Hello guys.
Is it just that they are heavily influenced by something great (NC), that came before them,
Of course not, its more like: How interesting would a new band called Porno Pistols playing 3 chord punk versions of God Save Prince Charles be? Enough is enough. This is just my personal opinion, Im happy that others seem to like Estradasphere.
or did one of them sleep with your girlfriend? ;-)
Ah, girlfriend The words sound so sweet in my ear, yet so far away . ;-)
You cannot deny their skill as musicians.
Do you mean their chops? Or is it what Ken calls schtick and makes him want to kill people? For me a good musician is somebody who plays good music. Estradasphere are perhaps good in the sense of a professionel studio musicians or a David Sanborn backing group. Id ten times rather listen to Naked City stumble through Demon Sanctuary than Estradasphere play a highly skillful version of their lame what-ever.
I have never heard a band that is 100 % original. If you investigate well enough, you can find someone who's done it before. I mean, you don't listen to Miles davis or Charles Mingus because they are original.
I agree, but bringing this up in the context of Estradashpere is, well, fairly out of proportions to say the least.
One of their great abilities is to copy Mr. Bungle note by note. Of course nobody's 100% original but this...
I agree. They are probably ripping off Bungle more than they are Naked City. Why Spruance and other Bungle people hang around Estradasphere I have no idea, but I guess they liked to be kissed in their asses. Or maybe they are just really nice guys, who knows. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
One of their great abilities is to copy Mr. Bungle note by note. Of course nobody's 100% original but this...
I agree. They are probably ripping off Bungle more than they are Naked City. Why Spruance and other Bungle people hang around Estradasphere I have no idea, but I guess they liked to be kissed in their asses. Or maybe they are just really nice guys, who knows.
There's a band out of Chicago called Tubring, sounds like the same deal. Bungle disciple, Trey Spruance produced record. Not bad to listen to live, but their albums are not impressive. I was surprised that Spruance would be that nice. Patton wouldn't be that nice as he has shown in various magazine interviews. Maybe Spruance feels the need to do community service, help the less fortunate (financially and musically).
Is it just that they are heavily influenced by something great (NC), that came before them,
Of course not, it's more like: How interesting would a new band called "Porno Pistols" playing 3 chord punk versions of "God Save Prince Charles" be? Enough is enough.
This is a great example, perhaps even without you knowing completely why. Calling your rip-off group after your idols, and missing the point of the real genius in the original name: sex/ piss tools, is EXACTLY what makes rip-offs so boring. But great rip-offs exist too, like parodies, or pastiches. A more creative Sex Pistols rip-off group would have worked on the pun, rather than the name itself. A 3 chord version of God Saves the Queen sounds interesting in a way too, because the original had at least six (the pistols had way cool 'middle eights' in their songs, and were sometimes even soloing on different changes in one song. OK, they were simplistic hard rock changes, but nevertheless). To be able to even reduce a pistols song, sounds interesting to me, just like the ramones and sixties thrash bands were cool in reducing fifties r'n'r. Regards, Remco Takken now playing: Jerry Lee Lewis Live at the Starclub in Hamburg
Hello, ...this post made me think of Australia's Celibate Rifles, who goofed on the Sex Pistols name w/out goofing on said band's music (IIRC they were essentially Ramones inspired). This joke always impressed me because it didn't register w/ me the first few times I read/heard it. Curiously, the game show "Jeopardy!" once presented an "answer" featuring the Celibate Rifles that asked for the origins of their name. Nobody got it. I remain... Joseph NP: Jane Ira Bloom- "Second Wind" LP NR: William H. Gass- "The Tunnel" -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Remco Takken Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 4:25 PM To: Arthur Gadney; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Estradasphere
Is it just that they are heavily influenced by something great (NC), that came before them,
Of course not, it's more like: How interesting would a new band called "Porno Pistols" playing 3 chord punk versions of "God Save Prince Charles" be? Enough is enough.
This is a great example, perhaps even without you knowing completely why. Calling your rip-off group after your idols, and missing the point of the real genius in the original name: sex/ piss tools, is EXACTLY what makes rip-offs so boring. But great rip-offs exist too, like parodies, or pastiches. A more creative Sex Pistols rip-off group would have worked on the pun, rather than the name itself. A 3 chord version of God Saves the Queen sounds interesting in a way too, because the original had at least six (the pistols had way cool 'middle eights' in their songs, and were sometimes even soloing on different changes in one song. OK, they were simplistic hard rock changes, but nevertheless). To be able to even reduce a pistols song, sounds interesting to me, just like the ramones and sixties thrash bands were cool in reducing fifties r'n'r. Regards, Remco Takken now playing: Jerry Lee Lewis Live at the Starclub in Hamburg _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list
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