no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results. It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations. Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression. Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity. When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this "jewish physics" as they called it. That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world. The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics". All I can say is "I told you so". DT
It seems relativity still did not explain 60 nanoseconds, only 30. U Physics Prof. Daniel Mattis seemed to indicate even the result is correct it is compatible with Einstein's Theories, being the experiment did not take place in a vacuum.
Mattis wrote: "What the European experiment really proves is that neutrinos are slightly repelled by all kinds of matter. This is surely possible. When traveling through the earth, their speed is slightly, albeit measurably, boosted. The behavior of neutrinos in vacuum remains as foreseen by Einstein. The importance of the CERN experiment lies in that it has determined that the weak interactions of neutrinos with atoms is, on the whole, repulsive rather than attractive. Their behavior is rather like that of toothpaste being squeezed out of a tube: the harder the squeeze, the faster it is propelled out."
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results. It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations. Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression. Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity. When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this "jewish physics" as they called it. That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world. The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics". All I can say is "I told you so". DT _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Hmm... I'm wondering if the FTL neutrinos may lead to insight into the accelleration of the expansion of the universe. I'm going to have some T-shirts made that say "New Physics". What size do you wear, Daniel?
It's sort of ridiculous to write that something that travels faster than light in matter doesn't violate Einstein's relativity because Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. The fact is, light moves fastest in a vacuum and Einstein was saying nothing can exceed that speed limit, regardless of where it travels. You just can't fudge your way around that speed limit. If it moves faster than light, Einstein is wrong, period. -- Joe ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
It seems relativity still did not explain 60 nanoseconds, only 30. U Physics Prof. Daniel Mattis seemed to indicate even the result is correct it is compatible with Einstein's Theories, being the experiment did not take place in a vacuum.
Mattis wrote: "What the European experiment really proves is that neutrinos are slightly repelled by all kinds of matter. This is surely possible. When traveling through the earth, their speed is slightly, albeit measurably, boosted. The behavior of neutrinos in vacuum remains as foreseen by Einstein. The importance of the CERN experiment lies in that it has determined that the weak interactions of neutrinos with atoms is, on the whole, repulsive rather than attractive. Their behavior is rather like that of toothpaste being squeezed out of a tube: the harder the squeeze, the faster it is propelled out."
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results. It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations. Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression. Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity. When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this "jewish physics" as they called it. That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world. The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics". All I can say is "I told you so". DT _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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I think someone else posted this link in another thread, but here's an article from 2000 that contradicts the idea that light travels fastest in a vacuum: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/841690.stm "They conducted an experiment that involved lasers, a chamber containing cold caesium atoms and a super-fast stopwatch. The end result was a beam of light that moved at 300 times the theoretical limit for the speed of light." If these results have since been incorporated into sync with relativity, cool. Otherwise, the idea of light speed in a vacuum being an impenetrable cosmic speed barrier has been challenged by more than just our friendly neighborhood neutrinos. Anybody have a link? On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's sort of ridiculous to write that something that travels faster than light in matter doesn't violate Einstein's relativity because Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. The fact is, light moves fastest in a vacuum and Einstein was saying nothing can exceed that speed limit, regardless of where it travels. You just can't fudge your way around that speed limit. If it moves faster than light, Einstein is wrong, period. -- Joe
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
It seems relativity still did not explain 60 nanoseconds, only 30. U Physics Prof. Daniel Mattis seemed to indicate even the result is correct it is compatible with Einstein's Theories, being the experiment did not take place in a vacuum.
Mattis wrote:
"What the European experiment really proves is that neutrinos are slightly repelled by all kinds of matter. This is surely possible. When traveling through the earth, their speed is slightly, albeit measurably, boosted. The behavior of neutrinos in vacuum remains as foreseen by Einstein.
The importance of the CERN experiment lies in that it has determined that the weak interactions of neutrinos with atoms is, on the whole, repulsive rather than attractive. Their behavior is rather like that of toothpaste being squeezed out of a tube: the harder the squeeze, the faster it is propelled out."
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php
Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results.
It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations.
Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression.
Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity.
When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this
"jewish
physics" as they called it.
That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world.
The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics".
All I can say is "I told you so".
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On 10/15/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's sort of ridiculous to write that something that travels faster than light in matter doesn't violate Einstein's relativity because Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. The fact is, light moves fastest in a vacuum and Einstein was saying nothing can exceed that speed limit, regardless of where it travels. You just can't fudge your way around that speed limit. If it moves faster than light, Einstein is wrong, period.
Not really, even Einstein suspected there was more to it but didn't take it further, for reasons he took to his grave. The quantum physicists tell us that there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum. Particles pop into and out of existence constantly. Can the multi-dimensional instability of a vacuum be discounted, as neutrinos speed through three-dimensional space? None of this bothers me, in fact I'm pretty amused by it all. It's grand theater, and I'm sure the final act will be a crowd pleaser.
well I am just relaying what a U Physics Professor wrote and I think he disagrees with you Joe.
It's sort of ridiculous to write that something that travels faster than
light in matter doesn't violate Einstein's relativity because Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. The fact is, light moves fastest in a vacuum and Einstein was saying nothing can exceed that speed limit, regardless of where it travels. You just can't fudge your way around that speed limit. If it moves faster than light, Einstein is wrong, period. -- Joe
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
It seems relativity still did not explain 60 nanoseconds, only 30. U Physics Prof. Daniel Mattis seemed to indicate even the result is correct it is compatible with Einstein's Theories, being the experiment did not take place in a vacuum.
Mattis wrote:
"What the European experiment really proves is that neutrinos are slightly repelled by all kinds of matter. This is surely possible. When traveling through the earth, their speed is slightly, albeit measurably, boosted. The behavior of neutrinos in vacuum remains as foreseen by Einstein.
The importance of the CERN experiment lies in that it has determined that the weak interactions of neutrinos with atoms is, on the whole, repulsive rather than attractive. Their behavior is rather like that of toothpaste being squeezed out of a tube: the harder the squeeze, the faster it is propelled out."
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results. It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations. Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression. Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity. When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this "jewish physics" as they called it. That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world. The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics". All I can say is "I told you so". DT _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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Hi Erik, We don't have the answers, do we? But when the prof. says yes they do travel faster than light -- because they are repulsed by matter or any other reason -- he's agreeing with the scientists using the CERN accelerator. He's not disagreeing with them. Then refused to speculate about why the neutrinos went faster than light (assuming they did). This puts the professor in line for the same criticism that has been heaped on the CERN group. Very interesting. Thanks -- Joe ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
well I am just relaying what a U Physics Professor wrote and I think he disagrees with you Joe.
It's sort of ridiculous to write that something that travels faster than
light in matter doesn't violate Einstein's relativity because Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. The fact is, light moves fastest in a vacuum and Einstein was saying nothing can exceed that speed limit, regardless of where it travels. You just can't fudge your way around that speed limit. If it moves faster than light, Einstein is wrong, period. -- Joe
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
It seems relativity still did not explain 60 nanoseconds, only 30. U Physics Prof. Daniel Mattis seemed to indicate even the result is correct it is compatible with Einstein's Theories, being the experiment did not take place in a vacuum.
Mattis wrote:
"What the European experiment really proves is that neutrinos are slightly repelled by all kinds of matter. This is surely possible. When traveling through the earth, their speed is slightly, albeit measurably, boosted. The behavior of neutrinos in vacuum remains as foreseen by Einstein.
The importance of the CERN experiment lies in that it has determined that the weak interactions of neutrinos with atoms is, on the whole, repulsive rather than attractive. Their behavior is rather like that of toothpaste being squeezed out of a tube: the harder the squeeze, the faster it is propelled out."
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results. It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations. Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression. Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity. When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this "jewish physics" as they called it. That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world. The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics". All I can say is "I told you so". DT _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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Well, pitchfork anyway. That reminds me that once someone didn't like an environmental column of mine in the Deseret News, and wrote a letter to the editor calling me the antichrist. They printed it. I cut it out and kept it taped to the side of my desk for years. -- Joe B. (for Brimstone) ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket Joe has his pitchfork and torch ready. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
I told my wife I’ve corresponded with the Antichrist, hoping she’d be impressed. She said, “Birds of a feather…..” Dave On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:
Well, pitchfork anyway. That reminds me that once someone didn't like an environmental column of mine in the Deseret News, and wrote a letter to the editor calling me the antichrist. They printed it. I cut it out and kept it taped to the side of my desk for years. -- Joe B. (for Brimstone)
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It's all relative, I guess.
I told my wife Ive corresponded with the Antichrist, hoping shed be
impressed. She said, Birds of a feather ..
Dave
On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:
Well, pitchfork anyway. That reminds me that once someone didn't like an environmental column of mine in the Deseret News, and wrote a letter to the editor calling me the antichrist. They printed it. I cut it out and kept it taped to the side of my desk for years. -- Joe B. (for Brimstone)
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I suspect there are a lot of birds of a feather in league with the antichrist -J. Brimstone on this board. Never fear Joe, you are not alone. ----- Original Message ----- From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
It's all relative, I guess.
I told my wife I’ve corresponded with the Antichrist, hoping she’d be
impressed. She said, “Birds of a feather…..”
Dave
On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:
Well, pitchfork anyway. That reminds me that once someone didn't like an environmental column of mine in the Deseret News, and wrote a letter to the editor calling me the antichrist. They printed it. I cut it out and kept it taped to the side of my desk for years. -- Joe B. (for Brimstone)
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According to Einstein, if Christ and the antichrist ever meet, they would both disappear in a huge explosion. Joe, you better not cover the Second Coming.
If there's a second coming I'm in deep s---! ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket According to Einstein, if Christ and the antichrist ever meet, they would both disappear in a huge explosion. Joe, you better not cover the Second Coming. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
You'll have lots of company, my freind. Save me a seat. On Oct 16, 2011 4:11 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there's a second coming I'm in deep s---!
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According to Einstein, if Christ and the antichrist ever meet, they would both disappear in a huge explosion. Joe, you better not cover the Second Coming. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
I suspect Joe and his ilk will be taken up in the first rapture. Much to the suprise of evangelicals everywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:41:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket You'll have lots of company, my freind. Save me a seat. On Oct 16, 2011 4:11 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there's a second coming I'm in deep s---!
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According to Einstein, if Christ and the antichrist ever meet, they would both disappear in a huge explosion. Joe, you better not cover the Second Coming. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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The first rapture? There's going to be a B list? Standing room only? On Oct 16, 2011 4:59 PM, <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
I suspect Joe and his ilk will be taken up in the first rapture. Much to the suprise of evangelicals everywhere.
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You'll have lots of company, my freind. Save me a seat. On Oct 16, 2011 4:11 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there's a second coming I'm in deep s---!
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________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket The first rapture? There's going to be a B list? Standing room only? On Oct 16, 2011 4:59 PM, <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
I suspect Joe and his ilk will be taken up in the first rapture. Much to the suprise of evangelicals everywhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:41:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
You'll have lots of company, my freind. Save me a seat. On Oct 16, 2011 4:11 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there's a second coming I'm in deep s---!
________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket
According to Einstein, if Christ and the antichrist ever meet, they would both disappear in a huge explosion. Joe, you better not cover the Second Coming. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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My elk goes wherever I go! ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket I suspect Joe and his ilk will be taken up in the first rapture. Much to the suprise of evangelicals everywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:41:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket You'll have lots of company, my freind. Save me a seat. On Oct 16, 2011 4:11 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there's a second coming I'm in deep s---!
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According to Einstein, if Christ and the antichrist ever meet, they would both disappear in a huge explosion. Joe, you better not cover the Second Coming. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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Joe, I want to compliment you on writing an environmental column that evoked such criticism.
I think Mattis was more subdued In just saying the CERN finding and Einstein's Theories are not incompatible. I do find it incredible Einstein Theories are still the foundation of Physics after all these years. Well, pitchfork anyway. That reminds me that once someone didn't like an
environmental column of mine in the Deseret News, and wrote a letter to the editor calling me the antichrist. They printed it. I cut it out and kept it taped to the side of my desk for years. -- Joe B. (for Brimstone)
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Joe has his pitchfork and torch ready. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
I don't think it's as simple as that for the reason that I too thought of the difference in distance that the neutrinos would travel as the target turned toward the source -- and if I could come up with that, surely the 170 or so scientists who devised the experiment considered that too. Also, this article makes a strange assumption: that you add 30 nanoseconds to each end of the experiment. Why is that? I can see adding 30 to the target end, if that's what the difference is in distance, but it makes no sense at all to add it to the source end. If it was the answer were this obvious I doubt other big labs would be ramping up to check the results. -- Joe ________________________________ From: daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> To: "utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] no neutrino drive for NASA heavy lift rocket http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Here is a link to the most likely explanation of the anomolous neutrino results. It seems the experimenters didn't understand the implications of relativity well enough to account for them in their calculations. Sadly the media will not scream this from the mountain tops like they did the original report. Many people will miss the backtracking and be left with the wrong impression. Like I said before this incident is just another in the long 100 year history of relativity. When the Nazis came to power the fired anyone who believed in this "jewish physics" as they called it. That was until they figured out that the thing "might" be used to make a weapon. Then they started their own version of the Manhattan Project in an attempt to catch up with the rest of the world. The baby boomer generation was raised on the promise of space travel. We would vacation in Alpha Centauri and the trip to Pluto would be no more trouble than a ride down to Saint George. It didn't happen and Einstein took the blame. They now jump at any hint that it's "just a theory" and that it's about to be overturned by "new physics". All I can say is "I told you so". DT _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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