Re: Bill Frisell & film music question
Hi.
there are many examples of exactly this. But it's usually when the directory is trying to directly induce a period feel (THE PURPLE ROSE OF CAIRO for instance).
Yes, of course, but can you really think of another movie were they just lifted the theme from another movie, in this case made just a few years earlier? And I'm not talking about just ripping off, like with "Lord of the Rings" but actually reusing ;-)
Lets blame it on Hal Wilner. He seems able to destroy anything he gets his
hands on. What a shame.
Willner's pretty brilliant, in my opinion, and in the opinions of just about any musicians he's ever worked with.
I always figured he must be a realyl nice guy, or something :-) I never heard his solo album, even though I heard it should be great, but his all star projects like the Harry Parch one, and even worse the Disney one always fell like a big waste of time to me. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Yes, of course, but can you really think of another movie were they just lifted the theme from another movie, in this case made just a few years earlier?
Just an example, the main theme on the 'Casino' soundtrack is taken from 'Contempt'...
Yes, of course, but can you really think of another movie were they just lifted the theme from another movie, in this case made just a few years earlier? And I'm not talking about just ripping off, like with "Lord of the Rings" but actually reusing ;-)
"Rock Around The Clock" leaps to mind, actually. It was orignally the theme to a 1955 flick called BLACKBOARD JUNGLE, and has been used to open at least two other films. So does "To Sir With Love", although I can't remember the second film it was used to open. And the Trenet "La mer" was originally a theme to a 30s Trenet movie but was used to beautiful effect as the opening of LA STORY.
Lets blame it on Hal Wilner. He seems able to destroy anything he gets his
hands on. What a shame.
Willner's pretty brilliant, in my opinion, and in the opinions of just about any musicians he's ever worked with.
I always figured he must be a realyl nice guy, or something :-) I never heard his solo album, even though I heard it should be great, but his all star projects like the Harry Parch one, and even worse the Disney one always fell like a big waste of time to me.
Cheers.
I love the Disney. Steve Swallow backing James Taylor was gorgeous, and the Replacements, NRBQ, Los Lobos, and Ken Nordine are never a waste of time. The Yma Sumac cut was great as well. Hal is a pretty brilliant producer -- the way he puts combinations of players together is a gift and a half (as in the case of the Sanborn album he produced), and his ability to find the right tune for the right artist (I'm thinking Carla Bley's "8 1/2") is really special. There's a Partch one? Other than some of the instrumentation on the Mingus one? skip h
Lets blame it on Hal Wilner. He seems able to destroy anything he gets his
hands on. What a shame.
I always figured he must be a realyl nice guy, or something :-) I never heard his solo album, even though I heard it should be great, but his all star projects like the Harry Parch one, and even worse the Disney one always fell like a big waste of time to me.
I was not too sure you were talking about the same Hal Wilner as the one I know, but dropping the Partch name set me on the wonderfully produced 'Weird nightmare' Mingus tribute. The great music by Bill Frisell, Greg Cohen and Joey Baron, combining Mingus songs with Harry Partch instruments' interludes makes me eager to forgive anything bad willner might have done, although I have never *heard* such turkeys, to be fair. I have to listen to the Disney album now, don't I? The eighties tributes I know (Nina Rota Amarcord, Monk That's the way I feel now) have stellar moments to say the least, but they REALLY stand out for their togetherness, combining at the same time the throwaway feel of a regular various artists album. I really like that unpretentiousness, especially as the music itself comes out so brilliantly (Steve Lacy & Elvin Jones doing 'Evidence', or Jaki Byard playing La Strada). And the willner solo album is great, too, indeed (Whoops I'm an Indian). But this is a 'DJ album', a collaboration with Martin Brumbach and Howie B. With samples from Willners wild collection of 78's, it 'wasn't that far from what a lot of club/ mix dj's were doing- my own taste excluded' is what willner himself sai\ys about the album in the liner notes. The conclusion of the record is a ridiculously slowed down very old version of 'What a friend we have in Jesus' with Ralph Carney overdubbing equally low and slow woodwinds over it. To me that was worth buying the album alone, but there are other great finds there. Regards, Remco Takken
I'm reasonably certain that Philip Glass recycled music from his own 'Powaqqatsi' for 'The Truman Show'... at least, that's what I remember thinking when I first saw the latter film. And 'Powaqqatsi' is a sufficiently distinctive score among Glass's works that it would be hard to confuse with another. I'm with Skip and the other Willner boosters: the Monk, Weill and Disney discs made indelible impressions upon me during a particularly impressionable period, and were it not for "Shuffle Boil" and "The Little Lieutenant of the Loving God," we almost certainly would not have 'The Big Gundown,' 'Spillane' and 'Godard.' The Rota and Mingus albums made slightly less of an impression, but only slightly. More than anything, I think it's his wide-open ears and willingness to embrace and juxtapose disparate traditions that really cemented my interest in Willner. I came to the Weill album for Sting and Richard Butler (Psychedelic Furs) and had a really hard time with Zorn and Elliott Sharp. Nowadays, it's really the latter two (plus that grand, sweeping chart by Henry Threadgill) that keep me coming back to that disc. Similarly, it could be said that the ear candy by Peter Frampton (!), Joe Jackson, Donald Fagen and Steve Khan made my ears more ready to receive artists like Steve Lacy and Elvin Jones at one extreme, and Zorn and Shockabilly at another, during a formative period where I was groping to discover new things. It's remarkable to see just how prescient Willner was and remains in his hiring policies, picking up on folks like Zorn, Frisell and Sharp well before anyone in the mainstream had heard of them. And that version of "Speak Low" by Charlie Haden captures the essence of that song in ways that very few vocalists have ever done for me. I used to use it to sign off my college radio station off the air every single night. In some ways, the Disney album is the most challenging of all: Once you've adapted your Zorn-honed ears and can readily assimilate the harshest Waits and the zaniest Sumac, it can be hard to open your mind enough to appreciate what James Taylor, Suzanne Vega and Ringo Starr have to offer (warm, spooky and affable, respectively). Here, some things work and some things don't: Depending on your point of view, Sinead O'Connor's "Someday My Prince Will Come" can be vulnerable, ironic or just pathetic (I tend to fall into the latter mindset) and the combination of Michael Stipe and Natalie Merchant turns out to be as painfully fey as you'd imagine. NRBQ's track doesn't find them at their strongest, in my opinion (go back to the Monk disc for that), but Los Lobos are terrific and even Buster Poindexter is somehow palatable. And few things I've heard are as touching as the simple pleasure of hearing Bonnie Raitt, on the cusp of her "comeback," singing a simple ballad from 'Dumbo' backed by Don Was. I don't remember the Mingus disc as well simply because I loaned my copy to a record producer who was working on another Mingus tribute and naturally I never got it back. And the Rota disc is beautiful, but I must admit that I'm not enough of a cinephile for the composer's music to have made as great an impression on me as did the others. His spoken-word Edgar Allan Poe set is a spooky treat; I haven't heard his "solo" album. And we've spoken at great length here about his programming work on 'Saturday Night Live' and the magnificent failed experiment that was 'Night Music' (my homemade tapes are wearing out and I'd kill for a set of DVDs...). Here in New York, Willner has continued to program eclectic and challenging fare, including an extremely well-regarded tribute to Harry Smith and his folk anthology (some of the new Robin Holcomb disc started here); pity that little of it has been documented. I once had an opportunity to meet him and gushed that he had been one of my formative musical reference sources. "I'm really sorry to hear that," he said, unironically redirecting my awe to his own sources. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com
on 8/26/02 8:01 AM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote:
NRBQ's track doesn't find them at their strongest, in my opinion (go back to the Monk disc for that)
This will be one of the rare times you reads this on this list: STEVE SMITH IS WRONG!! Between Al Anderson's best guitar solo on record and one of Terry Adams' most outlandish harmonizations (HE doesn't even know what the chords are in the bridge), you got a classic here. Might have been the first NRBQ cut I was seduced by (either that or "This Love Is True"), which means it had something of an impact for me. skip h
Skip Heller sayeth:
NRBQ's track doesn't find them at their strongest, in my opinion (go back to the Monk disc for that)
This will be one of the rare times you reads this on this list: STEVE SMITH IS WRONG!!
Something to which I'm always willing to confess, and particularly here, given the source. Guess I'll just have to pull it out again later. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Schubert, Piano Trio No. 1 - Thibaud/Casals/Cortot (Naxos)
-----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:02 AM
I'm reasonably certain that Philip Glass recycled music from his own 'Powaqqatsi' for 'The Truman Show'... at least, that's what I remember thinking when I first saw the latter film.
Goodness, I think Steve Smith is wrong again. I believe they really did reuse Glass's theme from "Mishima." And to add to Arthur Gadney's previous question: the lovely violin theme from "In the Mood for Love" (I just can't shut up about that movie) wasn't composed by Michael Galasso, whose music appears toward the end; it's taken wholesale from a Japanese film whose name I can't recall. Later, Ben np: walter wegmuller, "tarot" nr: samuel delany, "dhalgren" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02
See what I get for free-associating? All I remembered was that it was one of the soundtracks on Nonesuch that was plundered. Thanks, Ben. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Benito Vergara Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:41 PM
I'm reasonably certain that Philip Glass recycled music from his own 'Powaqqatsi' for 'The Truman Show'... at least, that's what I remember thinking when I first saw the latter film.
Goodness, I think Steve Smith is wrong again. I believe they really did reuse Glass's theme from "Mishima."
Nope, Steve is right again: there was indeed music from Powaqqatsi. http://www.philipglass.com/truman.html lists music from that, Anima Mundi, and Mishima as being in The Truman Show. I broke out laughing when the Powaqqatsi music started, and was amused to see a shot of Glass himself playing in the TV studio. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:56:03 -0400 "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
See what I get for free-associating? All I remembered was that it was one of the soundtracks on Nonesuch that was plundered. Thanks, Ben.
Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com
-----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Benito Vergara Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:41 PM
I'm reasonably certain that Philip Glass recycled music from his own 'Powaqqatsi' for 'The Truman Show'... at least, that's what I remember thinking when I first saw the latter film.
Goodness, I think Steve Smith is wrong again. I believe they really did reuse Glass's theme from "Mishima."
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