Zach Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
would every one say is Sonic Youth's least accessible album?
_Silver Session_, _Goodbye 20th Century_, _The Whitey Album_ (as Ciccone Youth), _Kill Yr Idols_ -- Jim Flannery newgrange@talmanassociates.com
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 06:35:44PM -0700, Jim Flannery wrote:
Zach Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
would every one say is Sonic Youth's least accessible album?
_Silver Session_, _Goodbye 20th Century_, _The Whitey Album_ (as Ciccone Youth), _Kill Yr Idols_
"Sonik Death" and "TV Eye" (with Yamatsuka Eye) come to mind also. I heard "Sonik Death" just as I was getting hooked to Sonic Youth -- my only prior exposure having been "Goo" -- so I hated it. I think that since then I have developped a much higher tolerance for noise so I'd be curious to hear it again. As a regular album, "Confusion Is Sex", which was reissued by Universal, is still quite challenging. Julien
I just finished watching the Japanese movie Audition...uhhh...I don't know what to say. Any opinions? Z
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:23:45AM -0500, Zach Steiner wrote:
I just finished watching the Japanese movie Audition...uhhh...I don't know what to say. Any opinions?
Great movie. The only movie I ever saw that made physically sick -- I had to leave the theater before the end. I'd like to see it again (on DVD for instance...) to see the end. A real experience. Incidentally, this is the last movie I saw with my best friend before I left to move to Tokyo... my friend begged me not to go! Julien [SPOILER] The scene where the bag is suddenly moving when the phone rings is one of the scariest I've seen in a movie.
Hello, ....haven't seen "Audition", but I've seen "Visitor Q" by the same director (Takeshi Miike), and it was one of the more outlandish films that I've watched in quite a while. I'd like to see it again, because my first viewing was of a bootleg copy on an old TV set. I liked it. Fans of Jodorowsky and Lynch might like it, too. I remain.... Joseph NP: Eric Dolphy- "Softly, As In a Morning Sunrise. Live in Germany, 1961" CD NR: Howard Zinn- "A People's History of the United States" -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Zach Steiner Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:24 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Audition I just finished watching the Japanese movie Audition...uhhh...I don't know what to say. Any opinions? Z _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list
Hello Zach, What a coincidence. We just got a DVD player yesterday and the first movie we rented was Audition (in fact it was one of the two first movies). My wife couldn't stay the episode ten minutes before the end, but she came back to see the very final part. I cannot say that I liked (or understood?) the idea of Audition, but it is truly one of the best examples how to communicate with the audience using very limited art techniques. If you think about what is shown on the screen, you realize that there are no violent details or thrilling scenes comparing to any action or suspense movie. The miracle is how the director makes you feel so strong about what happening in the film. I'm not sure that I want to see it again, but I would like to know if it is worth it to watch other Miike's movies. If yes, which ones? Thursday, March 13, 2003, you wrote to me: ZS> I just finished watching the Japanese movie Audition...uhhh...I don't ZS> know what to say. Any opinions? -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
--- Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com> wrote: >
I'm not sure that I want to see it again, but I
I absolutely adored "Audition". In fact, I went to the cinema twice to watch it. I love how the director plays with the viewers perception(s). Even after watching it twice I think I still haven't worked out whether the whole "love"-story happens in the guy's imagination, or whether it is his reality.
would like to know if it is worth it to watch other Miike's movies. If yes, which ones?
A search on imdb.com showed that he's done about 50 films...! No too long ago I saw "Dead or Alive". Quite good; I can recommend it. At the end, the film takes a turn that one would never ever expect... (And there are also scenes that are rather sick...) patRice np: Mambo Kurt, Return of the Alleinunterhalter nr: Michael Moore, Stupid White Men __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Spoilers, sort of: Completely awesome. Unbelievable curveball. From the moment that the dude's head hit the floor I felt like the narrative itself actually broke. Though I had read reviews and kind of knew what to expect, I was completely amazed by how fractured the film became. What's funny is that my SO fell asleep before that point, so she has a completely different idea of what the movie's about than I do. And the scene at the end (where 'Torture Garden' would've been an appropriate soundtrack) is one of the two most disgusting scenes I've ever seen-- the other being the meal in Singapore Sling. I was actually squirming. back to lurking, -nathan --- Zach Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
I just finished watching the Japanese movie Audition...uhhh...I don't know what to say. Any opinions?
Z
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Hi, Audition really got me, I saw it maybe 5 times in the cinema. I liked the contrast of the "normal live", the house he lives in (suburban quite live with descant furniture) and his whole surrounding with his son and his girlfriend, and the things that go around, uh, maybe in his head, or eh what, i don't know, just the contrast you know. I am not so convinced that the end had to be like it was, so visual, but as the shockeffect it did its purpose. it was actually more of a releave that it came, to have suddently something that you could grab, even if it was much more than you expected, where the rest of the film was very surreal, for that purpose, it worked. I didn't like dead or alive so much, but graveyard of honour is really good too, in a similar way. I say in a similar way, although everything in it is just the opposite. The whole film is pretty violent, lots of shooting and cool guestures. But there is this one scene, just done very wonderfull, very calm and silent (one of the best taking drugs scene i have seen, better than pulp fiction or in the movie of that pi guy), it is the most horrible scene in that movie and gives a different perspective on the film watched so far. And in contrast, where audition is pretty warmly filmed (home, friend etc), but you are chilly the same time, graveyard of honour is pretty cool and cold, but somehow it gives you warmth. I am not saying it is better than audition, it just is very interesting to see both and see how in so many ways he can use his language. And I think it is more than coool man, lots of torture torture, I think he is really really gifted. He does use a very popular language, but is able to reveal so much, of the viewer (well, me). From the count, he makes movies like others write emails, and i don't know if he has a trend or anything, or if all are comparable. maybe another poll idea, no stop stop arthur Zach Steiner wrote:
I just finished watching the Japanese movie Audition...uhhh...I don't know what to say. Any opinions?
Z
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:35:44 -0700 "Jim Flannery" wrote:
_Silver Session_, _Goodbye 20th Century_, _The Whitey Album_ (as Ciccone Youth), _Kill Yr Idols_
The Whitey Album? I guess I only remember the Madonna cover which was quite... groovy. Was the remainder of the record "difficult"? As a side question is this LP available on CD? Thanks, Patrice.
HI,
The Whitey Album? I guess I only remember the Madonna cover which was quite... groovy. Was the remainder of the >record "difficult"? As a side question is this LP available on CD?
>Thanks, >Patrice. I think your memory serves you, Patrice. As long as I remember, "The White(y)Album" had nothing difficult in it. One of the highlights was one krautrockish instrumental piece whose video was included in that VHS release, "Screaming Fields of Sonic Love". It also included a funny cover of Robelt Palmer- funny because the song is ridiculous itself though and because the video was the cheesiest of all. If I'm not wrong, there was some sort of Thurston's alter ego singing what he called Tuffy Titty Raps and not much more. They were thinking of an album covering Maddonna's material only but nothing came out of that... fortunately. Actually, "The White(y) Album" was MIke Watt's project. I haven't seen the album for a while, but it was released on CD, that's for sure. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Albert Ayler "Love Cry" ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... http://messenger.yahoo.es
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:47:50 +0100 (CET) =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= wrote:
I think your memory serves you, Patrice. As long as I remember, "The White(y)Album" had nothing difficult in it. One of the highlights was one krautrockish instrumental piece whose video was included in that VHS release, "Screaming Fields of Sonic Love". It also included a funny cover of Robelt Palmer- funny because the song is ridiculous itself though and because the video was the cheesiest of all. If I'm not wrong,
Cheesiest? I think there was quite a bit of humor in it. And wasn't that video the inspiration for Tone Loc's "The Wild Thing" :-). Patrice.
Cheesiest? I think there was quite a bit of humor in it. And wasn't that video the inspiration for Tone Loc's "The Wild Thing" :-).
Patrice.
Let's say "Hilariously cheesy" then... :-) Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Derek & the Ruins "Saisoro" (Tzadik) ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... http://messenger.yahoo.es
Can anyone attest to quality of Eraserhead now available on Lynch's website? I've heard the reason for it being over due was that they wanted to get the remastering perfect, which wasn't happening at first. Also, where the heck is the "A Tribute to Jack Johnson" box set promised last month? I can't find anything about it online or anywhere. Sorry for the persistent off topic questions, but you guys always have the best answers. Zach
Hello, ...this came out on CD through Geffen around 1993 or so, with swell Mike Watt liner notes added. I don't think it's "difficult" in the way that the other records that Jim Flannery mentioned are. But the record, for me at least, took a while to absorb. It lacks the immediately grabbing elements that many of the Sonic Youth share, such as an explosive/memorable opening cut. Also, beginning w/ "Bad Moon Rising", Sonic Youth albums are usually pretty cohesive. "The White(y) Album" is stylistically all over the place, though that wildly disparate quality is a big part of what eventually charmed me to the record. I certainly wouldn't recommend "White(y)" as a starting point to the band (for that I'd say start at "Bad Moon Rising" and then work forward and backward). Just my two cents. I remain.... Joseph NP: Arthur Doyle_ "Plays and Sing From the Songbook Vol. 1" CD NR: Howard Zinn- "A People's History of the United States"
_Silver Session_, _Goodbye 20th Century_, _The Whitey Album_ (as Ciccone
Youth), _Kill Yr Idols_
The Whitey Album? I guess I only remember the Madonna cover which was quite... groovy. Was the remainder of the record "difficult"? As a side question is this LP available on CD?
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On 3/13/03 1:26 PM, "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com> wrote:
Also, beginning w/ "Bad Moon Rising", Sonic Youth albums are usually pretty cohesive.
But for a new listener I'd say start with Evol or Sister, if only to get away from the muddier mix of Bad Moon Rising. Back in the day I started with Bad Moon Rising, was interested but unimpressed, then saw them live and finally got it. I bought Sister next and immediately wished I'd started with that because it's, imho, the first record that gets both the music and the mix right. philz
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