I know Mondays are typically depressing enough but here's some sad news from the wake of hurricane Ivan. The pictures tell a sad story... apparently the place had just completed a major remodel couple of weeks ago... http://www.papa.org/flood.php Remodeling complete http://www.papa.org/progress/09-01-04/P1010039.JPG Post Ivan Damage http://www.papa.org/flood/day1/IMG_1703.jpg
On Monday, September 20, 2004 10:55 AM, Bert Ankrom <> sprang to life and wrote:
I know Mondays are typically depressing enough but here's some sad news from the wake of hurricane Ivan. The pictures tell a sad story... apparently the place had just completed a major remodel couple of weeks ago...
Oddly enough, the Fish Tales and WaterWorld pins are still in perfect condition. :) Sean
Yeah, I've been tracking this on RGP. As a pinmonkey (I'm only a "somtimes" vidmonkey) This makes me sad. Kevin is saying that he wants money to go to the Red Cross and not him. A stand up guy. Hopefully they are able to reclaim some of the problems. On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Bert Ankrom wrote:
I know Mondays are typically depressing enough but here's some sad news from the wake of hurricane Ivan. The pictures tell a sad story... apparently the place had just completed a major remodel couple of weeks ago...
Remodeling complete http://www.papa.org/progress/09-01-04/P1010039.JPG
Post Ivan Damage http://www.papa.org/flood/day1/IMG_1703.jpg
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:56:32AM -0600, Chris Hardy wrote:
Yeah,
I've been tracking this on RGP. As a pinmonkey (I'm only a "somtimes" vidmonkey) This makes me sad. Kevin is saying that he wants money to go to the Red Cross and not him. A stand up guy. Hopefully they are able to reclaim some of the problems.
Out of curiosity how did they finance the original PAPA? The place looks like a dream come true (well aside from the lack of vids).
Are you talking about the entire history? ;) Brian Epstien started it all in the Broadway Arcade in New York.
From then on, they had it in New York until the Broadway was shut down. He had it once in LV, then gave up.
Then comes along Kevin Martin, VP of The Steel City Pinball Assoc. He decided to revive PAPA. He formed a Corp, and owns/or acquired almost everyone of those 200 machines. I believe he also leased the building. But it's most of his collection. Finance: Well, originally, all the pins were owned by the operator. It's kind of like the same it is today. You put into the pot, and someone comes out 10,000 richer. I just wish there were west coast versions of this ;) On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Pete Ashdown wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:56:32AM -0600, Chris Hardy wrote:
Out of curiosity how did they finance the original PAPA? The place looks like a dream come true (well aside from the lack of vids).
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I just wish there were west coast versions of this ;)
The major reason there was a never major west-coast pin industry was because of the cost of labor and doing business in CA. I talked to Nolan Bushnell about this at CGE2003...he said that there was no way they could have ever made anything except novelty pinballs, because of the high cost of labor (in the early days) and the environmental cost in later days. In order to compete with the lower labor costs in Chicago, they had to sell expensive, high-profit games. So the west coast industry center just never really developed much of a pin industry...I suspect that's why the big following is in the east, just as the huge video shows are in California. -Chris
Well, the pinball hall of fame will be in Las Vegas. There are big collections on the "west side" ;) Me, I'm just trying to find more DMD pins. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Christopher Strong wrote:
I just wish there were west coast versions of this ;)
The major reason there was a never major west-coast pin industry was because of the cost of labor and doing business in CA.
I talked to Nolan Bushnell about this at CGE2003...he said that there was no way they could have ever made anything except novelty pinballs, because of the high cost of labor (in the early days) and the environmental cost in later days.
In order to compete with the lower labor costs in Chicago, they had to sell expensive, high-profit games. So the west coast industry center just never really developed much of a pin industry...I suspect that's why the big following is in the east, just as the huge video shows are in California.
-Chris
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Yeah, but I got the impression that the extreme was more of a "Show off the goods" kind of convention, rather than a tourney? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Pete Ashdown wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 11:25:13PM -0600, Chris Hardy wrote:
I just wish there were west coast versions of this ;)
California Extreme, although not permanent puts the former PAPA collection to shame.
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 09:57:27AM -0600, Chris Hardy wrote:
Yeah, but I got the impression that the extreme was more of a "Show off the goods" kind of convention, rather than a tourney?
They do have a pin competition and a few videogame competitions, but probably not to the extent that PAPA had.
For me, I'd have a blast. I wish the Pinball Museum would get built in Las Vegas soon ;) On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Pete Ashdown wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 09:57:27AM -0600, Chris Hardy wrote:
Yeah, but I got the impression that the extreme was more of a "Show off the goods" kind of convention, rather than a tourney?
They do have a pin competition and a few videogame competitions, but probably not to the extent that PAPA had.
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