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Worst record by someone I normally love
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Marc Ribot: Shoe String Symphonettes (A lot of Ribot purists think this is one of his strongest, most diverse, most adventurous releases but I find myself listening to all of his other albums far more freqently.) Elvis Costello: For The Stars (Due to Anne Sophie von Otter's presence this is not strictly an "Elvis Costello release," but he produced it, sang back-ups, wrote half the songs and put himself on the cover, so it's eligible. Listened to it a number of times to give it a fair shake, but just couldn't warm to it.) Uri Caine -- Blue Wail. (eh) Bill Frisell -- Sweetest Punch (too easy listening) Richard Thompson -- Henry The Human Fly (a sorrier debut has never been released) Randy Newman -- Faust (overproduced, boring) Marvin Gaye -- The Last Concert Tour The Who -- Tommy (am I the only one who thinks the premise of this pretentious "rock opera" is just plain silly?) Flame away.... tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Re: Wynton's karma
by Mikhail Abraham 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Not that I would necessarily want Wynton to be excluded by avantsters after recording free jazz, and not that I necessarily want Wynton to record free jazz, but he may deserve it, given his own definition of jazz. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:16:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones (wa SY:murraystreet) From: skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> To: Arthur Gadney <a_gadney(a)hotmail.com> CC: <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> on 6/28/02 4:25 PM, Arthur Gadney at a_gadney(a)hotmail.com wrote: > Hello. > >>> Well, depends, doesn't it. What if that Dave Douglas album was with Cibo >>> Matto? >>> >> i think the avant-garde community is enough behind cibo matto that that >> woudn't be much of a challenge. > > I'm happy to hear that, beacuse that means that the "avant" scene is not > totally dead and defined. At least it means something totally different to > you and me. I don't see most of the "avant" scene dancing to the happy > bubblegum pop of Cibo Matto. They get lots of cred around the Zorn-ites, you must admit. Don't care much for them myself. I'm more for Shonen Knife. I do however think that the avant scene is largely codified, at least with regards to jazz. It seems eclectic at the outset, but, as you dig into it, you find out that Wynton Marsalis could release an all-free duet album with Elliot Sharp, and would still be denied access. _____________________________________________________________ May peace be the founding unity of all ideologies. May compassion reign in times of fear and anger. All peoples ought to prosper despite the power and greed of few. This can only be accomplished if we all work together and if everyone counts. _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email(a)yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag

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Re: Worst Record ever Made (by someone you normally admire)
by Dgasque＠aol.com 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

In a message dated Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:07:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, improv(a)peak.org writes: > > > Bill Laswell: Operazone, Jazzonia, and the horrible Celtic remix disc > whose name I (fortunately) can't remember at the moment. Ugh. _Jazzonia_ has some *great* chick music. I've spun this one at quite a few parties and the women go nuts over it. -- =dg=

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Re: Steve Reich
by Dgasque＠aol.com 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

In a message dated 6/30/02 2:45:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TagYrIt(a)aol.com writes: << In a message dated 6/30/2002 2:40:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, maurice(a)mac.com writes: > Oh, yeah--here's another disappointment: Steve Reich's _The Cave_, > which starts strong and then very quickly reveals itself as an > experiment that just doesn't work, but which he doggedly keeps > hammering into the ground. Couldn't this describe ANY Steve Reich album? Although I do have to admit, I like Different Trains a lot. >> I too admit this- Reich is downright tedious after the first few minutes to these ears too. -- np: VA-Interiors (a Sentrex Corporation comp of dark ambient stuff) =dg=

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Fwd: Bailey/Hemopheliac/Gift
by Efrén del Valle 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Hi, > > All of you ignored my request for impressions of > "Hemopheliac" so I'll ask again - should I spend two > hours listening to it again, or sell it on the > internet to some completist Patton fan (no doubt > it's intended audience anyway)? I'd love to read some impressions on this album too, specially considering that the price is far too much for me right now. Furthermore, I don't understand why I must pay for three signatures I actually didn't ask for. A bit unfair. I was surprised at the time that > no-one commented on the point about Zorn playing the > gig even though he didn't like performing "this kind > of music", but then again no-one here (Steve Smith > excepted) seems particularly interested in talking > about Zorn anymore. I AM! I'm really surprised that "IAO" for instance has barely been discussed. When I listened to it for the first time I thought this album would be pretty controversial here but I can't rememeber too many fireworks (or anything else in fact!). Unfortunately, many listers cannot contribute to Zorn's live performances comments due to their geographic position. I guess we're unlucky in Spain, for example. (please, nobody mentions "Live in Sevilla". Over 1.000km from where I live!) Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle n.p: Tom Waits "Alice" much, much better than "Blood Money"; absolutely beautiful _______________________________________________________________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El Ãºnico lugar de Internet con vÃdeos de los 64 partidos. Â¡ApÃºntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/

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Re: DER TRIBUN by Mauricio Kagel?
by Steve Smith 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

It was issued in 1996 and appears to be virtually impossible to acquire domestically at present. If you're really ambitious, though, it can be had for 18.50 Euros from the Wergo website: http://www.schott-online.com/Shop/php/Proxy.php?purl=/essh/products/show,93… Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Puccini, 'Tosca' - Callas, DeStefano, Gobbi (EMI) On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:02:53 -0700 "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> wrote: In the booklet of HETEROPHONIE (Wergo), there is on the last page an ad for other records. Among a few, the following one is listed: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - DER TRIBUN/... NACH EINER LEKTURE VON ORWELL: Mauricio Kagel ???? - Wergo (Germany), WER 63052 (CD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does anybody know if it has already been released? Thanks, Patrice. _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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Richard Thompson-Henry the Human Fly
by Andrew Stiffler 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Boy, I just love Henry the Human Fly. Nobody's Wedding, Twisted, Shakey Nancy, Roll over...I just love those bargain bins, one man's trash, another man's treasure. How about The Hampton Grease Band's Music to Eat?, Or Kevin Coyne's Sugar Candy Taxi?, I end up with too many copies for $.99. I hate overproduced albums, actually low-fi is what I look for, but I like Daniel Lanios? In any case I was very disappointed with much of the Fairport Convention's output after the early break in the band. Andrew --- zorn-list-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send zorn-list mailing list submissions to > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > zorn-list-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > zorn-list-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of zorn-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sunken heroes etc (skip Heller) > 2. RE: when good artists make bad albums > (JazzDr(a)aol.com) > 3. worst plus reviews lindsay/Frisell (mwoodwor) > 4. Re: worst plus reviews lindsay/Frisell (skip > Heller) > 5. style , repetition and cliche > (=?iso-8859-1?q?Edgar=20Lee?=) > 6. RE: good folks, bad recs + unexpected > greatness (josephneff) > 7. Re: worst plus reviews lindsay/Frisell (Caleb > T. Deupree) > 8. worst record (Caleb T. Deupree) > 9. john zorn (giuliana ferraris) > 10. Fwd: worst plus reviews lindsay/Frisell > (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) > 11. Fwd: worst record > (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) > 12. RE: Worst Record ever Made (by someone you > normally admire) (Sean Westergaard) > 13. Worst record by someone I normally love > (Samerivertwice(a)aol.com) > 14. Best out of worst (William Crump) > 15. Re: Townshend (TagYrIt(a)aol.com) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:34:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: Sunken heroes etc > From: skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> > To: Parry Gettelman <parry(a)macconnect.com>, > <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > on 6/30/02 7:03 PM, Parry Gettelman at > parry(a)macconnect.com wrote: > > > > Don Byron's "Nu Blaxploitation" was a > disappointment after "Bug Music." I > > suppose I should give it another chance, but I may > have traded it in.... > > who told don he needed a poet? interesting does not > always mean repeated > listens. in short -- don't bother > > > > Most disappointing solo album: former NRBQ > guitarist Al Anderson's "Pay > > Before You Pump." The choice of songs was poor -- > I'd gotten hold of a demo > > tape that had much better tunes on it - and the > production was exasperating. > > His "Party Favors" left me pretty lukewarm, too. > > Yeah -- how could write a song as great as "I Could > Do This All Night Long", > be the greatest white rock'n'roll singer since 1964, > have Tom Ardolino on > drums, and still sound dead from the dick up? > > Scary. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: JazzDr(a)aol.com > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:46:54 EDT > Subject: RE: when good artists make bad albums > To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > --part1_18d.a010f8d.2a511c9e_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > My first impression of the great pianist Andrew > Hill was on a cut-out > record my brother brought home many years ago. It > was called "From > California with Love". I don't even remember what > it sounded like but I do > remember it was awful. Jazz lite or something. > Nothing like the music I had > heard he was about. It took years before I heard > and appreciated him again. > > --part1_18d.a010f8d.2a511c9e_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY > BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: > #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" > LANG="0">    My first impression of > the great pianist Andrew Hill was on a cut-out > record my brother brought home many years ago.  > It was called "From California with Love".  I > don't even remember what it sounded like but I do > remember it was awful.  Jazz lite or > something.  Nothing like the music I had heard > he was about.  It took years before I heard and > appreciated him again.</FONT></HTML> > > --part1_18d.a010f8d.2a511c9e_boundary-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:39:41 -0300 > From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor(a)is2.dal.ca> > To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: worst plus reviews lindsay/Frisell > > What's the deal with the Willies - another > lacklustre > release from Frisell, or worth checking out? Also, > has anyone heard the new Arto Lindsay? Even if it > does just sound like his last few, is it still good? > > Continuing the worst album question - a different > question is - what album did you hear that you > thought was > absolute crap but then turned into an album that you > really > love? I remember the first time I heard the > Residents- Mark > of the Mole I was so disapointed/upset I grabbed the > needle > and scratched the record while it was playing - I > now am a huge > fan of the Residents (older stuff) and I have > listened to that > particular album many, many times and consider it > one of their best. > > Mike > > > > mike > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:28:57 -0700 > Subject: Re: worst plus reviews lindsay/Frisell > From: skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> > To: mwoodwor <mwoodwor(a)is2.dal.ca>, > <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > on 6/30/02 9:39 PM, mwoodwor at mwoodwor(a)is2.dal.ca > wrote: > > > > Continuing the worst album question - a different > > question is - what album did you hear that you > thought was > > absolute crap but then turned into an album that > you really > > love? > > TROUT MASK REPLICA. I was about 12 or 13, and I > bought it because of the > Zappa connection. I absolutely hated it, but > couldn't figure out why. I > kept playing it trying to find what was pissing me > off. Turned out to be > love at 20th sight. True love. > > sh > > NP: earth, wind & fire -- open our eyes > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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Re: burt bacharach
by Perfect Sound Forever 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:14:36 +0200 > From: Pom <pom(a)graougraou.com> > > The final tune of "Ground Zero plays standards" is "A Better Tomorrow" mixed > with "I Say A Little Prayer", but it's cheating, because it is actually based > on the Roland Kirk version! It is great nonetheless, as is the rest of the > album (I also think it was recently reissued, so it should be available). Agreed. A great cover and the rest of the album is definitely worth hearing. Other favorites there: "Those Were The Days" and "The Washington March" (aka the Monty Python theme). For Bacharach, I always thought Dionne Warwick (in her pre-psychic days) did his songs the most justice. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound(a)furious.com http://www.perfectsoundforever.com

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Bailey/Hemopheliac/Gift
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Arthur Gadney wrote, a few days ago (I'm catching up): Hello. > >>Derek Bailey - Pieces For Guitar > >(...) > >>Blimey! Wonder how Zorn got Bailey to let these be put out? If they were any good wouldn't DB have put them out on Incus ages ago? > >No, he wouldn't. This is from the Incus homepage: >The Incus vaults hold many so far unissued tapes and videos but its not known when, if ever, they might appear. Our preference is for new or recent recordings and there are usually too many of these in the pipeline to allow us time for rummaging around in the archives. > >Thanks. > Well, that certainly put me in my place. Whether it was intentional or not, this came across as a rude put down. I would expect better. Anyway, I don't take this as proof that "No, he wouldn't". Firstly, the Incus site merely states that their *preference* is for new or recent recordings. The way I read it, this does not preclude archival recordings. Secondly, someone obviously *has* been rummaging around in DB's private archive (presumably DB) otherwise these "personal" recordings would not have come to light. I can't put myself into DB's head, but if it were me and I had my own record label, my first preference would be to release it myself - like the Joseph Holbrooke Trio rehearsal extract. So I smell a rat. I may be wrong, but that's the reasoning behind it. All of you ignored my request for impressions of "Hemopheliac" so I'll ask again - should I spend two hours listening to it again, or sell it on the internet to some completist Patton fan (no doubt it's intended audience anyway)? And finally, someone (I deleted the email by mistake - sorry) asked about the Gift in London. We discussed this nearer the time, but I've appended my comments from then at thre bottom of this email if you're interested. I was surprised at the time that no-one commented on the point about Zorn playing the gig even though he didn't like performing "this kind of music", but then again no-one here (Steve Smith excepted) seems particularly interested in talking about Zorn anymore. Alastair "I was at this too, and I have to say I agreed mostly with the Guardian's point of view. I (more or less) stopped going to rock concerts because if I wanted to hear the CD, I could listen at home (in a chair) and the sound would probably be better. OK, the sound and chair arguments don't apply with the Barbican (or Barbi-kharn, as JZ called it) but you know where I'm coming from... It surprises me that people came to the gig expecting Zorn to play sax (as has been reported earlier). Have they not heard the CD? The fact that Zorn felt compelled to say that he didn't usually like playing this kind of music live spoke volumes - considering how many different projects he has on the go could he not have suggested that, much as those at the Barbican like The Gift that something else would be preferable? Reminds me of Spinal Tap's decision to play Jazz Odyssey in front of a festival audience ;>) I also thought it was a great shame that Dave Douglas came all the way over merely to play on one track, although the encore more than made up for it. Someone mentioned electric Miles; Ribot was very McLaughlin circa Jack Johnson, Jamie Saft finally got to let loose in a Chick Corea style and the percussionists gave it that Dark Magus feel. Hey Dave, you were at this too. Now you've had time to ponder, anything to add? " -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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DER TRIBUN by Mauricio Kagel?
by Patrice L. Roussel 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

In the booklet of HETEROPHONIE (Wergo), there is on the last page an ad for other records. Among a few, the following one is listed: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - DER TRIBUN/... NACH EINER LEKTURE VON ORWELL: Mauricio Kagel ???? - Wergo (Germany), WER 63052 (CD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does anybody know if it has already been released? Thanks, Patrice.

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