There's a bio of him -- I forget the title and author -- but after reading it, I felt like I had just gotten the 411 on Satan himself. He's really a terrible guy who's left a lot of bodies in his wake. sh on 6/10/03 10:40 PM, Tosh at tosh3@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think McLaren concept had anything to do with integrity. Also I don't think he was into the 'new' but rather into the old and true (and often fascinating) history of the creative manager and his or hers artist. I think McLaren thought himself in the same school as Chris Stamp (The Who), Epstein (The Beatles, and of course Andrew Loog Oldham (The Stones). So in that sense he was following pop music history. So in a nutshell, I don't think 'integrity' was an interest of McLaren's. His job was business integrity, which I think he pulled off brilliantly. A truly fascinating character. I don't think McLaren ever came near integrity, business r otherwise. sh