Some chimpanzees organise themselves into small armies and go to war against other chimps. But then some think they (and other great apes) should be afforded full human rights, because we are all so similar genetically. And humans aren't the only artistic animals either. Has anyone heard the Thai Elephant Orchestra? It's good stuff. Kind of pachyderm gamelan. http://www.mulatta.org/Thaielephantorch.html I was surprised by the way th 'War' thread turned out, but I don't think anyone should be surprised to see politics discussed in a group that listens to Radical Jewish Culture and Free Jazz. Rory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com