Re: [Utah-astronomy] Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date
As an FYI in case anyone is interested, if weather is good I'm planning on a trip next Friday and probably Saturday to Pit n Pole (not SLAS related, no secret password required) and anyone can come. Email me if interested. I need a site a little darker than SLAS for the galaxies I'm going after. I MAY try getting out there on Tuesday night as I need to spend so time on those galaxies. Too bad Daylight Savings came back today . . . I wish that bill had passed the Utah House and Senate to have us match AZ. On 2010-03-14 10:38, Patrick Wiggins wrote:
On 13 Mar 2010, at 23:16, Canopus56 wrote:
There is a secondary Messier Marathon window on 3-20 and 3-21 - Clear Skies, Kurt
The SLAS board decided last week to hold Messier Marathons next Friday and Saturday at SPOC.
Hopefully the weather will be better.
patrick
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time. -- Joe ________________________________ From: JayLEads <jayleads@gmail.com> To: Utah-Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 10:03:59 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date As an FYI in case anyone is interested, if weather is good I'm planning on a trip next Friday and probably Saturday to Pit n Pole (not SLAS related, no secret password required) and anyone can come. Email me if interested. I need a site a little darker than SLAS for the galaxies I'm going after. I MAY try getting out there on Tuesday night as I need to spend so time on those galaxies. Too bad Daylight Savings came back today . . . I wish that bill had passed the Utah House and Senate to have us match AZ. On 2010-03-14 10:38, Patrick Wiggins wrote:
On 13 Mar 2010, at 23:16, Canopus56 wrote:
There is a secondary Messier Marathon window on 3-20 and 3-21 - Clear Skies, Kurt
The SLAS board decided last week to hold Messier Marathons next Friday and Saturday at SPOC.
Hopefully the weather will be better.
patrick
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On 14 Mar 2010, at 11:58, Joe Bauman wrote:
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time.
Or "Daylight Saving Death" as some call it, referring to the deaths caused each year by the switch. And I love it when folks say it saves electricity, ignoring studies showing that what is saved in having lights on less is more than made up for by increased use of air conditioners. Actually I've no problem with Silly Time if we'd just stick with it. Real Time or Silly Time: Just pick one and stay with it. No more switching back and forth. patrick
I really don't see what the problem is. I have relatives in three different time zones so I'm used to considering time as "relative" and making adjustments where needed when I phone them. I also have email friends as far away as Japan and Australia. same problem. If you can handle time zones, daylight savings time is trivial. Some parts of the world actually have DST changes of 30 minutes, others bump up a full two hours. Last night I made the switch in 30 minutes on my current stable of 13 digital and analog time keepers. Most of the time was spend wondering if I had missed anything. My cell phone and computer took care of themselves thanks to automatic software updates. My television and DVR have a DST in an on/off switch which can be cnanged without even touching the hours display itself. My DTC was just a timezone change, just about as simple. The rainbird sprinkler timer in the basement, well I just leave it on DST year around. Are we getting lazy, or do we just want something to complain about. I detect grumpy old men here. DT --- On Sun, 3/14/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Silly Time (Was: Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1:16 PM On 14 Mar 2010, at 11:58, Joe Bauman wrote:
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time.
Or "Daylight Saving Death" as some call it, referring to the deaths caused each year by the switch.
And I love it when folks say it saves electricity, ignoring studies showing that what is saved in having lights on less is more than made up for by increased use of air conditioners.
Actually I've no problem with Silly Time if we'd just stick with it. Real Time or Silly Time: Just pick one and stay with it. No more switching back and forth.
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It's not just about that - to me it's about the fact that it doesn't get dark until so late in the evening in the summer. Decent observing can't start until 11 pm. That all depends on your latitude and where you are in the time zone of course. Also, it's harder to put kids to bed in the summer when it's light outside. And it's darker now in the morning. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of daniel turner Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:18 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Silly Time (Was: Messier Marathon 2010 -secondary date) I really don't see what the problem is. I have relatives in three different time zones so I'm used to considering time as "relative" and making adjustments where needed when I phone them. I also have email friends as far away as Japan and Australia. same problem. If you can handle time zones, daylight savings time is trivial. Some parts of the world actually have DST changes of 30 minutes, others bump up a full two hours. Last night I made the switch in 30 minutes on my current stable of 13 digital and analog time keepers. Most of the time was spend wondering if I had missed anything. My cell phone and computer took care of themselves thanks to automatic software updates. My television and DVR have a DST in an on/off switch which can be cnanged without even touching the hours display itself. My DTC was just a timezone change, just about as simple. The rainbird sprinkler timer in the basement, well I just leave it on DST year around. Are we getting lazy, or do we just want something to complain about. I detect grumpy old men here. DT
Well, I may be a grumpy old man, but I find it irritating and inconvenient to make these adjustments twice a year. Before I retired it was wrenching to suddenly get up an hour earlier than I'd been used to. I never saw the purpose in it. -- just my 1.5 cents worth, Joe ________________________________ From: daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 5:17:47 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Silly Time (Was: Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date) I really don't see what the problem is. I have relatives in three different time zones so I'm used to considering time as "relative" and making adjustments where needed when I phone them. I also have email friends as far away as Japan and Australia. same problem. If you can handle time zones, daylight savings time is trivial. Some parts of the world actually have DST changes of 30 minutes, others bump up a full two hours. Last night I made the switch in 30 minutes on my current stable of 13 digital and analog time keepers. Most of the time was spend wondering if I had missed anything. My cell phone and computer took care of themselves thanks to automatic software updates. My television and DVR have a DST in an on/off switch which can be cnanged without even touching the hours display itself. My DTC was just a timezone change, just about as simple. The rainbird sprinkler timer in the basement, well I just leave it on DST year around. Are we getting lazy, or do we just want something to complain about. I detect grumpy old men here. DT --- On Sun, 3/14/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Silly Time (Was: Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1:16 PM On 14 Mar 2010, at 11:58, Joe Bauman wrote:
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time.
Or "Daylight Saving Death" as some call it, referring to the deaths caused each year by the switch.
And I love it when folks say it saves electricity, ignoring studies showing that what is saved in having lights on less is more than made up for by increased use of air conditioners.
Actually I've no problem with Silly Time if we'd just stick with it. Real Time or Silly Time: Just pick one and stay with it. No more switching back and forth.
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I guess you have never worked a night shift on the night you set the clocks back and end up working and extra hour.
The bottom line is it does nothing to save energy, it is laughable it is part of energy policy. It misleads and hinders efforts to start real conservation. I really don't see what the problem is. I have relatives in three
different time zones so I'm used to considering time as "relative" and making adjustments where needed when I phone them. I also have email friends as far away as Japan and Australia. same problem. If you can handle time zones, daylight savings time is trivial. Some parts of the world actually have DST changes of 30 minutes, others bump up a full two hours.
Last night I made the switch in 30 minutes on my current stable of 13 digital and analog time keepers. Most of the time was spend wondering if I had missed anything. My cell phone and computer took care of themselves thanks to automatic software updates. My television and DVR have a DST in an on/off switch which can be cnanged without even touching the hours display itself. My DTC was just a timezone change, just about as simple. The rainbird sprinkler timer in the basement, well I just leave it on DST year around.
Are we getting lazy, or do we just want something to complain about. I detect grumpy old men here.
DT
--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Silly Time (Was: Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1:16 PM On 14 Mar 2010, at 11:58, Joe Bauman wrote:
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time.
Or "Daylight Saving Death" as some call it, referring to the deaths caused each year by the switch.
And I love it when folks say it saves electricity, ignoring studies showing that what is saved in having lights on less is more than made up for by increased use of air conditioners.
Actually I've no problem with Silly Time if we'd just stick with it. Real Time or Silly Time: Just pick one and stay with it. No more switching back and forth.
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I am sure we would find other ways to kill ourselves, texting, watching DVD's, etc
On 14 Mar 2010, at 11:58, Joe Bauman wrote:
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time.
Or "Daylight Saving Death" as some call it, referring to the deaths caused each year by the switch.
And I love it when folks say it saves electricity, ignoring studies showing that what is saved in having lights on less is more than made up for by increased use of air conditioners.
Actually I've no problem with Silly Time if we'd just stick with it. Real Time or Silly Time: Just pick one and stay with it. No more switching back and forth.
patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Or let's just split the difference, "spring forward a half hour" and then leave it alone, no changing times anymore. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:36 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Silly Time (Was: Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date)
I am sure we would find other ways to kill ourselves, texting, watching DVD's, etc
On 14 Mar 2010, at 11:58, Joe Bauman wrote:
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time.
Or "Daylight Saving Death" as some call it, referring to the deaths caused each year by the switch.
And I love it when folks say it saves electricity, ignoring studies showing that what is saved in having lights on less is more than made up for by increased use of air conditioners.
Actually I've no problem with Silly Time if we'd just stick with it. Real Time or Silly Time: Just pick one and stay with it. No more switching back and forth.
patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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The Navajo Reservations in Arizona switch to Daylight Shifting Time.
I thoroughly agree, Jay. I think we should shack up with Arizona and do
away with what Patrick calls Daylight Silly Time. -- Joe
________________________________ From: JayLEads <jayleads@gmail.com> To: Utah-Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 10:03:59 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Messier Marathon 2010 - secondary date
As an FYI in case anyone is interested, if weather is good I'm planning on a trip next Friday and probably Saturday to Pit n Pole (not SLAS related, no secret password required) and anyone can come. Email me if interested. I need a site a little darker than SLAS for the galaxies I'm going after. I MAY try getting out there on Tuesday night as I need to spend so time on those galaxies. Too bad Daylight Savings came back today . . . I wish that bill had passed the Utah House and Senate to have us match AZ.
On 2010-03-14 10:38, Patrick Wiggins wrote:
On 13 Mar 2010, at 23:16, Canopus56 wrote:
There is a secondary Messier Marathon window on 3-20 and 3-21 - Clear Skies, Kurt
The SLAS board decided last week to hold Messier Marathons next Friday and Saturday at SPOC.
Hopefully the weather will be better.
patrick
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Hi all, I plan to head to Pit n Pole tonight -- does anybody know the latitude and longitude? Also, anyone who won't be offended by my noisy generator and the light from my laptop is invited! -- I think Pit n Pole won't be as moist as Lakeside. Best wishes, Joe
OK -- I'll go to Pit N Pole as well. Especially if you think it's not as wet. Probably I'll set up around 8:00. By my estimation, there are 50-60 Caldwells visible tonight as well. Anyone have a list melding them with a useable MM order? I put a rough version together, but it could be better. I'm definitely bailing on M30, and probably M72/73 as well, but otherwise, I think I'm in it to win it. ---- Rev. Michael A. van Opstall Department of Mathematics, University of Utah Office: JWB 313 opstall@math.utah.edu
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