Club business (Was: Re: transit viewing volunteers)
I would sure appreciate it if ALL club business were taken off-list. Utah-Astronomy is not now, nor has it ever been a particular club venue. Despite repeated warnings from the list Admin, some club members continue to use the list to discuss their club's politics. If any club or board members would like to discuss club politics, procedure, scheduling, etc., that particular club board meetings are the place to bring it up. And you get cheap diner food as a bonus- at least with my club, lol! (Note: No liver an onions. Shame.) I am a founding member of a local club, the largest in the state, currently support the club as much as I can without negatively affecting my livelihood or family, PAY MY DUES even if I can't attend meetings or events, and have no animosity toward said club at all, but wish to keep Utah-Astronomy "non-deonominational" and all-inclusive. Club business- regardless of the club- has absolutely no venue here, outside of event notices themselves, and "round-ups" and reminicences of such events. Club posters, PLEASE direct your club-related political and procedural posts to your appropriate club officers OFF LIST. You know who you are. A most sincere thank-you. Yes, there is a distinct possibility that I currently have a stick up my a$$. Looking into having it surgically removed, but my medical plan may not cover it. Stay tuned. We now return you to your regular programming. C.
I totally disagree. This is a great venue for ALL astronomy related topics. On May 30, 2012 6:23 PM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
I would sure appreciate it if ALL club business were taken off-list. Utah-Astronomy is not now, nor has it ever been a particular club venue. Despite repeated warnings from the list Admin, some club members continue to use the list to discuss their club's politics.
If any club or board members would like to discuss club politics, procedure, scheduling, etc., that particular club board meetings are the place to bring it up. And you get cheap diner food as a bonus- at least with my club, lol! (Note: No liver an onions. Shame.)
I am a founding member of a local club, the largest in the state, currently support the club as much as I can without negatively affecting my livelihood or family, PAY MY DUES even if I can't attend meetings or events, and have no animosity toward said club at all, but wish to keep Utah-Astronomy "non-deonominational" and all-inclusive. Club business- regardless of the club- has absolutely no venue here, outside of event notices themselves, and "round-ups" and reminicences of such events.
Club posters, PLEASE direct your club-related political and procedural posts to your appropriate club officers OFF LIST. You know who you are.
A most sincere thank-you. Yes, there is a distinct possibility that I currently have a stick up my a$$. Looking into having it surgically removed, but my medical plan may not cover it. Stay tuned.
We now return you to your regular programming.
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I see Chuck's point. But for once I am forced to agree with Siegfried ; ) -- without wishing to be disagreeable, it seems to me that it's fine to discuss anything relating to astronomy, even vaguely related. Like L&O, my friend Chuck. If anyone doesn't want to read about the club it's easy to just delete the message. Just call me a chatty old coot. Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewing volunteers) I totally disagree. This is a great venue for ALL astronomy related topics. On May 30, 2012 6:23 PM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
I would sure appreciate it if ALL club business were taken off-list. Utah-Astronomy is not now, nor has it ever been a particular club venue. Despite repeated warnings from the list Admin, some club members continue to use the list to discuss their club's politics.
If any club or board members would like to discuss club politics, procedure, scheduling, etc., that particular club board meetings are the place to bring it up. And you get cheap diner food as a bonus- at least with my club, lol! (Note: No liver an onions. Shame.)
I am a founding member of a local club, the largest in the state, currently support the club as much as I can without negatively affecting my livelihood or family, PAY MY DUES even if I can't attend meetings or events, and have no animosity toward said club at all, but wish to keep Utah-Astronomy "non-deonominational" and all-inclusive. Club business- regardless of the club- has absolutely no venue here, outside of event notices themselves, and "round-ups" and reminicences of such events.
Club posters, PLEASE direct your club-related political and procedural posts to your appropriate club officers OFF LIST. You know who you are.
A most sincere thank-you. Yes, there is a distinct possibility that I currently have a stick up my a$$. Looking into having it surgically removed, but my medical plan may not cover it. Stay tuned.
We now return you to your regular programming.
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I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification. Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle. I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it. If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks. Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I see Chuck's point. But for once I am forced to agree with Siegfried ; ) -- without wishing to be disagreeable, it seems to me that it's fine to discuss anything relating to astronomy, even vaguely related. Like L&O, my friend Chuck. If anyone doesn't want to read about the club it's easy to just delete the message. Just call me a chatty old coot. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewing volunteers)
I totally disagree. This is a great venue for ALL astronomy related topics. On May 30, 2012 6:23 PM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this forum is just a bunch of people discussing astronomical things of interest. Just a place to express an opinion. I don't follow most of the threads and they go by the way of the Dodo bird. If there is a discussion someone doesn't want to follow, delete it. Sig On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification.
Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle.
I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it.
If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks.
Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I see Chuck's point. But for once I am forced to agree with Siegfried ; ) -- without wishing to be disagreeable, it seems to me that it's fine to discuss anything relating to astronomy, even vaguely related. Like L&O, my friend Chuck. If anyone doesn't want to read about the club it's easy to just delete the message. Just call me a chatty old coot. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewing volunteers)
I totally disagree. This is a great venue for ALL astronomy related topics. On May 30, 2012 6:23 PM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
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-- Siegfried
So, no rules at all. Hmmm. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I think this forum is just a bunch of people discussing astronomical things of interest. Just a place to express an opinion.
I don't follow most of the threads and they go by the way of the Dodo bird. If there is a discussion someone doesn't want to follow, delete it.
Not what I said. On May 31, 2012 8:24 AM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
So, no rules at all. Hmmm.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I think this forum is just a bunch of people discussing astronomical things of interest. Just a place to express an opinion.
I don't follow most of the threads and they go by the way of the Dodo bird. If there is a discussion someone doesn't want to follow, delete it.
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Entire thread moved to trash, per Siegfried's suggestion. I'm good with whatever list admins state. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org
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Not what I said. On May 31, 2012 8:24 AM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
So, no rules at all. Hmmm.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I think this forum is just a bunch of people discussing astronomical things of interest. Just a place to express an opinion.
I don't follow most of the threads and they go by the way of the Dodo bird. If there is a discussion someone doesn't want to follow, delete it.
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Good grief Chuck On May 31, 2012 10:50 AM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Entire thread moved to trash, per Siegfried's suggestion. I'm good with whatever list admins state.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Siegfried Jachmann < siegfried@jachmann.org
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Not what I said. On May 31, 2012 8:24 AM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
So, no rules at all. Hmmm.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I think this forum is just a bunch of people discussing astronomical things of interest. Just a place to express an opinion.
I don't follow most of the threads and they go by the way of the Dodo bird. If there is a discussion someone doesn't want to follow, delete it.
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Chuck et al, I can see the reasons for keeping SLAS business separate from the Utah-Astronomy forum. I didn't read all of the posts from the 'bus trip debate/debacle' but I did catch the gist of the chaos that ensued. My apologies for my part, however meager, in furthering the discussion regarding the absence of the Harmon's event on the SLAS website. Dave Bennett On May 31, 2012, at 06:31 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote: I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification. Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle. I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it. If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks. Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I see Chuck's point. But for once I am forced to agree with Siegfried ; ) -- without wishing to be disagreeable, it seems to me that it's fine to discuss anything relating to astronomy, even vaguely related. Like L&O, my friend Chuck. If anyone doesn't want to read about the club it's easy to just delete the message. Just call me a chatty old coot. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewing volunteers)
I totally disagree. This is a great venue for ALL astronomy related topics. On May 30, 2012 6:23 PM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dave, no apology necessary, at least toward me. You are a gentleman. SLAS is a top-heavy organization for it's size and I realize it is impossible to get all club officers and those in appointed postions together at the same time. This is not an insult, the club has many, many lofty outreach goals with the community. It appears that Utah-astronomy is filling a void, for better or worse. I don't know what the best solution is, and realize that some think there is no problem. Ultimately, if the list admins allow it, then of course it's perfectly OK to post club business here. I await their decision- and not meaning to speak for him, I have a feeling that Rich will defer to Patrick. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:36 AM, David Bennett <dlbennett@mac.com> wrote:
Chuck et al,
I can see the reasons for keeping SLAS business separate from the Utah-Astronomy forum. I didn't read all of the posts from the 'bus trip debate/debacle' but I did catch the gist of the chaos that ensued. My apologies for my part, however meager, in furthering the discussion regarding the absence of the Harmon's event on the SLAS website.
Dave Bennett
I think Patrick's point is that UA is not for "official" SLAS business. IE, the Board should use their SLAS Web access for that.
I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific
enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification.
Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle.
I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it.
If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks.
Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I see Chuck's point. But for once I am forced to agree with Siegfried ; ) -- without wishing to be disagreeable, it seems to me that it's fine to discuss anything relating to astronomy, even vaguely related. Like L&O, my friend Chuck. If anyone doesn't want to read about the club it's easy to just delete the message. Just call me a chatty old coot. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewing volunteers)
I totally disagree. This is a great venue for ALL astronomy related topics. On May 30, 2012 6:23 PM, "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
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Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic. Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it? Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewingvolunteers) I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification. Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle. I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it. If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks. Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
It's true, not all topics of discussion apply to all nor interest all the same. But if we eliminate all subjects or conversations that don't apply to all then the discussions would pretty much be over. Me, I don't give a twit about all L&O discussions. What else needs to go? On Jun 2, 2012 4:58 AM, "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic.
Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewingvolunteers)
I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification.
Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle.
I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it.
If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks.
Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
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Very true Siegfried: I’m not interested in Black Holes or the Big Bang. I quit both Sky and Telescope and Astronomy because that is what the majority of the copy was about as of a couple of years ago. So if we are banning stuff please put one vote for me under Black Holes and The Big Bang. ;-) Oh, yes! And Cats. I don’t like discussing cats here
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:48:31 -0600 From: siegfried@jachmann.org To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS business etc.
It's true, not all topics of discussion apply to all nor interest all the same. But if we eliminate all subjects or conversations that don't apply to all then the discussions would pretty much be over. Me, I don't give a twit about all L&O discussions. What else needs to go? On Jun 2, 2012 4:58 AM, "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic.
Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewingvolunteers)
I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification.
Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle.
I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it.
If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks.
Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
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I saw several sunspots yesterday. One looked like a black hole, the other a cat. The biggest looked like a piece of liver surrounded by grilled onions. I mentioned it to someone while we were talking about an observing location and recent SLAS business decisions. ;-)
Right and after much effort to protect the Pheasant family from my dog that has been lounging in my backyard, a Cat killed the chicks last night.
I saw several sunspots yesterday.
One looked like a black hole, the other a cat. The biggest looked like a piece of liver surrounded by grilled onions. I mentioned it to someone while we were talking about an observing location and recent SLAS business decisions.
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I like toast. On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Right and after much effort to protect the Pheasant family from my dog that has been lounging in my backyard, a Cat killed the chicks last night.
I saw several sunspots yesterday.
One looked like a black hole, the other a cat. The biggest looked like a piece of liver surrounded by grilled onions. I mentioned it to someone while we were talking about an observing location and recent SLAS
business
decisions.
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Pie is superior to cake. On Jun 2, 2012 3:14 PM, "Chrismo" <djchrismo@gmail.com> wrote:
I like toast.
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Right and after much effort to protect the Pheasant family from my dog that has been lounging in my backyard, a Cat killed the chicks last night.
I saw several sunspots yesterday.
One looked like a black hole, the other a cat. The biggest looked
like a
piece of liver surrounded by grilled onions. I mentioned it to someone while we were talking about an observing location and recent SLAS business decisions.
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as long as it's not Ruhbarb
Pie is superior to cake.
On Jun 2, 2012 3:14 PM, "Chrismo" <djchrismo@gmail.com> wrote:
I like toast.
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Right and after much effort to protect the Pheasant family from my dog that has been lounging in my backyard, a Cat killed the chicks last night.
I saw several sunspots yesterday.
One looked like a black hole, the other a cat. The biggest looked
like a
piece of liver surrounded by grilled onions. I mentioned it to someone while we were talking about an observing location and recent SLAS business decisions.
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I think it should be up to the poster to decide if the discussion would be better taken off-list, not to an administrator -- in the interest of our free-speech policy. Personally, I've been involved in a valuable off-list back-and-forth that began on list, so it's not a bad idea if done voluntarily. But let's not make Patrick into a free-speech policeman. Let's just all behave like grownups and not denigrate others or their comments, and use common sense about what is and isn't interesting to the list as a whole. I hope we're adult enough to take a libertarian approach to discussions. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS business etc. Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic. Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it? Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewingvolunteers) I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification. Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle. I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it. If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks. Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
That isn't working Joe. Besides, an admins job is exactly what you are reticent to put on their shoulders. If they aren't up to the task of editor, they should quit. I,ve been an admin on a forum. It's a thankless, hateful job. You simply can't do it right and remain everyone's buddy. On Jun 2, 2012 3:44 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think it should be up to the poster to decide if the discussion would be better taken off-list, not to an administrator -- in the interest of our free-speech policy. Personally, I've been involved in a valuable off-list back-and-forth that began on list, so it's not a bad idea if done voluntarily. But let's not make Patrick into a free-speech policeman. Let's just all behave like grownups and not denigrate others or their comments, and use common sense about what is and isn't interesting to the list as a whole. I hope we're adult enough to take a libertarian approach to discussions. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS business etc.
Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic.
Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewingvolunteers)
I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification.
Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle.
I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it.
If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks.
Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
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I would add, look at CN. That place is policed as if the admins wore Brown shirts. You want self-policing? Ain't gonna happen on-line.
Here is my new Solar Filter. I placed baader solar film between 2 pieces of glass and bonded them together. Created a filter holder and siliconed it all together. I was concerned about the amount of wrinkles that formed in the film inside the glass but it does not appear to affect the view. Thanks to Seth at the Clark Planetarium for selling me the baader film!!! You are the man! http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6378/su2s.jpg http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/telescopewithsolarfilte.jpg/
Looks great, John! On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM, <john@fxlight.com> wrote:
Here is my new Solar Filter. I placed baader solar film between 2 pieces of glass and bonded them together. Created a filter holder and siliconed it all together. I was concerned about the amount of wrinkles that formed in the film inside the glass but it does not appear to affect the view. Thanks to Seth at the Clark Planetarium for selling me the baader film!!! You are the man!
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/telescopewithsolarfilte.jpg/
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Nice, John. What's your telescope? Rodger and I just made a Baader filter holder for my 12" -- actually Rodger did the work while I supplied the material and stood there with my mouth hanging open, watching him do it. Do you think the glass is absolutely necessary? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: "john@fxlight.com" <john@fxlight.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] My new solar filter Here is my new Solar Filter. I placed baader solar film between 2 pieces of glass and bonded them together. Created a filter holder and siliconed it all together. I was concerned about the amount of wrinkles that formed in the film inside the glass but it does not appear to affect the view. Thanks to Seth at the Clark Planetarium for selling me the baader film!!! You are the man! http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6378/su2s.jpg http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/telescopewithsolarfilte.jpg/ _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Joe, I have an Orion Sky Quest 8" GoTo. Every baader filter I have seen does not have glass, but I didn't want to puncture the film on accident so I bonded it. I would say it is not necessary at all. On 02.06.2012 17:18, Joe Bauman wrote:
Nice, John. What's your telescope? Rodger and I just made a Baader filter holder for my 12" -- actually Rodger did the work while I supplied the material and stood there with my mouth hanging open, watching him do it. Do you think the glass is absolutely necessary? Thanks, Joe
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Here is my new Solar Filter. I placed baader solar film between 2 pieces of glass and bonded them together. Created a filter holder and siliconed it all together. I was concerned about the amount of wrinkles that formed in the film inside the glass but it does not appear to affect the view. Thanks to Seth at the Clark Planetarium for selling me the baader film!!! You are the man!
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/telescopewithsolarfilte.jpg/
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Excellent, John! You should know that wrinkles do not affect the performance of Baader material- that aspect is covered in the instructions. The wrinkle discussion has been held here before. I worry more about resolution loss because of the 4 additional optical surfaces involved. Are the glass layers 1/4-wave optical glass? It would be interesting to compare high-magnification views of your installation vs. the recommended installation. Thanks for posting! On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM, <john@fxlight.com> wrote:
Here is my new Solar Filter. I placed baader solar film between 2 pieces of glass and bonded them together. Created a filter holder and siliconed it all together. I was concerned about the amount of wrinkles that formed in the film inside the glass but it does not appear to affect the view. Thanks to Seth at the Clark Planetarium for selling me the baader film!!! You are the man!
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Before placing the filter over the black hole of the telescope, you could perch a cat on the top front edge of the telescope--using its paws to hold the glass in place, and feed it liver to keep it happy while doing so. You could enjoy the grilled onions while admiring the view. Back at you, Chuck! Larry On 6/2/2012 5:29 PM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Excellent, John!
Chuck, I LOVE the solar telescopes you made for Chris, they are amazing!!! (You made those right?) I used a Borofloat glass (1mm thick). The same glass we use at our color filter manufacturing business for the lighting industry. A comparison between my design and one without glass would be something I want to see. On 02.06.2012 17:29, Chuck Hards wrote:
Excellent, John!
You should know that wrinkles do not affect the performance of Baader material- that aspect is covered in the instructions. The wrinkle discussion has been held here before.
I worry more about resolution loss because of the 4 additional optical surfaces involved. Are the glass layers 1/4-wave optical glass?
It would be interesting to compare high-magnification views of your installation vs. the recommended installation.
Thanks for posting!
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he says he has experience as a list admin so I nominate Chuck for U-A list admin. Sent from my iPad On Jun 2, 2012, at 15:52, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
I,ve been an admin on a forum. It's a thankless, hateful job. You simply can't do it right and remain everyone's buddy.
It's just too easy to be misunderstood on this list, isn't it? I was referring to the many times that someone will post a question to the UA list such as, "Anyone going out to lakeside tonight?" Two or three people might reply, and that is all fine. What begins to bother me is when those two or three or four people who then want to rendezvous don't simply email the list and suggest that those interested hold further conversations off-list. Instead, there may follow a stream of seemingly endless emails that may look like this: -OK, I'll meet you at exit XYZ. -I may be ten minutes late, so look for me. -Allright, if you're ten minutes late let's meet at exit ZXY. -That will work for me. What about Bob? -Bob said he can't meet us tonight unless we meet at exit OPQ. -Should we try somewhere else? -Not unless someone is serving liver and onions. -Will you be bringing the liver or the onions? -I'll bring the cat. You supply the liver and onions. Etc, etc, etc. This kind of exchange isn't an astronomy discussion but a logistical problem to be solved by those interested, something that the rest of the list shouldn't be bothered with. This is often the reason that after just one or two days away from this computer my inbox is inundated with dozens of emails and I don't have the time to read about who is going where on Sunday night. That's all I was trying to say earlier. I wasn't then and I am not now denigrating anyone. This list is a great place to connect with others for numerous reasons, but then specific conversations can often be moved off-list. I don't know if I'm being clear or not. I'm going on several days without sufficient sleep and I apologize if anyone is offended. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:44 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS business etc. I think it should be up to the poster to decide if the discussion would be better taken off-list, not to an administrator -- in the interest of our free-speech policy. Personally, I've been involved in a valuable off-list back-and-forth that began on list, so it's not a bad idea if done voluntarily. But let's not make Patrick into a free-speech policeman. Let's just all behave like grownups and not denigrate others or their comments, and use common sense about what is and isn't interesting to the list as a whole. I hope we're adult enough to take a libertarian approach to discussions. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS business etc. Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic. Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it? Kim
Has Patrick ever rejected a post?
I think it should be up to the poster to decide if the discussion would be
better taken off-list, not to an administrator -- in the interest of our free-speech policy. Personally, I've been involved in a valuable off-list back-and-forth that began on list, so it's not a bad idea if done voluntarily. But let's not make Patrick into a free-speech policeman. Let's just all behave like grownups and not denigrate others or their comments, and use common sense about what is and isn't interesting to the list as a whole. I hope we're adult enough to take a libertarian approach to discussions. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS business etc.
Sorry about the late response to this issue. I have a personal request relating to this discussion: There is a lot of extraneous chatter on this list about who is going to what observing site and similar topics, often just between two or three people, but the conversations may take place throughout a whole day or two and may consist of details that are not appropriate for the entire list. I've often been away from this account for two or three days and upon returning I may find 30, 40, 50 or more posts, many of which consist of private conversations such as those to which I refer. Yes, I know how to use the delete button but I still like to briefly review all posts if I have time. If Patrick (and others) agree, wouldn't it be more appropriate to take those conversations immediately off-list? I know that I would certainly appreciate it if those list members would do so and eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic.
Thanks all. Once in awhile it feels good to vent, doesn't it?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Club business (Was: Re: transit viewingvolunteers)
I think both of you missed my point, and I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. "All things astronomical" needs some qualification.
Patrick has repeatedly asked all of us to not discuss club business on the forum, and that's the point I was trying to make. Siegfried talking about the Harmons event is fine, Steve talking about the museum event if fine, but when it digresses into why something wasn't added to the SLAS calendar, why a SLAS press release wasn't worded differently, why SLAS didn't communicate something to another institution in a particular way, or a corporate donor not getting a higher priority as far as publicizing an event, that's when it seems to me that "talking about astronomy" has digressed into something more apropos a club business or committee meeting. Rather like the bus trip debate/debacle.
I'm going to ask Patrick to weigh in and either reinforce his past judgements on club business/procedural postings, or lift it.
If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize. I get official SLAS mailings at another email address and that's the way I like it. Makes it much easier on me not mixing SLAS business with the astro-community at-large. SLAS activities on Utah-astronomy- of course! SLAS business on Utah-astronomy- no thanks.
Thanks for replying, Siegfried and Joe. I value both of your opinions.
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On 02 Jun 2012, at 17:40, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
Has Patrick ever rejected a post?
No. Not that I haven't been tempted. :) The thing is by the time I see messages going to the list they're already on the list. The only way around that would be to put everyone on moderated status meaning the admins would have to approve each and every post before it went to the list and that (IMHO) in not practical. patrick
and you say you delete many without reading them (an observation not criticism), perhaps reasons for being moderated should be stated.
On 02 Jun 2012, at 17:40, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
Has Patrick ever rejected a post?
No. Not that I haven't been tempted. :)
The thing is by the time I see messages going to the list they're already on the list.
The only way around that would be to put everyone on moderated status meaning the admins would have to approve each and every post before it went to the list and that (IMHO) in not practical.
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I hope no one has the impression that I don't read all the U-A posts. I read each and every one. But as long as I have y'all's attention: I am looking for someone to take over my position as U-A Co-moderator. Between my SLAS duties as Sec/Treas, newsletter editor and SPOC instructor, my NASA duties with media and spending most every clear night taking data I think it might be about time to put my U-A moderator duties aside. Any takers? Clear skies! patrick p.s. Speaking of clear skies, Tuesday's NWS forecast for SLC continues to look ever so much better. They have now moved the chance of rain from 30 to 20 percent. On 03 Jun 2012, at 10:55, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
and you say you delete many without reading them (an observation not criticism), perhaps reasons for being moderated should be stated.
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