hey, I was wondering are any of the downtown NYC music ppl getting involved in either the anti- or pro-war with Iraq camps? Undoubtedly they'll have pretty strong views on the "war against terror", as all New Yorkers must. Zorn in particular must have srtong feelings regarding the middle east. I ask because I hear that the US media has been completely failing to cover the anti-war movement across the states. I wonder is the underground providing an alternative means of communication? Here in Ireland, anti-war protestors have grabbed a lot of column inches by bashing in the nose of a plane carrying US military personnel with a hammer. I don't think any musicians have done anything specifically pro- or anti-war so far. Rory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
on 2/11/03 11:05 AM, Rory Carr at roreek@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I ask because I hear that the US media has been completely failing to cover the anti-war movement across the states. I wonder is the underground providing an alternative means of communication?
I think it depends on which undergound, or even if you consider certain musicians to be underground. As for the American media not covering the anti-war movement, consider who owns the major media outlets, and how much they stand to gain by billion-dollar defense contracts. Those folks don't want to discourage the use of the very missiles they're manufacturing and selling for such immense amounts of money. PR is real important to any war effort, and the last time American TV extensively covered an anti-war movement in this country (Vietnam), it was nothing short of a PR disaster for defense contractors and elected officals alike. Besides, the War On Terrorism is is keeping people glued to their TV's, and that's good for advertising revenues. Remember -- these people have a business to run. It's not their fault if the moral side of an issue ain't lucrative. In fact, if the moral side does become lucrative, we'll see plenty of it. I'm sure that Celine Dion has a fantastic and relevant power ballad at the ready for just such an occasion. skip h
I don't think I've yet met a single person who is pro-war on Iraq, maybe I'm just lucky and sticking to my circle of friends and colleagues, but I think there are a lot more people against this war idea than the major media is portraying. Eric Alterman has an excellent article in the newest issue of "The Nation" about they myth of the "liberal" media and the actualy conservative bent of most of the media. I also saw him on CNN's Crossfire talking about it and some astonishing numbers about news stories were given. I can't recall them exactly, but things like hundreds of stories about Al Gore "inventing the internet" (which we all know he never said anyway) and a handful of news stories about something Bush did that should have been scandalous (insider trading, drug use, etc. I can't remember exactly). I guess my point is that there is a lot of disagreement over here with our "president," but like Iraq's people and their disagreement with their president, you are not going to hear a lot about it. Oh, also in a recent issue of the Nation - an article about how the Pentagon is doing research on "non-lethal" chemical weapons and how we might use them in Iraq, thus violating the same chemical weapons treaty that we are supposedly going to war with Iraq for violating. enough soapbox for now, rob
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:27:30 -0800 skip Heller wrote:
Remember -- these people have a business to run. It's not their fault if the moral side of an issue ain't lucrative. In fact, if the moral side does become lucrative, we'll see plenty of it. I'm sure that Celine Dion has a
At a 100-200 billions $ cost, the anti-war movement looks pretty lucrative: by its lack of expenses... Patrice.
I ask because I hear that the US media has been completely failing to cover the anti-war movement across the states. I wonder is the underground providing an alternative means of communication? Here in Ireland, anti-war protestors have grabbed a lot of column inches by bashing in the nose of a plane carrying US military personnel with a hammer. I don't think any musicians have done anything specifically pro- or anti-war so far. well, i'd be very interested in the situation in the usa, too. here in germany there are lots of discussions going on about the topic and there are many demostrations against the war. ... and even the german government tries to prevent a war.
and on february 15th, this weekend, there are demonstrations scheduled all over the world. if you have time, please go there and try to stop the war before it starts!!! Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://www.nyds-exp-discogs.tk np: Keith Rowe, Oren Amarchi, Sachiko M, Otomo Yoshihide, Robbie Avenaim: Thumb (Grob) Blind Idiot God: Cyclotron (DIW) To Rococo Rot & I-Sound: Music Is A Hungry Ghost -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac
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