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Re: DVD reissues and stuff
by thesubtlebody 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Tosh wrote: > Tokyo Drifter is great as well as Branded to Kill. > I think both has > interviews with its director Seijun Suzuki. One > (Branded to Kill) > has film posters collected by Zorn. In case this hasn't been mentione dyet, here is John Zorn's essay on Suzuki's BRANDED TO KILL, from the DVD liners: http://www.criterionco.com/asp/release.asp?id=38&eid=55&section=essay -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Contact to clubs in Seoul
by Fritz Feger 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Are there (jazz-) clubs in Seoul (South Corea) which could be interested to book a German trio for little or no money in early november? We are on tour with the Thalia Theatre (Hamburg) as stage musicians, and since we're over there anyway, why not play a gig? We could do some of our "Wurzelbehandlung" stuff. (Classical composers, film directors or other heroes of our youth treated like they deserve it...) For an example, listen to the Wurzelbehandlung Franz Schubert MP3s at http://www.fritzfeger.de/mp3.html. Thank you and all the best; Fritz ############################################## Fritz Feger mail(a)fritzfeger.de www.fritzfeger.de ##############################################

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Re: things I just don't get
by Fritz Feger 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Scott: >Reliable? Who wants music that is "reliably" >"precise", in just about _any_ sense of that word? [...] >I'm bothered by your view (as I >received it) that in order to appreciate something's >"precision", "reliability",and quality, in the context >of it's technique, then something NEEDS to be >codified from the get go. There is plenty of music >that is interesting to listeners, esp. critical >listeners, BECAUSE of its total lack of constancy in >precision and unreliability in terms of cleanness. This, to me, needs to be qualified. Of course it does not make any sense to make an "aesthetic" evaluation by comparing how good someone is at coming possibly close to a "gymnastic" optimum. But there is a meaning of the word "precision" which I think is a very good parameter of aesthetic evaluation, though never the only one. "Artistic Precision" could refer to the extent to which someone is capable to realize his ideas, to make his musical imagination become audible for someone else. The opposite term would be contingency. Someone whose audible outcomes are a result of anything but his very ideas cannot really be credited for what he sounds like. This is of course not to deny that the inexpectable, the accident, plays an eminent role. But if someone doesn't have control at least in REACTING upon the accident, it is a real punishment to be in the situation to play with him. By the way, this reminds me of a notion by Robert Musil. He speaks of "utopic exactness" as opposed to "pedantic exactness", and the former is, needless to say, a high ideal for his view of good artistic expression.. Fritz ############################################## Fritz Feger mail(a)fritzfeger.de www.fritzfeger.de ##############################################

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Things I just don't get
by Parry Gettelman 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

I not only don't get but can't stand Michael Jackson's "Thriller." It has always really annoyed me. I don't actually like any of his solo work -- tho I do like Robbie Fulks' cover of "Billie Jean." Speaking of Jacksons: possibly one of the best bad videos ever was Rebbie Jackson's "Hot." It was so cheesy, and of course the song was an absolute winner for wretchedness. The lyrics were hilariously putrid. "Like a centipede that's hhhhhhottttt...." Que? I also loved the way she emphasized the two consonants in "hot," she seemed to be confusing enunciation with sexiness. Just endearingly awful. Somebody should cover that, although replicating such tawdriness would probably be as tough as a approaching a Bacharach song. (Luther Vandross is the definitive Bacharach interpreter, IMHO -- tho New Orleans' own Glyn Styler brings a special decadence in his versions of Bacharach.) Jim O'Rourke never did anything for me, either. Yawn. Parry

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regarding haino
by sooooo spicy 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

i urge people to read the haino article... there's definitely context for the quote we've been discussing. i didn't feel it was being racist. i don't post to the list much... i just thought i'd say that, though. i thought the article was extremely interesting. and it's definitely given me a lot to think about regarding music, sound, and people in the universe. that specific quote i found as more of a "people should be aware of this changing that's going on"... not, "this is a terrible thing, this needs to stop." i think that awareness was a theme throughout the article. peace, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Starbucks and Japanese culture
by Ron Lettuce 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

> What I am worried about is the disappearence of the small unique > (ultra-cool) Japanese coffee shops - being replaced by Starbucks. > Yuck! First off, there were no Japanese coffee shops to be replaced (a really insignificant number) Coffee houses are a very new phenomena in Japan and what you are seeing is a springing up and not a supplantation. And unlike the Europeans who fight not to have malls erected in thier countries, the Japanese vehemently applaud the installation of the Kentucky-fried-Gap culture. mushmush --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access

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re: Mori
by Lev 'Ljova' Zhurbin 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

From: "Andrew" <ahorton(a)vt.edu> >I'd just like to take this moment to proclaim Ikue Mori the most overrated, >inessential, faux-highbrow performer in modern music. The woman uses drum >machines (and now "laptop"- but WHAT PROGRAM? I'm SO SICK OF people just >listing "laptop" as their instrument. The laptop doesn't matter- it's what >programs are used!) to make horribly uninteresting music, then cooks up >pages of FAUX-highbrow jargon and bullshit schematics to "explain" her >music. "The matrix array of variables allows for infinite improvisation in a >non-static context" and blahblahblah BULLSHIT. If Mori had any guts, she's >say "Uhh, I have a laptop with a bunch of samples and I tweak and program >them into rhythms and stuff" instead of this bullshit highbrow posturing. > >You want someone who makes amazing music with "laptop"? Check out Cex. Fuck >Mori. I haven't heard any Cex., can you recommend any particular album? As far as Mori goes, I'd like to proclaim Mori as one of the more magical figures downtown. Everytime I've heard her play at Tonic (whether with Zeena Parkins, Company, Zorn, etc.) has been an *incredible* delight. Her sounds always make the evening for me. -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin Please visit my website: ==> http://Ljova.com/ "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis

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Ikue
by Theo Klaase 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

I agree, Ikue Mori is way, way overrated. I've seen her live and she's still a bore. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: Boredoms & Cale in London
by Rob Young 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

The first in a series of events celebrating 20 years of The Wire starts this weekend: JOHN CALE & THE BOREDOMS Saturday 13 July at 8.00pm Royal Festival Hall Japanese thrash stars THE BOREDOMS roll into town for one night only. Experimental rock/punk/tribal shamanism tinged with more than a hint of surrealism, THE BOREDOMS' beautifully crafted chaos has been admired for the past two decades, with John Zorn, Julian Cope and Sonic Youth amongst their many fans. Few artists display such head-first propulsive madness. Musical visionary JOHN CALE headlines the evening with a characteristically exploratory set. The dark star of the Velvet Underground, the producer of the Stooges, Squeeze, the Modern Lovers and Patti Smith, Cale also has an unparalleled reputation as a songwriter and experimentalist. His influence on musicians today continues unabated (Mercury Rev are the latest band to pay homage with a version of Cale's Close Watch). This concert is part of the Rhythm Sticks festival at the Royal Festival Hall. Tickets: £12.50, £15 and £17.50 Box Office 020 7960 4242 www.rfh.org.uk/rhythmsticks Hope to see you there, The Wire -- _______________________________________ Rob Young Editor THE WIRE: Adventures In Modern Music 2nd Floor East 88-94 Wentworth Street London E1 7SA UK Tel 020 7422 5010 Fax 020 7422 5011 Direct line 020 7422 5012 http://www.thewire.co.uk _______________________________________

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Re: Japanese Ur-Fascist?
by Mikhail Abraham 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

I also haven't read the interview, and I'm days behind on the digests here, but: "Personally I thought it was quite harsh stuff, not to different from wellknown nazi propaganda. But I still like Haino's music, so I guess again it rases the old question where to draw the line. Would you buy CDs with neo-nazi bands, if you liked their sweet melodies?" I would agree that, "We are talking about a culture much different than our own (I'm speaking as an American citizen, for reference)." I think it is different from Nazi propaganda in one important aspect. Nazi's claimed that there was some sort of zionist plot to corrupt the German gene pool with Jew blood, yet Jew's where a minority and Jewish culture was not the dominant culture. Japan however, has actually been "invaded" and taken over by a dominant foreign power who stripped Japan of it's government and the religious beliefs tied up in that government. Seen in the light of emperialist artists like Yukio Mishima, Keiji's supposed remarks seem more understandable, if more marginal. But it definitely sounds racist. I, myself, may buy music by Nazi's, if their melodys where "pretty" (or whatever I look for), as long as there weren't political lyrics. I like the melody to "These Boots Are Made For Walking," but if you change the words to, "One of these days there gonna stomp all over Jews," (as I've heard) it kindof ruins it (I only listen to "Only A Lad" by Oingo Boingo about twice a year, only because of the lyrics). I still watch movies that are only about straight people, I guess I can listen to Nazis. _____________________________________________________________ May peace be the founding unity of all ideologies. May compassion reign in times of fear and anger. All peoples ought to prosper despite the power and greed of few. This can only be accomplished if we all work together and if everyone counts. _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email(a)yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag

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