Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Thought you were waiting until 2016 to bait me again. ☺ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man. Just sayin.... From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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I haven't completely ruled-out going on Joe's bus, but it's not the highest option on my list. After hearing Lowell at the SLAS meeting, I'm considering booking a room at the ALCON hotel, arriving a bit early and maybe staying a day or two afterwards to avoid the crowds on the roads. Having my own car will make me MUCH more mobile than the bus, with a quicker reaction time, in case of localized clouds. I also want to wait and see if there are two seats available on any private aircraft that may be headed up that way for just a day trip. I plan on keeping my equipment load to a minimum. Probably take the Teletrack alt-az GoTo and a small-aperture tandem setup, both white light and H-a on the same mount. I want to shoot a continuous HD video, then I can grab individual frames for stacking stills later on, and don't have to be constantly messing with a still camera. It can just sit there and run while I watch with my eyes. Total equipment weight under 30 lbs. I may roll-up a white sheet and stuff it in my equipment bag, to lay on the ground to try and see shadow bands. And a list of local bars if the whole western US is clouded-out. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
I have to admit -- as much as I hate to -- that Chuck may be onto a good solution. Maybe I'll just shut about a bus from now on. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview I haven't completely ruled-out going on Joe's bus, but it's not the highest option on my list. After hearing Lowell at the SLAS meeting, I'm considering booking a room at the ALCON hotel, arriving a bit early and maybe staying a day or two afterwards to avoid the crowds on the roads. Having my own car will make me MUCH more mobile than the bus, with a quicker reaction time, in case of localized clouds. I also want to wait and see if there are two seats available on any private aircraft that may be headed up that way for just a day trip. I plan on keeping my equipment load to a minimum. Probably take the Teletrack alt-az GoTo and a small-aperture tandem setup, both white light and H-a on the same mount. I want to shoot a continuous HD video, then I can grab individual frames for stacking stills later on, and don't have to be constantly messing with a still camera. It can just sit there and run while I watch with my eyes. Total equipment weight under 30 lbs. I may roll-up a white sheet and stuff it in my equipment bag, to lay on the ground to try and see shadow bands. And a list of local bars if the whole western US is clouded-out. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
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I have to admit -- as much as I hate to -- that Chuck may be onto a good solution. Maybe I'll just shut about a bus from now on. -- Joe
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I haven't completely ruled-out going on Joe's bus, but it's not the highest option on my list. After hearing Lowell at the SLAS meeting, I'm considering booking a room at the ALCON hotel, arriving a bit early and maybe staying a day or two afterwards to avoid the crowds on the roads. Having my own car will make me MUCH more mobile than the bus, with a quicker reaction time, in case of localized clouds. I also want to wait and see if there are two seats available on any private aircraft that may be headed up that way for just a day trip.
I plan on keeping my equipment load to a minimum. Probably take the Teletrack alt-az GoTo and a small-aperture tandem setup, both white light and H-a on the same mount. I want to shoot a continuous HD video, then I can grab individual frames for stacking stills later on, and don't have to be constantly messing with a still camera. It can just sit there and run while I watch with my eyes. Total equipment weight under 30 lbs. I may roll-up a white sheet and stuff it in my equipment bag, to lay on the ground to try and see shadow bands.
And a list of local bars if the whole western US is clouded-out.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
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Just do it Joe, ask people to contact you (at a SLAS meeting if you like) and if you get enough people to equally share the cost, then charter one. You will have difficulty getting the majority of SLAS members to have SLAS subsidize it. No one objects to you organizing a charter, the only objection is SLAS footing the bill.
I have to admit -- as much as I hate to -- that Chuck may be onto a good solution. Maybe I'll just shut about a bus from now on. -- Joe
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I haven't completely ruled-out going on Joe's bus, but it's not the highest option on my list. After hearing Lowell at the SLAS meeting, I'm considering booking a room at the ALCON hotel, arriving a bit early and maybe staying a day or two afterwards to avoid the crowds on the roads. Having my own car will make me MUCH more mobile than the bus, with a quicker reaction time, in case of localized clouds. I also want to wait and see if there are two seats available on any private aircraft that may be headed up that way for just a day trip.
I plan on keeping my equipment load to a minimum. Probably take the Teletrack alt-az GoTo and a small-aperture tandem setup, both white light and H-a on the same mount. I want to shoot a continuous HD video, then I can grab individual frames for stacking stills later on, and don't have to be constantly messing with a still camera. It can just sit there and run while I watch with my eyes. Total equipment weight under 30 lbs. I may roll-up a white sheet and stuff it in my equipment bag, to lay on the ground to try and see shadow bands.
And a list of local bars if the whole western US is clouded-out.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
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Might I suggest that this whole discussion, while mostly entertaining, is a bit premature? Who knows, maybe as we get closer someone may join SLAS that owns a bus. Or maybe Brent will upgrade to a plane capable of carrying a couple dozen eclipse chasers. :) Åt any rate, I'm eager to see new suggestions but, like I say, it might be best to hold off until closer to 2017. patrick p.s. Now this is one vantage point from which I would love to see an eclipse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kYfUw-kQOw
As a strictly practical matter of transportation, yes. As entertainment, no. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
Might I suggest that this whole discussion, while mostly entertaining, is a bit premature?
Don't ruin the fun, Patrick! ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview Might I suggest that this whole discussion, while mostly entertaining, is a bit premature? Who knows, maybe as we get closer someone may join SLAS that owns a bus. Or maybe Brent will upgrade to a plane capable of carrying a couple dozen eclipse chasers. :) Åt any rate, I'm eager to see new suggestions but, like I say, it might be best to hold off until closer to 2017. patrick p.s. Now this is one vantage point from which I would love to see an eclipse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kYfUw-kQOw _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Don't ruin the fun, Patrick!
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Might I suggest that this whole discussion, while mostly entertaining, is a bit premature?
Who knows, maybe as we get closer someone may join SLAS that owns a bus.
Or maybe Brent will upgrade to a plane capable of carrying a couple dozen eclipse chasers. :)
Åt any rate, I'm eager to see new suggestions but, like I say, it might be best to hold off until closer to 2017.
patrick
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Lets talk Nate into buying a bus.
Don't ruin the fun, Patrick!
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Might I suggest that this whole discussion, while mostly entertaining, is a bit premature?
Who knows, maybe as we get closer someone may join SLAS that owns a bus.
Or maybe Brent will upgrade to a plane capable of carrying a couple dozen eclipse chasers. :)
Åt any rate, I'm eager to see new suggestions but, like I say, it might be best to hold off until closer to 2017.
patrick
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Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems. I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Does anyone know what the power situation is on a bus? Is it 12 volt, and can it supply say one or two dozen mounts? Bus people might have to plan on bringing their own power if their setup requires it, if not set-up near a publicly accessable outlet. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org
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Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree, when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Sounds like are saying SLAS has no responsibility to have club sponsored events accessible for all who wish to participate. When a private group does a charter they have no such obligation. Are you suggesting SLAS should guarantee the cost of the charter? > Remember Joe SLAS is publicly funded and claims to have accessible events. Erik The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Erik and others, I'm not going to advocate a bus or van anymore. Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview Sounds like are saying SLAS has no responsibility to have club sponsored events accessible for all who wish to participate. When a private group does a charter they have no such obligation. Are you suggesting SLAS should guarantee the cost of the charter? > Remember Joe SLAS is publicly funded and claims to have accessible events. Erik The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Eric, I'm not sure what you mean by, ..." SLAS ... claims to have accessible events." We DO have accessible events. What do you mean by "claims." On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sounds like are saying SLAS has no responsibility to have club sponsored events accessible for all who wish to participate. When a private group does a charter they have no such obligation. Are you suggesting SLAS should guarantee the cost of the charter? >
Remember Joe SLAS is publicly funded and claims to have accessible events.
Erik
The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
Erik Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean by, ..." SLAS ... claims to have accessible events."
We DO have accessible events. What do you mean by "claims."
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sounds like are saying SLAS has no responsibility to have club sponsored events accessible for all who wish to participate. When a private group does a charter they have no such obligation. Are you suggesting SLAS should guarantee the cost of the charter? >
Remember Joe SLAS is publicly funded and claims to have accessible events.
Erik
The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a > guarantee of future returns" > > _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass. Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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Eric, Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about it? You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more. You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.) Brent ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps before and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away. Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize. Erik .> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about it? You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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Eric, Please find solutions, not problems. Brent ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps before and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away. Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize. Erik .> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about it? You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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Brent, , I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps before and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize.
Erik
.> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about it? You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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Frankly Erik, I don't appreciate the implied threat. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps before and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need
at
least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize.
Erik
.> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about it? You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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well Sig, my choices appear to accept SLAS refusal or take action.
Regardless of your opinion the site is not accessible by ADA standards and the fact that people can lift Deloy's chair is irrelevant. Erik Frankly Erik, I don't appreciate the implied threat.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps
before
and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize.
Erik
.> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about
it?
You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
> Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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Well quite frankly Sigfreid I am deeply offended by you and Brent and the entire SLAS board of directors. You know ZERO about accessibility requirements.
These are public events partially funded by county tax payers of which I am one. Frankly Erik, I don't appreciate the implied threat.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps
before
and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize.
Erik
.> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about
it?
You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
> Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
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1. You're not entitled to butcher my name that way. 2. All of the events are volunteer work. No public money is spent on solar parties. 3. We have no authorization to do ADA modifications at that site. 4. Talk to Murray. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Well quite frankly Sigfreid I am deeply offended by you and Brent and the entire SLAS board of directors. You know ZERO about accessibility requirements.
These are public events partially funded by county tax payers of which I am one.
Frankly Erik, I don't appreciate the implied threat.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps
before
and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize.
Erik
.> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about
it?
You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the
purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the grass.
Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile than some chair users.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
> > Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, > to > access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times. > > _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Nothing you say is relevant, the simple solution is to find a site that does not need to be modified. The SLAS board is on this list. Is SIG speaking for you? Erik
1. You're not entitled to butcher my name that way.
2. All of the events are volunteer work. No public money is spent on solar parties.
3. We have no authorization to do ADA modifications at that site.
4. Talk to Murray.
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Well quite frankly Sigfreid I am deeply offended by you and Brent and the entire SLAS board of directors. You know ZERO about accessibility requirements.
These are public events partially funded by county tax payers of which I am one.
Frankly Erik, I don't appreciate the implied threat.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is
SLAS
hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Brent, for Winchester I would need 2 ramps and I have rented ramps
before
and are far to heavy. To handle every situation I run into I would need at least a 6 ft ramp. You have no idea about the issue if you think people with wheel chairs should simply supply their own ramps. I have brought the issue up with the SLAS president and board many times, I have only been ignored. Remember, Sig asked me for an example. You are correct SLAS is mostly compliant, but there are exceptions. Winchester is a Venue that SLAS touts to the County for public funds, SPOC is left out of that equation since it is in Tooele County. Harmon's is accessible but the street lights ruin it for me. For Winchester I would prefer to combine my dog walk and sun gazing, my preferred parking is a mike away.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize.
Erik
.> Eric,
Instead of just complaining about why don't you do something about
it?
You could build a wooden ramp that could be taken from place to place, and use your influence to have some scopes placed in better locations. Just a couple of ideas. If you put your mind to solutions I am sure you could come up with more.
You have also selected ONE area where the situation could be improved. The star parties at Harmon's and SPOC are very accessible. There is even a scope specifically designed for the disabled. The glass is really mostly full, not partially empty. (Or as an engineer would say - the glass is the wrong size in the first place.)
Brent
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
> Deloy has different situation, small wedges do not comply with ADA standards. The standard is one foot for every one inch of curb. it is rare when anyone sets up on the asphalt. There are many spots on the Parkway that are, I go by them everyday.
Not strictly true, several times I've set up on the asphalt just for the > purpose of wheelchair access. Granted, most attendees set up on the > grass. > > Deloy manages to maneuver on the grass, but he is a bit more mobile > than > some chair users. > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen > <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote: > >> > Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, >> to >> access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy > club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >
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Sorry to offend. Offense is taken not given. I am interested in getting access. I merely suggest that you become a part of the solution by proposing solutions. BTW, I am not a member of SLAS. ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Well quite frankly Sigfreid I am deeply offended by you and Brent and the entire SLAS board of directors. You know ZERO about accessibility requirements.
Eric, Is that your solution, or just another problem? If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. SLAS does a lot to provide access. I agree with what Siegfried said. SLAS is not responsible for making Winchester Park ADA compliant. That is the county's responsibility. Perhaps you could work with the county to implement a solution, not just complain that there is not access. Brent
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
Winchester Park is part of the Jordan River Nature Path, the accessibility is for that path. Every part of Park needs to have public access to public facilities the bathroom...etc, every inch of the park does not need to be accessible. The Jordan River Trail is over 30 miles long, the sun looks the same to me on every part of it I frequent. The point is the part of the park you set up does not have disabled access from that nature path. Medically speaking a person in a manual wheelchair has a higher functional ability than a person in a powerchair. To suggest because a manual chair user has access that means a powerchair does, is a statement based on ignorance. You are TOTALLY missing the point as is Siegfried who apparently thinks he the self appointed dictator of SLAS. What is so sacred about Winchester Park for Sun viewing? What Siegfried has said is that not having access to an advertised public event is my problem and the sponsoring organization. Perhaps I should have a conversation my County Representative. Erik
Is that your solution, or just another problem? If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.
SLAS does a lot to provide access. I agree with what Siegfried said. SLAS is not responsible for making Winchester Park ADA compliant. That is the county's responsibility. Perhaps you could work with the county to implement a solution, not just complain that there is not access.
Brent
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
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My last word on this is my opinions are my own and I do not represent SLAS. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Winchester Park is part of the Jordan River Nature Path, the accessibility is for that path. Every part of Park needs to have public access to public facilities the bathroom...etc, every inch of the park does not need to be accessible. The Jordan River Trail is over 30 miles long, the sun looks the same to me on every part of it I frequent.
The point is the part of the park you set up does not have disabled access from that nature path. Medically speaking a person in a manual wheelchair has a higher functional ability than a person in a powerchair. To suggest because a manual chair user has access that means a powerchair does, is a statement based on ignorance.
You are TOTALLY missing the point as is Siegfried who apparently thinks he the self appointed dictator of SLAS. What is so sacred about Winchester Park for Sun viewing? What Siegfried has said is that not having access to an advertised public event is my problem and the sponsoring organization. Perhaps I should have a conversation my County Representative.
Erik
Is that your solution, or just another problem? If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.
SLAS does a lot to provide access. I agree with what Siegfried said. SLAS is not responsible for making Winchester Park ADA compliant. That is the county's responsibility. Perhaps you could work with the county
to
implement a solution, not just complain that there is not access.
Brent
Brent,
, I have offered a simple solution many times and been ignored. This thread was started because Sig asked for an example. Bottom line is SLAS hold their Sun Parties at a venue that is not accessible to all. If I wanted to cause a real problem I could. Erik
Please find solutions, not problems.
Brent
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I have seen other people in wheelchairs on the grass in the telescope field. Besides Erik, it's not SLAS's problem. If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with the governing municipality. I think SLAS does an outstanding job in accommodating the handicapped. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
Erik
Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean by, ..." SLAS ... claims to have accessible events."
We DO have accessible events. What do you mean by "claims."
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sounds like are saying SLAS has no responsibility to have club sponsored events accessible for all who wish to participate. When a private group does a charter they have no such obligation. Are you suggesting SLAS should guarantee the cost of the charter? >
Remember Joe SLAS is publicly funded and claims to have accessible events.
Erik
The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man.
Just sayin....
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
>Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble. > >Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get. > >On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com
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It is not accessible for all wheelchairs Sig, if you want me to bring up to the county I will.
I understand you don't care Sigfreid, I doubt the board would issue such a statement. Erik I have seen other people in wheelchairs on the grass in the telescope
field. Besides Erik, it's not SLAS's problem. If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with the governing municipality. I think SLAS does an outstanding job in accommodating the handicapped.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sig, Winchester Park is not accessible, there us no wheelchair ramp, to access where the scopes are set up. I have mentioned this many times.
Erik
Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean by, ..." SLAS ... claims to have accessible events."
We DO have accessible events. What do you mean by "claims."
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Sounds like are saying SLAS has no responsibility to have club
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events accessible for all who wish to participate. When a private group does a charter they have no such obligation. Are you suggesting SLAS should guarantee the cost of the charter? >
Remember Joe SLAS is publicly funded and claims to have accessible events.
Erik
The problem you pose is simple to solve, Erik. Just have everyone agree,
when they sign on, that the majority rules. -- Joe
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it is the situation that the event is close to Utah, i bet it works out the same as last year. IE, not enough people will be interested to cover the charter cost. But...by all means see if there is enough interest before one is chartered.
Mobility is going to be important. WHAT IF, it's partly cloudy and 28 of
the 40 want to go 500 miles east for better weather prospects? Getting 40 people to agree is difficult. Then there would be a question of extra charges. Who's responsible for collecting the extra charges? It needs to be thought out in advance and contingencies need to be covered. While a bus presents a solution, it also represents problems.
I'm like Chuck in this regard. I want the option of chasing the best probability of seeing the eclipse. I learned from the Venus transit not to commit to a location. I could have/would have had a much better view if I hadn't obligated myself to Harmons. Going forward, I'm going to be selfish at special events.
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> I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, > claustrophbic means of transportation known to man. > > Just sayin.... > > From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> > To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview > > > > Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor > in > comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating > and > using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe > > > > ------------------------------ > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote: > > >Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble. > > > >Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get. > > > >On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Wilson <astro_outwest@yahoo.com
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I don't want to fan any flames, but a bus is the least comfortable, claustrophbic means of transportation known to man. Just sayin.... From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:46 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
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As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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All you need are some 40 people to sign up.
Now with a chartered bus, we could check the weather reports and motor in comfort to a good spot, meanwhile having a good tine talking, eating and using the bus' restroom. Just sayin'. -- Joe
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Exactly. Even going with seasonal trends, it's a gamble.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
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As they say in any mutual fund prospectus: "Past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns"
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Or 20 who will pay double. Or 27 who will pay 1.5 times. Or......
Based on last year it would be more like 10 paying 4 times.
Or 20 who will pay double. Or 27 who will pay 1.5 times. Or......
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In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go. I think the only objection there has ever been is SLAS covering the cost. If SLAS pays the bus should be equipped with a wheelchair lift. You have fewer things to consider when you charter it outside of SLAS.
The "short bus" will work for that size crowd. ;-)
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Based on last year it would be more like 10 paying 4 times.
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I understand that an eclipse is a very moving personal experience for those who are fortunate enough to get to one. But I fear that the social circus will overwhelm the centerline from end to end. Imagine the media hype will be much greater than for the annular and Venus transit and we can expect people driving in from all over the US and Canada. People will be driving around while looking at weather maps on their smart phones, calling and texting their friends in frantic effort to hook up with them, some even holding welding masks up to their faces as they monitor the first contact while still driving around randomly. People setting up telescopes on the side of the highway inches from the zooming panicked traffic. Add in a bunch of cattle drive tourist buses fighting for room on the shoulder and every public toilet has a line around the block leading up to it. Gas stations pumped dry. People running out of cigarettes. I think it would make a good disaster movie script. You know, I think I'll stay home and watch it on the internet, and if THAT crashes during the event there will be plenty of photo and video postings in the days that follow. DT ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go. I think the only objection there has ever been is SLAS covering the cost. If SLAS pays the bus should be equipped with a wheelchair lift. You have fewer things to consider when you charter it outside of SLAS.
The "short bus" will work for that size crowd. ;-)
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Based on last year it would be more like 10 paying 4 times.
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Personally, I like crowds of people who are excited about an eclipse. I've seen five totals and none of them brought about the kind of madhouse you describe. (Of course, one was on an airplane, so there wasn't room for mad-housing.) But you should reconsider, because photos and videos just can't possibly match the real experience. It's the difference between kissing the picture of someone you love and kissing the person. -- jb ________________________________ From: daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview I understand that an eclipse is a very moving personal experience for those who are fortunate enough to get to one. But I fear that the social circus will overwhelm the centerline from end to end. Imagine the media hype will be much greater than for the annular and Venus transit and we can expect people driving in from all over the US and Canada. People will be driving around while looking at weather maps on their smart phones, calling and texting their friends in frantic effort to hook up with them, some even holding welding masks up to their faces as they monitor the first contact while still driving around randomly. People setting up telescopes on the side of the highway inches from the zooming panicked traffic. Add in a bunch of cattle drive tourist buses fighting for room on the shoulder and every public toilet has a line around the block leading up to it. Gas stations pumped dry. People running out of cigarettes. I think it would make a good disaster movie script. You know, I think I'll stay home and watch it on the internet, and if THAT crashes during the event there will be plenty of photo and video postings in the days that follow. DT ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go. I think the only objection there has ever been is SLAS covering the cost. If SLAS pays the bus should be equipped with a wheelchair lift. You have fewer things to consider when you charter it outside of SLAS.
The "short bus" will work for that size crowd. ;-)
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Based on last year it would be more like 10 paying 4 times.
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Hey Daniel, you forgot to mention that the water will be contaminated from the all the fracking, and that big oil will have drilling rights on all the land by then so we won't be able to view the eclipse without our view ruined by fields of oil derricks. ;) Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of daniel turner Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview I understand that an eclipse is a very moving personal experience for those who are fortunate enough to get to one. But I fear that the social circus will overwhelm the centerline from end to end. Imagine the media hype will be much greater than for the annular and Venus transit and we can expect people driving in from all over the US and Canada. People will be driving around while looking at weather maps on their smart phones, calling and texting their friends in frantic effort to hook up with them, some even holding welding masks up to their faces as they monitor the first contact while still driving around randomly. People setting up telescopes on the side of the highway inches from the zooming panicked traffic. Add in a bunch of cattle drive tourist buses fighting for room on the shoulder and every public toilet has a line around the block leading up to it. Gas stations pumped dry. People running out of cigarettes. I think it would make a good disaster movie script. You know, I think I'll stay home and watch it on the internet, and if THAT crashes during the event there will be plenty of photo and video postings in the days that follow. DT ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go. I think the only objection there has ever been is SLAS covering the cost. If SLAS pays the bus should be equipped with a wheelchair lift. You have fewer things to consider when you charter it outside of SLAS.
The "short bus" will work for that size crowd. ;-)
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Mat: Don't forget the convoys of black SUV's ferrying around high ranking dignitaries and their close relations. As well as the helicopters of the even higher ranking and ultra rich. Hey this might be even better than Sharknado!! I'm writing a script for this right now. DT ________________________________ From: "Hutchings, Mat" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview Hey Daniel, you forgot to mention that the water will be contaminated from the all the fracking, and that big oil will have drilling rights on all the land by then so we won't be able to view the eclipse without our view ruined by fields of oil derricks. ;) Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of daniel turner Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview I understand that an eclipse is a very moving personal experience for those who are fortunate enough to get to one. But I fear that the social circus will overwhelm the centerline from end to end. Imagine the media hype will be much greater than for the annular and Venus transit and we can expect people driving in from all over the US and Canada. People will be driving around while looking at weather maps on their smart phones, calling and texting their friends in frantic effort to hook up with them, some even holding welding masks up to their faces as they monitor the first contact while still driving around randomly. People setting up telescopes on the side of the highway inches from the zooming panicked traffic. Add in a bunch of cattle drive tourist buses fighting for room on the shoulder and every public toilet has a line around the block leading up to it. Gas stations pumped dry. People running out of cigarettes. I think it would make a good disaster movie script. You know, I think I'll stay home and watch it on the internet, and if THAT crashes during the event there will be plenty of photo and video postings in the days that follow. DT ________________________________ From: Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] 2017 Eclipse Preview
In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go. I think the only objection there has ever been is SLAS covering the cost. If SLAS pays the bus should be equipped with a wheelchair lift. You have fewer things to consider when you charter it outside of SLAS.
The "short bus" will work for that size crowd. ;-)
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Based on last year it would be more like 10 paying 4 times.
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If I follow the bus proponent's argument, a van won't work because there's no bathroom. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go.
Not sure a charter would have a bathroom either.
If I follow the bus proponent's argument, a van won't work because there's no bathroom.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
In more ways than one, with a small number renting a van may be the way to go.
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Brent Watson -
Chuck Hards -
daniel turner -
Erik Hansen -
Hutchings, Mat -
Joe Bauman -
Patrick Wiggins -
Siegfried Jachmann