Bonjour Sorry to sidetrack from the 'bookshelf, shit or not' thread (hey it's true, sarcasm doesn't translate well to print) but as all the tracks from Cartoon/S&M exist on other albums; which versions do folks prefer? Do they vary greatly and give hints as to the level of improvisation inherent in the peice. Of particular interest are The Dead Man and Momento Mori. Was only joking with my opening line. I've enjoyed that threads morph into discussion of what makes art and the artistic process. I feel a purpose or function of art is to captivate enthrall or at least alter one's perception. After early listenings to Zorn's game pieces I 'discovered' the beautiful music in birdsong interspersed with traffic sounds (it was quite an epiphany) and thus became art. I don't always percieve traffic as art however. I've also been to plenty of gigs that I did not percieve as any form of art but rather a waste of my time. I realise that by this definition drinking a bottle of scotch creates art,but I don't entirely disagree with that( the statement I mean, not the binge drinking) So if music plays in the forest and no one hears it........ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!