Hi, --- Zachary Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> escribió: > I get dismissive reactions from friends, in my
generation, when I talk about how great Pet Sounds is or when I speak of Brian Wilson's masterful (and at the time experimental) production.
The same happens to me, whether it's Brian Wilson, Al Green, The Beatles or Bacharach. They just have a
hard time with something so "happy" or "poppy" being great art--let alone revolutionary or experimental. I try to make them listen harder, but even then they still don't hear it. Sometimes their opinion changes when I play some cuts from Smiley Smile like the Woody Wood Pecker track or Wind chimes.
Maybe The BBs are not exactly revolutionary for today's standars, but I think their music still has something disturbing at some particular moments- I'm thinking of "Til' I Die", for example. Best, Efrén del Valle
Zach
-----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Efrén del Valle Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:24 PM To: skip heller Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: The Experimental Side of Burt Bacharach
Yes, but when it comes to popular music, envelope-pushing practices are far less obvious and more difficult to grab. Burt Bacharach is one example. Brian Wilson could be another one. Unless you listen to their albums really, really carefully, it's difficult to notice there's something groundbreaking there because the easily recognizable tunes and the pop forms stand at the forefront, not to mention the time/generational factor. Needless to say, when you scratch the surface, these impressions change.
Best,
Efrén del Valle n.p: Burt Bacharach "After the Fox" (MGM) thanks for reminding me
--- skip heller <thisparadise@sbcglobal.net> escribió: > If you listen closely and if you investigate BB's
working methods, you realize that he was very intentional about pushing the envelope. He did create breakthroughs in popular music and miraculously to a large audience. To be frank, the scope of his achievements on that score dwarf something like the sixties Miles quintet.
There is always a lot of experimental and revolutionary music going on away from the so-called and self-appointed"creative" music world. Burt Bacharach is not the exception to any rules. He's typical of something else.
skip h
on 11/11/03 8:35 AM, Patrice L. Roussel at proussel@ichips.intel.com wrote:
But why "The Experimental Side"? This is maybe
what makes Bacharach
(and many others) so important. They show (for those of us who were too infatuated with the sirens of experimentation to even realize it) that great music meaning a lot to a lot of people does not have to create breakthroughs.
There is a lot of great music to be done without extended techniques or a laptop :-).
Patrice.
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