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Re: Freak In
by MorMovies＠aol.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Just a thought- if you know how to listen to a particular piece or type of music, can you still not like it?

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Re: Critics (was: Re: Freak In)
by Kurt Gottschalk 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

>The music and the lack of graphics tools more expensive than an exacto >knife >not only typified punk rock, but also defined the aesthetic to the point >that the major label punk album covers sought to achieve the same look of >urban cheapness. Look at the first Clash cover, Never Mind The Bollocks, >ad >infinitum. And probably the best thing about punk rock was that people in >the audience could have that impact on the bands. > >You're right that glossiness is not an automatic mainstreaming factor. But >I would say it decreases the point-of-purchase impression of a breakaway >culture that punk rock actually achieved in nearly every facet of itself. in my heart i agree, and i cut my milkteeth on joe strummer's guitar, but sad as it might make us, skip, punk isn't the stuff of the now. trading casettes with xeroxed covers was then. now people can compose, perform, record and manufacture a record by themselves on a $1,000 laptop. anyone who wants to can put up as glam a website as they can muster for practically nothing. the diy ethic still exists, only the aesthetic has changed. whether or not it's for the better is a matter of taste (and perhaps of age). kg np: john zorn - voices in the wilderness _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: ICP tour dates
by Steve Smith 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Well, the wild card on this particular tour is tenor sax player Tobias Delius, who has not previously toured with the band and could add a great deal of interest. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com

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victoriaville fest
by Chad Stockdale 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

take a peak at the Victoriaville fest this May - Brotzmann and Parker trios playin' back to back! http://www.fimav.qc.ca/francais.html np: nosferatu s/t guitar wolf "run wolf run" the roots "phrenology" hession/wilkinson/fell "foom foom!" ne: carmelized apple mashed potatoes

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Re: Attn! ICP Orch. - Wed. 3/19 - in Seattle!!!
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

In a message dated 3/19/03 6:43:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, a_gadney(a)hotmail.com writes: > Hi, > > Is this part of a bigger tour? Anyway, if somebody manages to go and see > them, please post a comment afterwards!! > > Thanks! > > > A quick search on Google shows that ICP will be playing other dates in the Us, including Chicago and Vermont. That's all I could find. Any chance they'll be in upstate NY? Is there an ICP main page? Tom ______________________________________________________ Discs I'm listening to at work: Thomas Chapin -- Alive Duke Ellington -- The Complete Duke Ellington Vols 1-6

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RE: Critics (was: Re: Freak In)
by Kurt Gottschalk 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

> >> np: john zorn - voices in the wilderness > >What do you think? > > ah, reserving that until i must actually publish what i think (in an online amateur professional glossy cut and paste high rez zine). halfway through the first disc, tho, and i am enjoying it. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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ICP tour dates
by Dan Given 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Somebody asked about this: Mon March 17 Outpost Albuquerque, NM Wed March 19 Earshot Jazz Seattle, WA Fri March 21 Coastal Jazz & Blues Vancouver, BC Sat March 22 Yardbird Suite Edmonton, Alberta Mon March 24 Tonic New York, NY Tues March 25 Jazz Standard (Han/Misha/Dave Douglas) New York, NY Wed March 26 Empty Bottle (duos and trios) Chicago, IL ThursMarch 27 Hot House Chicago, IL Fri March 28 St. George The Martyr Toronto, Ontario Sat March 29 Kerrytown Concert House Ann Arbor, MI Tues April 1 Casa del Popolo Montreal, Quebec Wed April 2 Jazz East Halifax, NS ThursApril 3 National Library & Archives Ottawa, Ontario Fri April 4 Flynn Theater Burlington, VT I¹ll probably be seeing them on the 22nd (haven¹t decided I¹ve seen them several times, and while it is always a spectacular show, how many times does a person really need to see the same band?)

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re: Speaking of Critics
by Mark Saleski 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

i've gotta agree. it's a fun cd. it reminds me of my old grant green and wes montgomery organ trio records. with a little twist. and the recording starts out with a chord that i would swear wants to be the beginning of "Hard Day's Night". mark >Has anyone congratulated Skip H on his four-star review in DownBeat for >the Skip Heller Quartet's Homegoing? > >Haven't heard it, and have never been able to reconcile DB's stars with >my own, but still... Great to see any Z-listers get ahead. > -- Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

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Re: Attn! ICP Orch. - Wed. 3/19 - in Seattle!!!
by Arthur Gadney 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Hi, Is this part of a bigger tour? Anyway, if somebody manages to go and see them, please post a comment afterwards!! Thanks! >From: "the squeegee" <thesqueegee(a)attbi.com> >Reply-To: the squeegee <thesqueegee(a)attbi.com> >To: "Zorn List" <zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com>,"MMW List" ><MMW(a)LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>,"Saturn List" <SATURN(a)NIC.SURFNET.NL> >Subject: Attn! ICP Orch. - Wed. 3/19 - in Seattle!!! >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:29:38 -0800 > >Hi! I thought a last-minute heads-up about this >incredible can't-miss show would be welcome by >all of the Northwesterners who do not know that: > >Amsterdam's amazing ICP (Instant Composers Pool) >ORCHESTRA returns to Seattle! [Wed, March 19th!] > >"After seeing ICP tear down your perception of live jazz, >you might just walk away forever changed in your opinion >of live music. Seriously folks, they're that good." >- Jason Verlinde, Seattle Weekly > >The ICP ORCHESTRA >Wednesday, March 19, 2003 >8pm - Seattle Asian Art Museum* >*at Volunteer Park on Seattle's Capitol Hill >(admission/ticket/venue information located below) > >Founded by pianist Misha Mengelberg, drummer Hans >Bennink, and reed player Willem Breuker (three of >avant-jazz's most accomplished giants) in the late '60's, >the Dutch ICP ORCHESTRA collective has for more than >30 years showcased the work of groundbreaking >musicians. Combining swing and bebop by Ellington and >Monk with the music of Kurt Weill and Charles Ives, >European dance-band music, African-influenced rhythms, >ingenious free improvisations, astounding on-the-spot >compositions, and whatever new influences might be >coarsing through their relentlessly creative veins, ICP's >irreverent approach to "jazz" is laden with keen artistic >intelligence, loads of hard-earned experience, and topped >off by a modus operandi characterized by an open-minded >playfulness that has become nearly extinct among >musicians of the ICP ORCHESTRA's caliber. > >The ICP ORCHESTRA is an always unforgettably entertaining >big band, and one that's capable, on any given night, of >putting on the best live music concert you'll ever see. > >Current Personnel: >Pianist Misha Mengleberg, percussionist Han Bennink, >Saxophonist Tobias Delius, cellist Tristan Honsinger, >violinist Mary Oliver, bassist Ernst Glarum, trombonist >Walter Wierbos, trumpeter Thomas Heberer, and reed- >players Ab Baars and Michael Moore. > >This concert is presented by Earshot Jazz, Seattle's non- >profit jazz support and presenting organization. Tickets >are $14 general, with a discount for Seniors, students, >Earshot Jazz and Seattle Art Museum Members. Tickets are >available at Wall of Sound (2nd & Bell), Bud's Jazz >Records (1st and Jackson), and Earshot Jazz - by phone >at 206-547-6763 or online at http://www.earshot.org. > Venue website: >http://www.seattleartmuseum.org/visit/visitSAAM.asp > > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: Re: Critics (was: Re: Freak In)
by Steve Smith 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

There are actually quite a large number of grassroots jazz tabloids, from New York's All About Jazz to similar efforts from Vermont to Los Angeles. Those strike me as being far closer to zine culture than to mainstream press. But I also remember buying a Xeroxed Bay Area improv zine called Something Else about eight years ago... it even came with an exclusive cassette of folks like Crispell and Gino Robair. I think it's more widespread than we know, but perhaps it's not as prevalent in jazz as in rock. All I know is that when I was fresh out of college and back in Houston, I wanted to start such a zine myself, but lacked the manhours in which to do it. Story of my life. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Wagner, Tannhauser Overture - Concertgebouw/Mengelberg (Naxos) -------Original Message------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound(a)furious.com> Sent: 03/18/03 03:37 PM To: skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Critics (was: Re: Freak In) Even to this day, how many print jazz zines are there out there besides Signal To Noise? I'm sure I'm forgetting some but I don't think that there's many. Hope I'm wrong though.

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