Of course, Beethoven *did* scramble for commissions and he did long for official positions at various times, a longing that went unfulfilled. The first truly, completely independent composer was apparently Brahms, who accepted only a handful of commissions in his entire life and otherwise supported himself through publishing and by touring as a piano not-quite-virtuoso. The irony, of course, is that he was arguably a far less innovative creative force than were Bach, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nmperign & Jason Lescalleet - "Such Is a Refrigerator, or Even Happiness," 'In Which the Silent Partner-Director Is No Longer Able to Make His Point to the Industrial Dreamer' (Intransitive)
I've always seen Brahms as a sort of John Lewis figure-- a guy trying to hold on for dear life to the formalism he honestly believed was the right thing and largely doing dry work in the process. sh on 11/20/02 9:10 AM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote:
Of course, Beethoven *did* scramble for commissions and he did long for official positions at various times, a longing that went unfulfilled. The first truly, completely independent composer was apparently Brahms, who accepted only a handful of commissions in his entire life and otherwise supported himself through publishing and by touring as a piano not-quite-virtuoso. The irony, of course, is that he was arguably a far less innovative creative force than were Bach, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven.
Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nmperign & Jason Lescalleet - "Such Is a Refrigerator, or Even Happiness," 'In Which the Silent Partner-Director Is No Longer Able to Make His Point to the Industrial Dreamer' (Intransitive)
This discussion made we want to lisyen to some beethoven, which is something I haven't done for the last 12 years or something (the year i gave all the beethoven symphonies on czech' supraphon LPs for the first mahavishnu & Jethro Tull's 'thick as a brick', way back in high school). Could someone recommend me some good recordings, of the quartets, for ex, and also symphonies? Are there any good cheaper cds in some 2cdfor 1 series? or is it just like with baroque music, that newer intepretaion differ by being closer to original, so it make really sesne topay for the new stuff? (didn't Gardiner record his symphonies with orchestre revolutionnaire et romantique, or whatever it's called?) Thanks in Advance Marcin ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> To: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Cc: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: Re: No Subject
Of course, Beethoven *did* scramble for commissions and he did long for official positions at various times, a longing that went unfulfilled. The first truly, completely independent composer was apparently Brahms, who accepted only a handful of commissions in his entire life and otherwise supported himself through publishing and by touring as a piano not-quite-virtuoso. The irony, of course, is that he was arguably a far less innovative creative force than were Bach, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven.
Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nmperign & Jason Lescalleet - "Such Is a Refrigerator, or Even Happiness," 'In Which the Silent Partner-Director Is No Longer Able to Make His Point to the Industrial Dreamer' (Intransitive)
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hello marcin and everyone else, i very much enjoy 'the middle string quartets' and 'the late string quartets', each being a 3 disc set with the music performed by the vermeer quartet. i don't have the label info with me at the moment. i'm not a big classical music listener, so don't really have anything to compare them to, but the music on these discs really strike a chord in me... -whit On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
This discussion made we want to lisyen to some beethoven, which is something I haven't done for the last 12 years or something (the year i gave all the beethoven symphonies on czech' supraphon LPs for the first mahavishnu & Jethro Tull's 'thick as a brick', way back in high school). Could someone recommend me some good recordings, of the quartets, for ex, and also symphonies? Are there any good cheaper cds in some 2cdfor 1 series? or is it just like with baroque music, that newer intepretaion differ by being closer to original, so it make really sesne topay for the new stuff? (didn't Gardiner record his symphonies with orchestre revolutionnaire et romantique, or whatever it's called?) Thanks in Advance Marcin ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> To: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Cc: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: Re: No Subject
Of course, Beethoven *did* scramble for commissions and he did long for official positions at various times, a longing that went unfulfilled. The first truly, completely independent composer was apparently Brahms, who accepted only a handful of commissions in his entire life and otherwise supported himself through publishing and by touring as a piano not-quite-virtuoso. The irony, of course, is that he was arguably a far less innovative creative force than were Bach, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven.
Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nmperign & Jason Lescalleet - "Such Is a Refrigerator, or Even Happiness," 'In Which the Silent Partner-Director Is No Longer Able to Make His Point to the Industrial Dreamer' (Intransitive)
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the van karajan cycle of the symphonies on dg is great. also, george szell conducting cleveland is great. sh
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