- zorn-list - mailman.xmission.com

Re: this whole "creative" thing
by Crowmeat Bob 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

what about alt-pop? but every time I try to play it, I implode. could albert ayler be screamo-jazz? >From: "Mitch Tyo" <dexteron0(a)hotmail.com> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: this whole "creative" thing >Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:40:21 -0500 > >It's amazing how sick I am of all labels in general. Whether it's >'creative', 'pop-punk', 'indie-pop', 'post-rock', 'alt-rock', 'post-punk', >'avant-garde', 'sadcore', 'emo', 'grindcore', 'britpop', 'hard-pop', 'nu >metal' , 'post-lounge', 'ambient', 'hardcore', 'black metal', 'doom metal', >'death metal', 'dark metal' (yes, apparently there's a difference between >all these), 'jam band', 'stoner rock', 'garage', 'easy listening', 'noise', >'jazz', 'classical', 'folk', 'rock', 'pop' and so on. My attitude is that >a musician should just make the best music they can. Leave the labeling to >the critics, or better still, get rid of them all together. There are >better ways to describe music then to sort it into a genre. One of the >reasons I like John Zorn so much is that he doesn't fit into any one label, >ever (even though his music is commonly in the "jazz" section, for lack of >a better place to put it). > >The instant you put yourself into a genre is the instant you limit your >creativity. > >And as a moderately topical aside, I was in a bar the other day talking to >a self-proclaimed guitarist. I asked him some basic questions about scales >or something (since I aspire to play guitar myself), and his response was >"Oh, I don't know anything about music. But it's okay, since we're a >'noise' band." > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

2 1

did anyone see sonic youth w/ wilco?
by jason tors 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

I missed them in boston, they canceled and got mission of burma to play with wilco, I decided 35$ wasnt worth it reviews please, I have yet to check out sy live jt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

2 1

RE: creative music
by Oppenheim, Phil 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Probably no more so than "avant garde," especially when used to describe new releases or compositions by contemporary artists. on 6/30/03, Skip H wrote: >Is it me, or does anyone else find the term "creative music" condescending >and elitist? >sh

1 0

Ingram Marshall, Neil Campbell, Toshimaru Nakamura interviews
by Perfect Sound Forever 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Greetings, In the latest issue of Perfect Sound Forever <http://www.perfectsoundforever.com>, you'll find (among other things): NEIL CAMPBELL Makes a noiseful joy- one of the masterminds behind Vibracathedral Orchestra and collaborators with almost all of the English underground, he still finds time to share his thoughts with Jon Dale. INGRAM MARSHALL Electronic music, no tropes- in a recent interview, this unique composer describes his links to Indonesian music, non-worship of technology, so-called minimalists and the connection between music and 'spiritual matters.' TOSHIMARU NAKAMURA Sound student of the mixing board- Toyko improviser finds the best instrument to mix is the mixer itself. Interview with William Meyer. PEEVISH Loose collective performance art- more a concept(ual) than a band, this San Francisco 'group' creates and re-creates all manner of configurations for their 'shows.' Domenic Maltempi valiantly tries to untangle their story and almost succeeds. We're always looking for good writers and/or ideas so let us know if you have anything to share. See you online, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine with warped perspectives perfect-sound(a)furious.com http://www.perfectsoundforever.com

3 2

Re: Creative music
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

> >Zornlisters don't have tea parties. English Zornlisters do. With cucumber sandwiches and dainty cakes. At 5pm every day. Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

1 0

prefuse73 - One Word Extinguisher
by jason tors 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

hi, I am thinking about getting this but cant seem to find any clips to get a sound sample. Reviews have called it a breakup album [which sketches me out] his fist one, vocal studies & uprock narratives was really on, just wanted to get some feedback on this new one if anyone has some insight. thanks jt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

2 1

"Creative music"
by Craig Lieske 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

Hey guys, give this Pomegranate a chance. Nels Cline is on it, and I guarantee you the guitar parts are "creative". I haven't heard this thing, but if it's close to anything I heard Nels play last month at Tonic with Scott Amendola's quartet, then it has to great. During one section Nels ripped off the most amazing and, yes, that weak word again, "creative" solos I've ever heard anybody play in my life. I have played guitar for 20 years, and I've never heard anything like that before. The thing that bothers me about all this "criticism" on this list is that you people take such an adversarial stance against someone trying to do something musically. Sure, the language in the press release was a little blown out of proportion, but has anyone read an OBI strip on a Tzadik CD lately? I've been involved in experimental music one way or another for a long time and it is my firm belief that if someone is trying to stretch boundaries, however naively or poorly they try, these people deserve support, not scorn. Don't knock someone down for trying something new or different. It's funny how , in the rock world, bands like Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were universally scorned by critics in the 70's. Now these assholes arelining up to retro-sing praises to these guys. Save the hard line for the poor fuckers who deserve it. You like it or it doesn't move you. Save the fucking condescention for your next tea party! CL _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

4 4

RE: prefuse73 - One Word Extinguisher
by ahorton 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

>hi, I am thinking about getting this but cant seem to find any clips to >get a sound sample. Reviews have called it a breakup album [which >sketches me out] his fist one, vocal studies & uprock narratives was >really on, just wanted to get some feedback on this new one if anyone >has some insight. I think it's less impressive than "vocal studies..", and too much hullabaloo has been made over the "breakup record" thing. It really doesn't have a melancholy vibe or anything of the sort- it feels emotionless, if anything. I was expecting him to go "more" hip hop with this record, but it actually feels more "IDM-y" than the last one. andrew

1 0

Re: bass
by Matthew Garrington 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

One bassist to recommend . .... Michael Manring www.manthing.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

1 0

Re: Bass Players
by Ryan William Blum 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

A few more bassist recs: Aston Barrett on all the Bob Marley and the Wailers albums, especially Catch a Fire. Justin Meldal-Johnson with Beck (listen to him on Sea Change's "Paper Tiger"). Mike Gordon rocks with Phish, listen to something live or Story of the Ghost. Some of the tastiest work ever is Bhatiki Kumalo in Paul Simon's group. Rhythm of the Saints, Graceland, You're the One. Jaco is king, also check out Joni's Mingus, the self-titled Jaco Pastorius, and Pat Metheny's Bright Size Life. Skuli Sverrinson (sp?) with Jim Black's Alasnoaxis and Pachora has chops and does cool textural things. Ryan

1 0