Skip, Are you not overdoing it? I mean, saying that Zorn is getting a little heavy on Masada seems to me like a shared feeling among many old timer fans of Zorn music (at least the few left on the list). Or are you simply nit picking on the semantic used by Efren to convey his feeling? Isn't it a natural topic to talk about? Or are we only supposed -- the poor of us not technically equipped -- to simply worship or shut up? For history (if anybody cares), wasn't Zorn making fun of Lacy and Braxton for putting out so many records? One thing is sure, Zorn has beaten them largely and at a much younger age. I have numbers if you want. Don't worry, I am sure that John and Dave will survive to what was said and which I think was fairly innocuous. Did your new record project get refused? I mean, something terrible must have happen to you to display such anger. Patrice.