So, I hear that Greg Ginn is getting Black Flag (early version) back together for a concert to benefit cat rescue. The Rollins Band is touring playing Black Flag songs (presumably Rollins-era tunes) to benefit the West Memphis 3. The Stooges are playing with Mike Watt on bass for no specific cause and a reformed Rocket from the Tombs with Richard Lloyd subbing for the late Peter Laughner are touring. (Speaking of which, has anyone heard any of the released RFTT material? and is it worth picking up?) Anyone else think this confluence of reunions is weirder than the fact that these bands existed in the first place? Maybe they should all get together for the old punks stadium rock tour. Hell, I'd actually go see that. "Yeah, we have a Beatles reunion opening up for them, Kevin Dubrow from Quiet Riot is filling in for John." (paraphrased from Desperate Teenage Lovedolls). rob -- "Bones heal. Chicks dig scars. And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world." -Capt. Lance Murdoch
And of course, the crown jewel is that the Sex Pistols are also on another "desperate, but not serious" tour this summer as well. I wouldn't assume that the Rollins Band will limit itself entirely to Rollins-era material, BTW, since original singer Keith Morris is tagging along. I feel fuckin' old, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu> To: "zornlist" <zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Old punks...
So, I hear that Greg Ginn is getting Black Flag (early version) back together for a concert to benefit cat rescue. The Rollins Band is touring playing Black Flag songs (presumably Rollins-era tunes) to benefit the West Memphis 3. The Stooges are playing with Mike Watt on bass for no specific cause and a reformed Rocket from the Tombs with Richard Lloyd subbing for the late Peter Laughner are touring. (Speaking of which, has anyone heard any of the released RFTT material? and is it worth picking up?)
Anyone else think this confluence of reunions is weirder than the fact that these bands existed in the first place?
Maybe they should all get together for the old punks stadium rock tour. Hell, I'd actually go see that.
"Yeah, we have a Beatles reunion opening up for them, Kevin Dubrow from Quiet Riot is filling in for John." (paraphrased from Desperate Teenage Lovedolls).
rob
-- "Bones heal. Chicks dig scars. And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world." -Capt. Lance Murdoch
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In some cases -- "London Calling" is a Jaguar commercial, the Jello-less Dead Kennedys etc -- the new focus on old punks has been terrible and demoralizing to anyone who believed these guys in the first place. On the other hand, Keith Morris, the resurrected Carlos Guitarlos, the recent Essential Logic album, and above all Wayne Kramer are proving hands down that age and defiance are not mutually exclusive. Lux Interior is 57 this year, and the Cramps are still every bit too trashy for grown-ups. You gotta believe... skip h NP: The Original Dixieland azz Band: Creators of Jazz
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, skip Heller wrote:
In some cases -- "London Calling" is a Jaguar commercial, the Jello-less Dead Kennedys etc -- the new focus on old punks has been terrible and demoralizing to anyone who believed these guys in the first place.
believed in what guys? the bands? i think i agree with you. when jaguar used "london calling" for a commercial, i was bemused. i also noted how short lived that commercial was. but when at&t started using "blitzkreig bop" for their new commercials, i began to wonder. who in the heck is in charge of choosing this music? don't they realize the lyrics are both anti-establishment as well as completely out of place? why would anyone choose a song about nazi germany and the second world war to promote a cell phone? it makes no sense. or does it? the song starts with, "they're forming in straight line" implying, like sheep to the slaughter, following orders. that's pretty much what any marketing exec wants, i guess. so, is this only the beginning or just a minor trend? or... is this simply the same old, same old practice in corporate co-opting of the counter-culture? --dk Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
on 6/10/03 9:45 AM, SUGAR in their vitamins? at yol@esophagus.com wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, skip Heller wrote:
In some cases -- "London Calling" is a Jaguar commercial, the Jello-less Dead Kennedys etc -- the new focus on old punks has been terrible and demoralizing to anyone who believed these guys in the first place.
believed in what guys? the bands?
That the people in those bands believed in the content of their lyrics.
so, is this only the beginning or just a minor trend? or... is this simply the same old, same old practice in corporate co-opting of the counter-culture?
If the counter-culture wasn't saying yes to the highest bidder, it couldn't/wouldn't be co-opted. Remember -- punk rock failed largely because it started out as an alternative to corpo-rock, but, the moment most of these bands did real well in the indie marketplace, they signed to major labels, hooked up with the established rock booking agencies, and played established rock venues. It didn;t replace anything. That punk rock has become the new corpo-nostalgia means only that those records sold better than any of us were told. skip h
Is "Blitzkrieg Bop" really about Nazi Germany? My take on the lyrics was that it was about kids into punk rock and "Blitzkrieg" was only used to signify the speed of punk music. I might be wrong here, and certainly Nazi-era Germany was a topic of other songs of theirs ("Today Your Love..., "Commando"). Hmm, interesting question then. Maybe it really is about Nazi germany? Anyone know the actual lyrics - I can only remember parts of them. eat kosher salami, r Quoting SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, skip Heller wrote:
but when at&t started using "blitzkreig bop" for their new commercials, i began to wonder. who in the heck is in charge of choosing this music? don't they realize the lyrics are both anti-establishment as well as completely out of place? why would anyone choose a song about nazi germany and the second world war to promote a cell phone? it makes no sense. or does it?
the song starts with, "they're forming in straight line" implying, like sheep to the slaughter, following orders. that's pretty much what any marketing exec wants, i guess.
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