G'day to everyone Just put up with this one long post, I promise never again :^) How fantastic it is to be back to being a part of this list. I have been reading all along but time has just been unavailable until now. Firstly a massive thanks to Jon and Greg who teamed up to bring some amazing stuff of late, I thank you both for taking the time it has taken you both to plan and make this all happen. I'm so glad Greg that you got to go; it's something you can never forget. And what about that documentary, that was great every single word. LOL Those clips of Boris and Dieter in the early day's studio were excellent. Julz had some pretty amazing photos of him and Boris in their modern studio, so it was interesting just to see how things had changed. Good quality capture too thanks heaps guys. Nice pics as well. Yello are still quite amazing, Dieter's eccentricity is magical and Boris's musical capabilities are second to none; no wonder they make such a magical combo. Yello still get a lot of attention from me, even after at least 20 years of listening Yello I never get sick of hearing them. Every so often a baby comes into your life and you get distracted so to speak. The remasters sound incredible, they have so much depth it almost sounds surreal. It's truly incredible the difference you can notice, even on the shittiest sounding laptop it still sounded great. On a nice sound system though there is base to rival any other piece of music, absolutely picture rattling, neighbor pissing off tool for sure. I am quite confident in assuming that Boris would have been almost completely responsible for these releases. Jon, GRC and Brian all of you and probably all the rest of you will know if these improvements in sound are solely due to improvement in technology, both in the hardware's ability to master the tracks and our quality of audio gear to listen to it. My question is this; how can the original masters be improved upon, I would have presumed that even audiophiles consider vinyl to have an awesome depth and extremely capable and reproducing most bandwidths that the majority of us could hear anyway, in which case these new sounding track sound so much better, why? I appreciate that many of you have not heard them yet so you'll have to accept that it is that good. Anyway they will be released very soon and we can all shell out some more dough. Daniel, how cool is that move dance mix, you have the knack mate. Every one of your mixes has been so good. You had an offer to make some money mate what a compliment hey. Good on you mate. Jonas, How's the book mate? Anyway enough yada yada I'll be contributing more often now and no more big posts, I know we all hate them. Bye Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 06/10/2005
Yes It was done in the Yello studios. I'm not sure if I'm aloud to say but there are more re-masters coming! I simply love the new re-masters. They have a giant sound-stage. The difference is huge especially on the first 3 albums. It truly is surreal when you listen to them. Julian On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Paul Jones wrote:
I am quite confident in assuming that Boris would have been almost completely responsible for these releases.
I would imagine that the masters were saved on DAT (for plane Jane folks, that's Digital Audio Tape). Something that was around then, but not affordable to the 'common man'. I would imagine that as the early work was created in part with a 'FAIRLIGHT' (model III i think), the additional expense of owning a DAT would be minimal, and yet necessary for archiving the creations. Thus, the originals were (probably) not converted to Analogue except to master the vinyl, or release the 'CASSETTE' tapes (anyone remember those?), rendering the original material as crisp and clean as possable, without any tape hiss (anyone listen to the original CD release of Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON? OK, that was a cheep stab at connecting YELLO, to PINK FLOYD, but listening to that, even though it was on CD, the origial master was on Reel to Reel tape, and the tape hiss is deafining! It was so bad, that they had to re-record the album to allow it to be enjoyed on CD. This might explane the great sound quality of the Remaster Series. Trivia Question now, What was the first ever released DDD Rock n' Roll album released? Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy (thegripguy@rogers.com) All your gymnastics grip needs right here! Abolish Daylight Savings Time; it's past its usefulness, and I'm tired. On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Paul Jones wrote:
My question is this; how can the original masters be improved upon, I would have presumed that even audiophiles consider vinyl to have an awesome depth and extremely capable and reproducing most bandwidths that the majority of us could hear anyway, in which case these new sounding track sound so much better, why? I appreciate that many of you have not heard them yet so you'll have to accept that it is that good. Anyway they will be released very soon and we can all shell out some more dough.
Actually the re-masters came from the old real to real multitrack tape (don't know the proper name for this type of tape). I guess the tapes have been in really bad shape. They would play the tape over and over again until the tempo didn't fluctuate. Then he would record the old recording and re-master it. He said that after a few tries the tape head would get gummy material on the playyhead coming of the tape. After that he just stores it on hard drive and backs it up on CD and DVD. Be glad they're doing this so the originals can be preserved. julian On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Laurens van Graft wrote:
I would imagine that the masters were saved on DAT (for plane Jane folks, that's Digital Audio Tape). Something that was around then, but not affordable to the 'common man'. I would imagine that as the early work was created in part with a 'FAIRLIGHT' (model III i think), the additional expense of owning a DAT would be minimal, and yet necessary for archiving the creations. Thus, the originals were (probably) not converted to Analogue except to master the vinyl, or release the 'CASSETTE' tapes (anyone remember those?), rendering the original material as crisp and clean as possable, without any tape hiss (anyone listen to the original CD release of Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON? OK, that was a cheep stab at connecting YELLO, to PINK FLOYD, but listening to that, even though it was on CD, the origial master was on Reel to Reel tape, and the tape hiss is deafining! It was so bad, that they had to re-record the album to allow it to be enjoyed on CD. This might explane the great sound quality of the Remaster Series.
Trivia Question now, What was the first ever released DDD Rock n' Roll album released? Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy (thegripguy@rogers.com) All your gymnastics grip needs right here!
Abolish Daylight Savings Time; it's past its usefulness, and I'm tired.
On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Paul Jones wrote:
My question is this; how can the original masters be improved upon, I would have presumed that even audiophiles consider vinyl to have an awesome depth and extremely capable and reproducing most bandwidths that the majority of us could hear anyway, in which case these new sounding track sound so much better, why? I appreciate that many of you have not heard them yet so you'll have to accept that it is that good. Anyway they will be released very soon and we can all shell out some more dough.
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When I majored in Radio-Television-Film at the University of Texas back in the eighties, we had reel-to-reel stereo and eight-tracks ( not 8 track tapes, but big wide reel tapes that had eight tracks of simultaneous music recorded ). Nowadays even the "poor" high schools in town have all the digital tools that just blow me away. I feel so old ... As an aside, when I was in middle school, I used a cassette recorder to record myself playing 1st Clarinet (of a quartet), then played that with my sister's cassette recorder and played 2nd Clarinet along with the first recording, recording back on the first tape recorder. Like that. It sounded awful! But even before I discovered Yello and electronic music, I was goofing around with it. We must just be born this way! -----Original Message----- From: yello-bounces+tourguide=austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces+tourguide=austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Julian Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 6:13 PM To: The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful. Subject: Re: [Yello] Yello from Oz Actually the re-masters came from the old real to real multitrack tape (don't know the proper name for this type of tape). I guess the tapes have been in really bad shape. They would play the tape over and over again until the tempo didn't fluctuate. Then he would record the old recording and re-master it. He said that after a few tries the tape head would get gummy material on the playyhead coming of the tape. After that he just stores it on hard drive and backs it up on CD and DVD. Be glad they're doing this so the originals can be preserved. julian On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Laurens van Graft wrote:
I would imagine that the masters were saved on DAT (for plane Jane folks, that's Digital Audio Tape). Something that was around then, but not affordable to the 'common man'. I would imagine that as the early work was created in part with a 'FAIRLIGHT' (model III i think), the additional expense of owning a DAT would be minimal, and yet necessary for archiving the creations. Thus, the originals were (probably) not converted to Analogue except to master the vinyl, or release the 'CASSETTE' tapes (anyone remember those?), rendering the original material as crisp and clean as possable, without any tape hiss (anyone listen to the original CD release of Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON? OK, that was a cheep stab at connecting YELLO, to PINK FLOYD, but listening to that, even though it was on CD, the origial master was on Reel to Reel tape, and the tape hiss is deafining! It was so bad, that they had to re-record the album to allow it to be enjoyed on CD. This might explane the great sound quality of the Remaster Series.
Trivia Question now, What was the first ever released DDD Rock n' Roll album released? Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy (thegripguy@rogers.com) All your gymnastics grip needs right here!
Abolish Daylight Savings Time; it's past its usefulness, and I'm tired.
On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Paul Jones wrote:
My question is this; how can the original masters be improved upon, I would have presumed that even audiophiles consider vinyl to have an awesome depth and extremely capable and reproducing most bandwidths that the majority of us could hear anyway, in which case these new sounding track sound so much better, why? I appreciate that many of you have not heard them yet so you'll have to accept that it is that good. Anyway they will be released very soon and we can all shell out some more dough.
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On 07/10/05, Laurens van Graft <lvangraft@mac.com> wrote:
I would imagine that the masters were saved on DAT (for plane Jane folks, that's Digital Audio Tape). Something that was around then, but not affordable to the 'common man'. I would imagine that as the early work was created in part with a 'FAIRLIGHT' (model III i think), the additional expense of owning a DAT would be minimal, and yet necessary for archiving the creations. Thus, the originals were (probably) not converted to Analogue except to master the vinyl, or release the 'CASSETTE' tapes (anyone remember those?), rendering the original material as crisp and clean as possable, without any tape hiss
OK, well definitely in the UK today if you are to release vinyl or CD, then it must start to the record company on a DAT 44.1 (but 48k is acceptable to some companies) I know this, I do it.
(anyone listen to the original CD release of Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON? OK, that was a cheep stab at connecting YELLO, to PINK FLOYD, but listening to that, even though it was on CD, the origial master was on Reel to Reel tape, and the tape hiss is deafining! It was so bad, that they had to re-record the album to allow it to be enjoyed on CD.
Subtle difference. Remaster generally infers that the started with the best copy, be this the original multitrack, requiring (effectively) a remix, or the final 2 track mixdown if this is of sufficient quality, but any remix from the multitracks may introduce errors from the original mix. Yes I know dark side, and I own an SQ quadraphonic version, and the kit to listen to it, and this is signicficantly different from the 5:1 DTS version which does not have discrete rear channels as the SQ system does. So which is the original mix? Pink Floyd only authorized the 1973 stereo mix by Alan Parsons, The same Alan went on to mix the quad version but without the Floyd involvement. If we are now listening to a 5:1 DTS or a remix from the multitrack by someone else, which is the original? Does it matter?
This might explane the great sound quality of the Remaster Series.
Led Zepplin remasters came from Jimmy Page, so are reasonably faithful. In this case Yello again have remastered, so I'd expect cosher mixes, but accept the possibility it isn't quite how I remember the vinyl hitting my stylus. And you can hear tape hiss on vinyl!
Trivia Question now, What was the first ever released DDD Rock n' Roll album released?
Um dunno, I know Dire Straits made a big thing of "Brothers In Arms", but we still ended up with an original DDD disk getting the remaster treatment, what's all that about then? (Yes I know it's HDCD). On the subject of tape hiss, as I said you generally can hear it on vinyl if you have a good enough and clean enough copy, but it can also serve as as useful dither for digital signals, improving the rendition of the audio. In some cases it is also somewhat "romantic" in the way you remember a sound, even down to the pop or click of a record, and filtering that out from a digital transfer does sometimes feel like you've lost the spirit of that sound, and it's been said to me by others. My copy of blue-green has tracking distortion on the vinyl. This was the track that started me on my Yello odyssey. I have the original CD release, and, it just doesn't sound the same to me, I wonder how the remaster will leave me feeling? Nic.
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DING DING DING, We Have A Winner!!!! Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy (thegripguy@rogers.com) All your gymnastics grip needs right here! Abolish Daylight Savings Time; it's past its usefulness, and I'm tired. On Oct 8, 2005, at 7:00 AM, Nic wrote:
Trivia Question now, What was the first ever released DDD Rock n' Roll album released?
Um dunno, I know Dire Straits made a big thing of "Brothers In Arms", but we still ended up with an original DDD disk getting the remaster treatment,
In some cases it is also somewhat "romantic" in the way you remember a sound, even down to the pop or click of a record, and filtering that out from a digital transfer does sometimes feel like you've lost the spirit of that sound, and it's been said to me by others.
There is definetely a memory of how the music sounds from the original source that you heard it from. I too have a vast catalogue of music (albeit some people might not call it that) archived on Vinyl, and remember the pop's and skating of certain tracks. many times I would return to the store and get a replacement. One in perticular was drilled off-centre, oh, that just drove me crazy!, as the folks in the store didn't have as good an 'Ear' and couldn't hear the pitch and tempo speeding up, and slowing down over and over an over. I think they exchanged the copy eventually just to keep me quiet. (and comming back, there was a time when I was dropping $100.00 to $150.00 a week on music
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