
But I will firstly convert colour.c to colour.cpp and create a true colour class. Then I will spend heaps of time trying to learn wxWidgets and then see if I can merge the two. This may take some time, but I would like to contribute something of value :o).
As I continue to rework the FractInt code, I always keep an eye out for how to generalize the existing coloring mechanisms. I want formula support for coloring and RGBA output for coloring. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard,
Well, isn't ManPWin already using MFC? wxWidgets is all the same concepts as MFC and there's even an MFC porting guide. If you're familiar with one windowing UI toolkit, you're familiar with the general business in all of them, IMO.
No, It is basically a reworked 32 bit version of Fractint 18.2. I don't like MFC. Somehow I just get lost in it. In fact the colour.cpp module is the first bit of code in C++, the rest is still in C. I prefer C as I can see what is happening. Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
In article <E1I8J2y-0001rU-RM@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
No, It is basically a reworked 32 bit version of Fractint 18.2. I don't like MFC. Somehow I just get lost in it. In fact the colour.cpp module is the first bit of code in C++, the rest is still in C. I prefer C as I can see what is happening.
I've done Win32 UI dialogs and whatnot by hand in C++ and the raw Win32 API and I've done them using frameworks (whether its MFC, wxWidgets or the .NET Framework). Once you learn a framework, its *much* easier and productive to make new UI with the framework than doing it by hand. I've read a book on MFC and I've used it. For whatever reason, MFC doesn't "stick" to my brain. Every time I use it, I need to get the book out again and re-read chapters. However, wxWidgets doesn't feel that way to me. It seems more straightforward and easier to use than MFC. So ignore the MFC porting guide. However, I think that learning wxWidgets from the book that's been published feels easier than trying to learn it from the online documentation. The documentation is basically OK for a reference, but not so good as something to learn from. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Thanks Richard,
However, I think that learning wxWidgets from the book that's been published feels easier than trying to learn it from the online documentation. The documentation is basically OK for a reference, but not so good as something to learn from.
I am getting a bit overwhelmed. I still haven't gotten past the CVS -> SVN change. I still haven't been able to build Fractint and I struggle with 2005 C++. Now there's the learning of wxWidgets. There's so much to learn. Maybe we should define exactly what it is that you want me to develop. So far, I have converted colour.c to colour1.c (basic colour routines that aren't really about true colour (24bit) generation), and colour.cpp which is about true colour generation and basic operations. I am trying to build a stub wxWidgets app that will allow me to call these routines and bring up the colour dialogue box to modify the true colour parameters. Is this what you are expecting? Let me know. I want us to work together without too much duplication of effort. Thanks Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
In article <E1I8Jza-00032T-N0@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
I am getting a bit overwhelmed.
Just take it one step at a time, then.
I still haven't gotten past the CVS -> SVN change. I still haven't been able to build Fractint and I struggle with 2005 C++.
Concentrate on this first. Any wxWidgets based contributions will be later down the road; I was just talking about that to give you a 'heads up' on the way things are headed.
Maybe we should define exactly what it is that you want me to develop.
Let's pick that discussion back up after you've gotten your environment working and are following more closely what I'm doing on the branch.
Is this what you are expecting? Let me know. I want us to work together without too much duplication of effort.
There's plenty enough to do without worrying about that for some time :-). -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Richard,
I still haven't gotten past the CVS -> SVN change. I still haven't been able to build Fractint and I struggle with 2005 C++.
Concentrate on this first. Any wxWidgets based contributions will be later down the road; I was just talking about that to give you a 'heads up' on the way things are headed.
OK, please tell me about SVN. How do I go about it? I can build a small program that will create the colour dialogue box and use the functions by just copying the sample programs. I'm almost there :o) Thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
In article <E1I8Kmq-00049b-Jd@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
OK, please tell me about SVN. How do I go about it?
IIRC, you'll need to coordinate with Tim on this; its very similar to the CVS setup. You get the TortoiseSVN client and then connect to the subversion repository and do a checkout. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
Hi Friends, I have seen too many emails lately. Is anyone still doing much on FRACTINT? I have been absorbing more and more FRACTINT functionality into ManpWIN, but it is slow and tedious. Seeya, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ----------------------------------------------------------
Paul de Leeuw wrote:
Is anyone still doing much on FRACTINT?
I believe things have slowed down quite a bit these days. Would be nice to be able to do some of those 3-D images in FractInt like those found at: http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html
I have been absorbing more and more FRACTINT functionality into ManpWIN, but it is slow and tedious.
Have you got a new working version available for download?? Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
Hi Lee, I am always playing with it and adding bits and pieces. I tried to convert FRACTINT code but it is so convoluted with too many globals that I didn't understand and many very large routines that seemed to lack modularity. I understand that much of this was done for speed. I haven't worried too much about speed, as most of us have fairly high speed machines by now. I decided to get a core working on win32 and gradually carrying functionality across, while still exploring my own bits and pieces. My favourite bit is Fourier Analysis. It's a lot of fun. Here is the setup file. http://www.deleeuw.com.au/download/SetupManpWIN.exe The source code is dreadful, but you are welcome to it if you like. I have converted my bits to C++. Yes, the 3D mandelbrots look amazing, but I suspect that they require a lot of rendering software to achieve the amazing effects we see in these images. Thanks for relying. Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 10:15 AM To: fractdev@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Is anything happening? Paul de Leeuw wrote:
Is anyone still doing much on FRACTINT?
I believe things have slowed down quite a bit these days. Would be nice to be able to do some of those 3-D images in FractInt like those found at: http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html
I have been absorbing more and more FRACTINT functionality into ManpWIN, but it is slow and tedious.
Have you got a new working version available for download?? Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/ _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
Paul,
I have seen too many emails lately. Is anyone still doing much on FRACTINT? I have been absorbing more and more FRACTINT functionality into ManpWIN, but it is slow and tedious.
Things have been slow. I did commit some minor changes in late September. When I updated to Kubuntu 9.10, the subversion interface broke. I had wanted to start another branch for an attempt at porting to SDL. It would be easier using the Xfractint source, but I've started getting the tools together for doing it in Windows. Other interests keep getting in the way. Jonathan
Thanks for the advice Jonathan, I will keep squirreling along the path that I have been following. I am not using any special tools or add on libraries to keep my code pretty standard. I have enough trouble understanding Windoze APIs without adding more complications :o) By the way if anyone is actually thinking about downloading ManpWIN, I am about to load a new version of ManpWin in an hour or so that improves palette handling and adds another fractal. It also has few bug fixes. http://www.deleeuw.com.au/download/SetupManpWIN.exe Thanks Guys, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Osuch Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 11:55 AM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Is anything happening? Paul,
I have seen too many emails lately. Is anyone still doing much on FRACTINT? I have been absorbing more and more FRACTINT functionality into ManpWIN, but it is slow and tedious.
Things have been slow. I did commit some minor changes in late September. When I updated to Kubuntu 9.10, the subversion interface broke. I had wanted to start another branch for an attempt at porting to SDL. It would be easier using the Xfractint source, but I've started getting the tools together for doing it in Windows. Other interests keep getting in the way. Jonathan _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
Hi Richard, Have yo had a chance to put the VS.NET 2003 Academic Edition in the mail yet? Rather than mucking about with the express edition, I would like to set up a new environment. I will be away for all of May in Queensland doing a live-in course and was hoping to have a play with it before I go away. No pressure, just asking how things are going. Many thanks, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:33 PM To: fractdev@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Fractdev] Paul? I haven't put a copy of VS.NET 2003 Academic Edition in the mail for you yet, but its coming...
In article <E1Hc8OT-0001PF-SH@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Have yo had a chance to put the VS.NET 2003 Academic Edition in the mail yet?
Not yet, but you should know that I've switched to 2005, so if you want to keep up, its probably best to switch as well. I've setup the express C++ 2005 and compiled the code, so once you get everything setup properly, it does work. The 2005 compiler is better and the 2005 IDE is better (even the express edition) than the 2003 version. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>
OK thanks Richard, I will perservere with express C++ 2005. Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul de Leeuw Computers NSW Central Coast, Australia Email: pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au www: < http://www.deleeuw.com.au> ABN 72 360 822 562 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:fractdev-bounces+pdeleeuw=deleeuw.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Friday, 13 April 2007 11:44 AM To: Fractint developer's list Subject: Re: [Fractdev] Paul? In article <E1Hc8OT-0001PF-SH@pecan.exetel.com.au>, "Paul" <pdeleeuw@deleeuw.com.au> writes:
Have yo had a chance to put the VS.NET 2003 Academic Edition in the mail yet?
Not yet, but you should know that I've switched to 2005, so if you want to keep up, its probably best to switch as well. I've setup the express C++ 2005 and compiled the code, so once you get everything setup properly, it does work. The 2005 compiler is better and the 2005 IDE is better (even the express edition) than the 2003 version. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> _______________________________________________ Fractdev mailing list Fractdev@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractdev
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