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Re: eminem
by RainDog138＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

this eminem thing is arguable the most foolish thing i have ever read on this list. eminem being credited for writing his own music is equally absurd. if anyone deserves the credit for his success it must be Dr. Dre. who actually creates (writes) all the music for that loser. all eminem does is come up with his typical 4th grade bull-shit lyrics and spit them out with the same nasally flow on top of dre's great production. i'd rather listen to an elvis or beatles record of them passing gas (or how bout them sleeping and snoring real loud?) than listen to any of eminem's shit-ass vocals. if you think that eminem has talent - you are the reason pop music went to shit in the first place. i pray to god this is a joke and i am the punchline. -mike ps - if you wanna praise singer-songwriters, how about tom waits, nick cave, bruce springsteen, johnny cash, willie nelson, etc...?

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Woyzeck
by Perfect Sound Forever 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Hi all, Just wanted to put in a plug for "Woyzeck" (the play by Robert Wilson, Tom Waits and Waits' wife Kathleen Brennan) that's ending its show run at Brooklyn Academy of Music this weekend I believe: <http://www.bam.org> Interesting mix of Waits' down-and-out sensibility, Brecht, cabaret and Wilson's great minimal set designs. The 'soundtrack' that Waits came out with earlier this year, "Blood Money," is a good one too. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound(a)furious.com http://www.perfectsoundforever.com

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Re: Electric Masada Last NIght
by Arthur Gadney 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Hi, > > Do you think so? Elvis' entire public life was one big act. He deserved >an > > Oscar for that performance. Perhaps, but the script was so weak. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: Electric Masada Last NIght
by patbor 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

>Do you think so? Elvis' entire public life was one big act. He deserved an >Oscar for that performance. everybody's public life is a big act, long before Elvis and even without bothering rockstars. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Brian Hickey <brianh(a)emagine-media.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:23:46 +0000 >> on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:34, Mike Chamberlain <mikec(a)rocler.qc.ca> wrote: >> >> He's already a better actor than Elvis. >> > > >Do you think so? Elvis' entire public life was one big act. He deserved an >Oscar for that performance. > >Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >

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Re: Electric Masada Last NIght
by Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

> From: "john schuller" <superbadassmofo(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Electric Masada Last Night > Is music supposed to create an emotional response in the > listener? Isn't this what was happening with this guy in the > crowd? So Zorn was doing his job right? So why rip into this guy > in that fashion if the music you are creating is kicking his ass? > Now I am one of the first people to get irritated at people > that do stupid shit at concerts (Talking, trying to start a mosh > pit etc.) But I have a feeling Zorn has put himself as more > important than his audience. I have to pay $22 fucking bucks to > watch you play for an hour, and your gonna yell at me? Fuck you. > Who is the employee in a situation where money is exchanged like > that? Not the audience. Is he that important? I thought he was > into hardcore music like the Accused? Now it seems to me like he > is a bitter old fuddy duddy that doesn't want people to enjoy his > music. (how fucking radical) He sure made me feel like he had > better things to be doing than hang with us. > If the ticket to that show wasn't so expensive I > would have walked out at that moment. Yes, well, if Zorn were Nina Simone, *HE* would've walked out that moment. Just four little words: Too many "classical" commissions. If it were up to me, I'd put the rowdy guy up on stage. And maybe spill some water on him. Perhaps that'd set an iffy precedent -- and perhaps this would begin a new idea where the rowdy people would get a special bench near the stage in the future -- but it may have be worth it for all the good humor. Last I heard, Electric Masada isn't exactly the world's most intimate band. But if they *Really* wanted to employ crowd control, they could've played a truly soft and subtle song after the rowdy one. Anyhow, let's see if Zorn gets invited back. :) And, while we're at it, let's see what happens with the COngress/Presidency in the next elections, and whether Eminem will still be compared to Elvis in 10 years. Thanks for sharing the story. Best, Lev -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin Please visit my website: ==> http://Ljova.com/ "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis

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Re: Electric Masada Outburst
by Nenad Georgievski 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

This is an excerpt from an interview with Marc Ribot where there was a question about a similar accident. AJ: One of my favorite live concert moments of all time was during a Bar Kokhba show at the Knitting Factory. Up in the VIP section of the balcony was the President of Czechoslovakia Vaclav Havel, Secretary of State Madeline Albright, Lou Reed, and tons of Secret Service agents. The VIP crowd was getting quite loud and talkative during the reflective and hauntingly beautiful music. Zorn yelled up to them. "Shut the fuck up and listen to the music you jive ass mother fuckers!" What memories do you have of that night? MR: (Enormous laughter) Oh boy. Well we almost got international fame. It just shows that you can be a human martyr, spend time in prison, and still get yelled at by John Zorn. It's only rock and roll.

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Electric Masada in NYC for free
by SonataPathetique＠aol.com 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

I got to see Masada for free last week at Tonic in NYC. It's very simple. All I did was stand outside in the lobby where everyone waits online to get in. You can see through the glass in the door and still hear every note almost as clear as if you were in the room. I was able to see Masada and still eat 3 meals that day. It was great.

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Re: zorn-list digest, Vol 1 #196 - 9 msgs
by D Dvb 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

>John Zorn is not a human jukebox. That idiot has no more right to deliver >a >blow-by-blow commentary than he has to tell John what tunes to play. It is >not the right of the any supervisor to make the task difficult for the >employee at hand. Sometimes I think the reason why some "difficult" music doesn't reach more people isn't because the average person can't understand it but rather the average person picks up on the snottiness and self-importance that radiates from SOME of the music/performers. >Making a good record is insanely hard work, even before you've played a >note. Find a time when the musicians, engineer, and studio are all >available is contracting work at its most basic, and is no fun. If you >want to see how easy it is to make records, come down to my place >next time I go to the studio. For your own safety, bring a whip, a chair, >a >gun, some Valium, Tagamit, and a cell phone. Skip, these statements seem a little whiny, no offense. If it's such hard work, then don't do it. There are many people who are working pretty damn hard just to play music without many of Mr. Zorn's benefits who would give up their soul (and are doing so) if they could perform in Europe, Japan, etc. What amount of hard work justifies getting to act like a certified asshole? --davy _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Wels festival
by Andreas Dietz 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

This yearÂ´s Wels festival (www.servus.at/w8) had probably the most wide spectrum of styles I ever witnessed at one weekend: at one point we heard a very loud and weird performance of Otomo and Eye where Otomo damaged his turntables by feet while Eye screaming in a funnel and these two guys attended a totally silent performance by Radu Malfatti and dieb13 the other afternoon where the only thing I was hearing was the digestion of my neighbour (donÂ´t know what they thought about it). Most interesting for me was the Peter BrÃ¶tzmann Quintet w/ Mats Gustafsson, Conny Bauer, William Parker and Hamid Drake. With this rhythm section nothing could get wrong! Another highlight was the Dutch-Chicago connection Skins & Strings w/ special guest Ken Vandermark - very intense. Very good sets were made by Lonberg-Holm, Kessler and Zerang and by Courvoisier, Olive and Mori. A bit dissapointing was John Butcher because there were lots of visuals and electronic distortion which diverted from his excellent sax playing. Nice vocals were presented by baskian singer Benat Achiary (very intense!) in a dedication to Peter Kowald (he was originally scheduled to play in duet with him) and Carla Bozulich with the Nels Cline Singers. Dirty hardcore hiphop was heard by the american band DÃ¤lek - more than expected! Another impressing concert was made by Markus HinterhÃ¤user who presented an interesting piece by Morton Feldman: For Bunita Marcus. Unfortunately the Ex Orkest was cancelled due to internal trouble within the Ex with the effect that Luc left the band. Andreas np: Les Diaboliques - Live At The Rhinefalls (Intakt) _________________________________________________________________ MessengerÂ - Â Wer in Echtzeit kommunizieren will, lÃ¤dt den MSN Messenger. Cool, kostenlos und mit 3D Emoticons: http://messenger.msn.de

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Re: Electric Masada
by DAN KUEHN 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Well, if the audience did sit in stunned silence, it could make for a great live CD... ////////john schuller said: It really created an uncomfortable silence after every other song, people would clap and then there would be absolute silence. Uncomfortable silence, not silence like at a classical concert. I am not sure what to make of this... ////////// Dan back on Maui, not expecting Electric Masada to appear within driving distance Now playing: Larry Young's FINALLY REISSUED Lawrence of Newark - YOW!!!!! A largely unheard classic.

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