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I need a digest of the zorn digest
by Bob 29 Jun '02

29 Jun '02

You'd think subscribing to the zornlist digest format would cut down on the email intake - what is all this side-tangent content drivel about? Do all you regulars really work in the music industry or is corporate America's efficiency ranking being dragged down with each new posting... I'm kidding of course - one person's incoherent rambling is another's gospel, uncapitalized "g" there... I'm on a bender since there is seems to be an increasing tide complaining about Frisell recordings of late, along with Horvitz's 4+1 ensemble. What gives? Y'all miss Joey on the drums keepin' Frisell on the edgy side? Musician's move on and do their own thing - so yeah, Mr. left of the left dial guitarist has moved into something akin to mainstream - if we are keeping within the context of zornlist land, of course. And the 4+1 Ensembles latest "From a Window" ? I held off getting that one for a while. Foolish me! Every track flippin' rules, even as about half of them pick up themes from previous recordings. signed (wink wink) desperately seeking good music ps: any London Saxopohonic fans out there? Any news on post (Moondog's) sax pax for a sax release? another ps: pros/cons on the latest Derek Bailey recording of standards? Seems promising...

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Re: SY:murraystreet
by Ryan Novak 29 Jun '02

29 Jun '02

------------------------------------ why should it be different for Evan Parker or Mick Jagger? Can't we just say Brotzmann is a great free-jazz stylist and his style is popular? ------------------------------------ Well, that's kind of funny to say free-jazz is popular, but in the avant-garde listening community the "newness" (which still must remain acceptable somehow though- say with lots of apparent forethought and not a bit of whimsy or humor) can count more than the quality. In that sense appearance is just as important there as it is in the mainstream. So some might be missing that Brotzmann is playing better than he ever has (and I'm not sure that's true, just an example) because we've tagged him and his kind with their importance being something other than just well-played music. Just like in the big money music where image can obscure the music, there's a bunch of people who might not really be listening due to some surface distraction. And some of the artists aren't really playing up to snuff either due to similar factors, but that's a different issue. But the idea that we may not really be listening and they might not really be playing and the truth of the whole thing is sidelined by shallower concerns, just sounds awful. But this happens a lot in life I guess. -----Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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Copyright issues
by Kasra George Ahmadi 29 Jun '02

29 Jun '02

I was curious to see if anybody (I'm sure there are a few) had a knowledge of good sources, online and offline, of questions regarding copyrights and the law and stuff like that, particularly regarding arrangements of certain songs. Can ya help me? kga ps--I'm also going for a comprehensive approach

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Re: forever
by Mikhail Abraham 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Sonic Youth are ALREADY old (by pop standards). In the past it's been presented positively, part of their sincere indie commitment. You know, laboring under relative anonymity, known only by the bands that you now love. _____________________________________________________________ May peace be the founding unity of all ideologies. May compassion reign in times of fear and anger. All peoples ought to prosper despite the power and greed of few. This can only be accomplished if we all work together and if everyone counts. _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email(a)yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag

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Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones (wa SY:murraystreet)
by Kurt Gottschalk 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>I don't see most of the "avant" scene dancing to the happy bubblegum pop of >Cibo Matto. but you don't live in nyc, do you? first off, cibo mato are no more. but yuka honda's last record is on tzadik and miho hatori plays tonic fairly regular. when they were together, they shared bills with arto lindsay and blonde redhead. none of which points to the avant *jazz* community, but they certainly attracted an audience (self included here) for which i never quite got the connection. np: a.d.d. orchestra "little pig nose" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: live shows rec. (NZC)
by Kurt Gottschalk 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

burkhard stangl and john butcher comprise 50% of polwechsel, the high point (4me) of this year's victo. i always enjoy butcher, new to stangl. >From: Ricardo Campillo <houseofklang(a)yahoo.es> >To: Zorn-list <zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com> >Subject: live shows rec. (NZC) >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:24:00 +0200 (CEST) > >Hi, this month in Barcelona there are a few probably >interesting live shows at the Fundació Miró , I'll go >to see Aki takase with Rudi mahall, and Peter Kowald, >but I don't know anything about other two shows: >Burkhard Stangl with Christof Kuzman , and John >Butcher with John Edwards. Someone recommends any of >this two shows? >Thanks in advance. >Regards for everyb. > >NP:Marc Ribot -Rootless Cosmopolitans. > >_______________________________________________________________ >Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 >El único lugar de Internet con vídeos de los 64 partidos. >¡Apúntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/ > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones (wa SY:murraystreet)
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Hello. > > Well, depends, doesn't it. What if that Dave Douglas album was with Cibo > > Matto? > > >i think the avant-garde community is enough behind cibo matto that that >woudn't be much of a challenge. I'm happy to hear that, beacuse that means that the "avant" scene is not totally dead and defined. At least it means something totally different to you and me. I don't see most of the "avant" scene dancing to the happy bubblegum pop of Cibo Matto. >But a Krall or a Monheit -- someone to whom >the avant-garde community is dismissive and hateful -- and to really play >correct in the context would constitute "selling out" amongst a bunch of >people who judge these things. But didn't he already sell out then by playing with Pat Metheny? Oh wait, sorry, that was Ornette. Sorry, my argument is dead. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: SY:murraystreet
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>didn't love it. if you want that kind of thing, I can name about a half >dozen records where it was really done right Five albums would get me started... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: SY:murraystreet/ brotzmann
by Ryan Novak 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>On the topix of Brotmann, I personally think he is >living 90% of his >reputation and I would not feel very sad if he >stopped >making records. I think you must hear any of the Chicago Tentet CDs before you make a statement like that- if you have, then fair enough, but I think you're way off. > Not >that all his stuff is bad, but when I listen to >"Nipples" for example, I >don't have any strong desire to rush out and >by "Noise >Of Wings". I'm a fan and I can't even remember what the hell Noise of Wings is. And Nipples was recorded over 30 years ago- you can hardly base his current output on that. Nipples isn't really that great anyway compared to a lot of his stuff. In fact it fits into the lazy (even though blaring) music for a lazy audience problem I was writing about before. I have a feeling this one sells more than many of his other albums and it's all about perception, too bad. But no one will review this album at this stage of the game and really give an honest criticism. ----Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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Ornette no Cecil
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Oh wait, we *were* talking about Ornette and not Cecil, as the former subject line might have sugested. My argument still stands proud! ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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