Joan, I have just reread the constitution and I am baffled by your statement that it's a shame that one who wants to change it hasn't read it. Please explain what you mean by that aspersion because I am one who wants to change the constitution and I don't know what anyone on this side of the discussion said that is in conflict with it. I had read it before and, after your comment, read it again. You should clear this up because I for one do not like vague accusiations hanging over my head. Speaking of aspersions: Siegfried called me an extremist for supporting Charlie's proposed amendment. My response is that if somebody can't think of a sound argument in a discussion, he or she is apt to fall back on name-calling. I expected better from you, Siegfried. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 11:46 AM MDT CenturyLink Customer wrote:
It's a shame one who wants to change the SLAS constitution isn't familiar with it. I haven't read the thing for well-more than a decade, maybe two, but the September meeting is a preliminary vote, only necessary if there are more than three running for a particular office and October is the only voting month .
As for the current Presidential dilema. If Roger can't cajole someone into the office, I will rejoin the club and run as a write in - in October.
As for the amendment. I am in full support of the term limitation. Perhaps someone should ask Roger if he would love to serve again or if he is grateful he doesn't have t o. The club needs new blood, always has and always will. It needs new ideas, fresh thoughts on old issues. It's aging and needs to focus on fixing that problem. That is its MAIN problem. SLAS has a fantastic facility at SPOC, but those who built it and care about it most are aging (sorry but its true). Who will take take of the facility in 20 years? 10 years?
There are only t wo positions on the board that work and carry the brunt of SLAS for the year -. t he President and the Secretary/Treasurer. I would propose the Secretary/Treasurer be split into two offices, lessening the burden and a third board member at large be added to main tain an odd number on the board for tie votes.
Finally, SLAS isn't a good ole boys club, it is a legal entity and the constitution provides sufficient (minimal, but sufficient) organization to give SLAS a 503(c) status. How might the propose d amendment affect that status? If someone can serve as Pres or whatever position for life, or until they get board (pun intended :)) it might jeopardize the irs status of the club. I re ally don't know, but it should certainly be a primary consideration before any amendment is even suggested.
Me, myself and I, not a "CenturyLink Customer" - Wahoo!!!!!
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Where's my popcorn? Maybe we can talk about fracking, climate change, or healthcare reform after this. No, wait- immigration policy or UFO conspiracy cover-ups! ;-)
rofl - pass the popcorn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>, "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:18:21 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015 Where's my popcorn? Maybe we can talk about fracking, climate change, or healthcare reform after this. No, wait- immigration policy or UFO conspiracy cover-ups! ;-) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Yep, bring on the popcorn. I suggest we add Bigfoot to your list of possible subjects, Chuck. Mat -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:18 PM To: Joe Bauman; Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015 Where's my popcorn? Maybe we can talk about fracking, climate change, or healthcare reform after this. No, wait- immigration policy or UFO conspiracy cover-ups! ;-) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". This message and any attachments are solely for the use of intended recipients. The information contained herein may include trade secrets, protected health or personal information, privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you received this email in error, and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Thank you for your cooperation
Or we could, you know, talk about astronomy before the rest of us left on this list that are actually more interested in that topic than SLAS politics and name calling unsubscribe. Jared On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Hutchings, Mat <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> wrote:
Yep, bring on the popcorn. I suggest we add Bigfoot to your list of possible subjects, Chuck.
Mat
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Where's my popcorn?
Maybe we can talk about fracking, climate change, or healthcare reform after this. No, wait- immigration policy or UFO conspiracy cover-ups!
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I'm rather disappointed in this particular tempest in a teapot. No one has left the list in a high dudgeon or threatened to sue. Even Joe and Siegfried are trying to be nice. I'm guessing the missing element is Eric Hansen. His posts starting at the first > that always seem to get lost among the quotes from other posters. But when wound up he will respond to every post oh the list thus doubling the entry count single handedly. Where are you Eric? What are your views on the SLAS constitution? DT
________________________________ From: "Hutchings, Mat" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
Yep, bring on the popcorn. I suggest we add Bigfoot to your list of possible subjects, Chuck.
Mat
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:18 PM To: Joe Bauman; Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
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Maybe we can talk about fracking, climate change, or healthcare reform after this. No, wait- immigration policy or UFO conspiracy cover-ups!
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Daniel, I am not "trying" to be nice, it comes naturally. Siegfried On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:52 PM, daniel turner via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm rather disappointed in this particular tempest in a teapot. No one has left the list in a high dudgeon or threatened to sue. Even Joe and Siegfried are trying to be nice. I'm guessing the missing element is Eric Hansen. His posts starting at the first > that always seem to get lost among the quotes from other posters. But when wound up he will respond to every post oh the list thus doubling the entry count single handedly.
Where are you Eric? What are your views on the SLAS constitution?
DT
________________________________ From: "Hutchings, Mat" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
Yep, bring on the popcorn. I suggest we add Bigfoot to your list of possible subjects, Chuck.
Mat
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:18 PM To: Joe Bauman; Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
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-- Siegfried
Joe, I don't want to get into name calling or anything that goes along with that. Both you and Siegfried (did I spell that right?????) should cool your jets. You disagree on the amendment. Fine, present reasonable arguments pro and con, leave the nasty comments behind. And while I'm at it, I should take a dose of my own medicine. You mentioned a write in for September and I jumped on you. The medicine is nasty tasting, but it has done the trick. I apologize to you for my aspersions. But the voting month for the election is October and that's in the constitution. After my aspersions, I presented my personal opinon, in reasonable argument against the proposal and I stand by it. If you want to disagree with my point of view, by all means post again - nasty comments verbotin. P.S. Personally, I'm betting on Rodger finding someone to fill the post. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:09:03 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015 Joan, I have just reread the constitution and I am baffled by your statement that it's a shame that one who wants to change it hasn't read it. Please explain what you mean by that aspersion because I am one who wants to change the constitution and I don't know what anyone on this side of the discussion said that is in conflict with it. I had read it before and, after your comment, read it again. You should clear this up because I for one do not like vague accusiations hanging over my head. Speaking of aspersions: Siegfried called me an extremist for supporting Charlie's proposed amendment. My response is that if somebody can't think of a sound argument in a discussion, he or she is apt to fall back on name-calling. I expected better from you, Siegfried. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 11:46 AM MDT CenturyLink Customer wrote:
It's a shame one who wants to change the SLAS constitution isn't familiar with it. I haven't read the thing for well-more than a decade, maybe two, but the September meeting is a preliminary vote, only necessary if there are more than three running for a particular office and October is the only voting month .
As for the current Presidential dilema. If Roger can't cajole someone into the office, I will rejoin the club and run as a write in - in October.
As for the amendment. I am in full support of the term limitation. Perhaps someone should ask Roger if he would love to serve again or if he is grateful he doesn't have t o. The club needs new blood, always has and always will. It needs new ideas, fresh thoughts on old issues. It's aging and needs to focus on fixing that problem. That is its MAIN problem. SLAS has a fantastic facility at SPOC, but those who built it and care about it most are aging (sorry but its true). Who will take take of the facility in 20 years? 10 years?
There are only t wo positions on the board that work and carry the brunt of SLAS for the year -. t he President and the Secretary/Treasurer. I would propose the Secretary/Treasurer be split into two offices, lessening the burden and a third board member at large be added to main tain an odd number on the board for tie votes.
Finally, SLAS isn't a good ole boys club, it is a legal entity and the constitution provides sufficient (minimal, but sufficient) organization to give SLAS a 503(c) status. How might the propose d amendment affect that status? If someone can serve as Pres or whatever position for life, or until they get board (pun intended :)) it might jeopardize the irs status of the club. I re ally don't know, but it should certainly be a primary consideration before any amendment is even suggested.
Me, myself and I, not a "CenturyLink Customer" - Wahoo!!!!!
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Chuck Hards -
daniel turner -
Hutchings, Mat -
Jared Smith -
Joan Carman -
Joe Bauman -
Siegfried Jachmann