Thanks Mike - and by the way, I love your disclaimer at the bottom!

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mwkwan@sisna.com 08/05/2005 11:04 AM >>> Duane Jeffery, professor of zoology at BYU has written series of articles on this issue:

http://archive.harktheherald.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/p rv/archive/2005/June/22/Lifestyle/70976.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=intell igent+design§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1997&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&au thorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=&IncludeImages=& mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Heraldextra.com%0A%09%09%09 http://archive.harktheherald.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/p rv/archive/2005/June/08/Lifestyle/70361.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=intell igent+design§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1997&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&au thorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=&IncludeImages=& mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Heraldextra.com%0A%09%09%09 http://archive.harktheherald.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/p rv/archive/2005/June/01/Lifestyle/70687.xml&start=20&numPer=20&keyword=intel ligent+design§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1997&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&a uthorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=&IncludeImages= &mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Heraldextra.com%0A%09%09%09 http://archive.harktheherald.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/p rv/archive/2005/May/25/Lifestyle/69498.xml&start=20&numPer=20&keyword=intell igent+design§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1997&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&au thorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=&IncludeImages=& mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Heraldextra.com%0A%09%09%09 http://archive.harktheherald.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/p rv/archive/2005/May/18/Lifestyle/69021.xml&start=20&numPer=20&keyword=intell igent+design§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1997&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&au thorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=&IncludeImages=& mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Heraldextra.com%0A%09%09%09 Michael W. Kwan Chances are high that one or more of the foregoing statements was intended as humor by an individual with little to no discernible sense of humor. No offense was intended to any person, animal, reglion, political party, spirit, race, ethinicity, gender, sexual orientation, plant, fungus or other as-of-yet-to-be-discovered form of life or death. If you find any statement to be offensive, I sincerely apologize and humbly beg for your forgiveness. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+mwkwan=sisna.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+mwkwan=sisna.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joan Carman Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:44 AM To: kimharch@cut.net; utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] science and religion Kim Darn, I can't find it, but I just read it this morning. It is an article from the Daily Herald (Rich, can you help here?). A professor of Zoology at BYU wrote about testing ID. He used as examples the East Indian Gods Vishnu,________- and Shiva. Very well done. It goes straight to your concern.

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kimharch@cut.net 08/05/2005 9:27 AM >>> Hey, Joe. Is there a chance that you'll be writing something to address this? I realize, of course, that you wouldn't wish to editorialize, but are our concerns regarding this issue worthy of an article?

On a related matter, I appreciated Don's remarks about problems some scientists have with evolutionary theories and arguments in favor of intelligent design or something akin to it. However, Don, it wasn't clear to me whether or not you favor teaching these positions in the science classroom. For me, the issue isn't whether such opinions are valid or not, the issue is whether they are testable, and therefore, could be investigated scientifically. I don't recall if any of the sources you cited had any thoughts in this regard. If Joe or someone else were to write a piece for publication that highlights the concerns of many of us, I sure hope that you would address an alternative viewpoint. You seem to be more versed in arguments that question evolution than I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Carman" <jcarmen@utah.gov> To: <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com>; <mwkwan@sisna.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] science and religion | Thanks for the link Michael. An excellent editorial - and that's saying a lot for the SL Tribune. | | It is my guess that Buttars didn't receive a warm welcome when he proposed ID in schools in June and now with the help of Bush, who has let his deeply religious beliefs spill over in to secular/science based matters before, he thinks he will get a warmer reception in the DN (sorry Joe - it is owned by the LDS Church). Too bad the DN doesn't have a Letters to the Editor forum. | | | _______________________________________________ | Utah-Astronomy mailing list | Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com | http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy | Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com | | ______________________________________________________________________ | This e-mail has been scanned by Cut.Net Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on Cut.Nets Content Service, visit http://www.cut.net | ______________________________________________________________________ | | _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com