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by Kurt Gottschalk 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

8pm Illegal Art: Evolution Control Committee plus Spin-17 plus Christian Marclay and Mark Hosler $12 107 norfolk, nyc Admission includes a free, limited edition illegal art cd (eaturing "illegal" tracks from Public Enemy, Negativland, John Oswald, the Beastie Boys, and more). Evolution Control Committee: The Evolution Control Committee is a "band", but probably like none youve ever seen or heard. No drums. No guitar. No bass. The ECC deals with the budding field of "Media Ecology" -- recycling the sounds around you. Sound collage, media pranksterism, a cavalcade of sampling... in the world of The ECC, Public Enemy duke it out with Herb Alpert while Dan Rather is the new frontman for AC/DC. It is humorous without being comedy, sample-based without being techno, and brainy without being arty. Spin-17: Spin-17 is a duo project that mixes improvisation with experimental composition (with a little bit of punk thrown in for fun). Mix together the worst records from Salvation Army, the contents of a Toys 'R' Us electronics department, some down-home reed chawin' clarinet, the evil ghost of Betty Boop, and some Ante-diluvian anvil-guitar-plunking. Bake for 5 minutes and swallow quickly. Christian Marclay and Mark Hosler: Mark from pioneering sound collagists Negativland meets pioneering turntablist Christian Marclay. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: eminem
by Kurt Gottschalk 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

>I don't think the Beatles created that mindset -- they were always giving >it >up to Elvis, The Everly's, Motown and other non-writing artists etc -- me facetiousicity aside, what i meant was the postbeatle demands of poor dumb guitarists who just wanted to drink and get laid. >NP: ellery eskelin: the sun died excellent album _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: eminem
by Steve Smith 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:47:19 -0800 skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > You look at Christina > or Britney, you start to > think about how the Monkees weren't such a bad > deal. Actually, when I *look* at them, the Monkees are the last thing that crosses my mind. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Schoenberg, A Survivor from Warsaw - Bamberg Sym/Metzmacher (EMI) P.S. Enimem isn't the revelatory hero that some media are making him out to be - but his raw talent is genuine and undeniable. Sorry.

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Re: revisionism
by Crowmeat Bob 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

>And don't you think that people like us will say exactly the same of >Britney/Christina in twenty years? Don't know about 'people like us', but I sure as hell won't. And I've witnessed plenty of musical resurrections that I would rather had been left entombed. I had to listen to Pat Benatar "classics" when I was out for pizza last week and was intensely reminded of why I never liked her in the first place. And I could probably live the rest of my life never hearing another Mozart piece and not feel like I was missing anything. Except maybe the Requiem. But I've probably heard that enough anyway. >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> >To: skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> >CC: Nvinokur(a)aol.com, ecstasymule(a)hotmail.com, >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com, proussel(a)ichips.intel.com >Subject: Re: eminem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:00:39 -0800 > >On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:47:19 -0800 skip Heller wrote: > > > > If you've heard aetano Veloso's FINA ESTAMPA, you see how there's still >room > > for interpretive genius. You look at Christina or Britney, you start to > > think about how the Monkees weren't such a bad deal. > >And don't you think that people like us will say exactly the same of >Britney/Christina in twenty years? > >If you consider TV and entertainment, we can be sure that the "worse" is >never >reached; there is always room for improvement... That means that looking >back >at the past, with the help of nostalgia, kitsh, renewed interest, relecture >of >history, etc, and what we perceive as the sad state of current incarnations >of entertainment, it is almost impossible to find a bad old artist :-). >Everything from the past can be defended from one angle or another. On the >other side the debate rages on current artists, due to total lack of >perspective and confusion about the target of the product. > > Patrice (guilty of dismissing current artists). > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: songwriters
by Crowmeat Bob 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

>- if you wanna praise singer-songwriters, how about tom waits, nick cave, >bruce springsteen, johnny cash, willie nelson, etc...? right on, brothers and sisters. Off the top o me head, I might add will oldham, chuck d, bob dylan, neil young, geeshie wiley, charley patton, king buzzo, the carter family, willie dixon, memphis minnie.... dadgummit. fuck eminem in the ear. and all you have to do is listen to Jiimie Dale Gilmore's interpretation of 'Baghavan Decreed' to know how valid singing someone else's song is. Or Billie Holiday doing 'Strange Fruit'. Shit. and, man, that Scotty Moore can play. --crawmote _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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lennon on elvis, all praise eminem
by mwisckol＠ocregister.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

When Elvis died, they asked John Lennon what he thought about it. "Elvis died when he went into the Army," Lennon said. Sam Phillips of Sun Studio said, "If I could find a white boy who could sing like that, I could make a million dollars." Elvis, through some mojo and a deal made at the crossroads, translated "that" for white audiences. Eminem is an impressive rhymer with emotionally potent content. I don't have any of his albums and it's not really my cup of tea, but I can't understand those who dismiss him as talentless. Martin np. si-cut.db -- enthusiast nr. 16 pleasures

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eminem = god
by those were the dayz 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

dont you understand elvis destroyed modern music as we know it? _________________________________________________________________ Surf voor nieuws, fileinformatie & entertainment naar MSN http://www.msn.nl/intmap/default.asp

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eminem
by D Dvb 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

>if you think that eminem has talent - you are the reason pop music went to >shit in the first place. > >i pray to god this is a joke and i am the punchline. > >-mike >ps - if you wanna praise singer-songwriters, how about tom waits, nick >cave, bruce springsteen, johnny cash, willie nelson, etc...? If you don't dig eminem, then don't. But leave the snotty judgements in their holster. Personally, I like Eminem more than Tom Waits (Beefheart-lite?) or Springsteen (Dylan-lite?). But I did always think that pop music was my own personal toilet and I get the runs sometimes, you know? --davy _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: eminem
by TagYrIt＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/13/2002 3:01:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, RainDog138(a)aol.com writes: > Subj:Re: eminem > Date:11/13/2002 3:01:34 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:RainDog138@aol.com">RainDog138(a)aol.com</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:SonataPathetique@aol.com">SonataPathetique(a)aol.com</A>, <A HREF="mailto:zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com">zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > this eminem thing is arguable the most foolish thing i have ever read on > this list. > Actually, I think you're being TOO tactful and generous. Dale.

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Re: eminem
by RainDog138＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

this eminem thing is arguable the most foolish thing i have ever read on this list. eminem being credited for writing his own music is equally absurd. if anyone deserves the credit for his success it must be Dr. Dre. who actually creates (writes) all the music for that loser. all eminem does is come up with his typical 4th grade bull-shit lyrics and spit them out with the same nasally flow on top of dre's great production. i'd rather listen to an elvis or beatles record of them passing gas (or how bout them sleeping and snoring real loud?) than listen to any of eminem's shit-ass vocals. if you think that eminem has talent - you are the reason pop music went to shit in the first place. i pray to god this is a joke and i am the punchline. -mike ps - if you wanna praise singer-songwriters, how about tom waits, nick cave, bruce springsteen, johnny cash, willie nelson, etc...?

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