I was watching the History Channel last night and they were talking about the tsunamis that hit near Hilo, HI. They established warning systems after the 1946 disaster but they "cried wolf" too many times with too many drills and sirens. When the 1960 tsunami came, people actually went out to the beach to look at the wave. And some surfers tried to surf the tsunami wave! I guess people need to be educated about deadly effects of tsunamis. Debbie
From: diveboss@xmission.com Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 04:49:58 MST To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Earth Change?
I'm the proud daddy of a brand spanking new little golden retriever puppy who has yet to provide me ANY WARNING when it comes to 'liquid' type disasters. hopefully she will develope that sense loooong before the one we will rely on for detecting natural disasters. ;)
I was stationed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station for a couple years and it seemed to me that every other palm tree housed a warning siren. In the two years I was there, the Island of Oahu held perhaps a half dozen drills to test the system.
As far as this event changing the Earth, I think we would have heard from the big observatories by now. It was reported that seismic stations around the globe detected the Earthquake, which to some scientists suggested that the event could have global consequences. Others said that the event was an almost indistinguishable tap. One said it had the force of 23,000 Hiroshima size Atomic bombs. With so many different opinions and views from the science community, I would have to conclude that all is well...
Guy
Quoting Cynthia Blue <leviblue@utahdogs.com>:
Yeah I agree... I figure if we get hit by an earthquake in the middle of the night, hopefully the animals will warn us before hand so our little brick house won't cumble and crush us all... =)
astrodeb@charter.net wrote:
We need to watch our animals more closely. It seems the animals had a sixth sense about the coming disaster and fled to higher ground before the tsanami hit the beaches. They reported very small animal causualties. I've heard about strange behaviors of animals before earthquakes as well.
Debbie
From: Michael Carnes <moogiebird@earthlink.net> Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 01:49:55 MST To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Earth Change?
It's a whole different scale. Honolulu might have problems, but the rest of the cities are relatively small, so you'd stand a decent chance of moving the population with a few hours' notice. You don't have to go too far in most cases to pick up sufficient altitude. And of course there's a reasonable amount of civic planning, training and drills.
But those warning sirens/stations... it seems to me that if the Pacific Coast has all of 6 hours warning (not sure how much time they would have though), there would be mass hysteria, and the coastal cities are so huge, that evacuation wouldn't reasonably happen. Cyn
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Agreed, but isn't it the same with all warning systems. You drill too much, too often you given warnings and sirens, and whats the result? People forget that this is a real danger, instead, everytime, they think it is just a warning or a major event. Its a strange irony, that you can practice for events like that too many times. So, let my try to bring this back to astronomy... anyone been following the 2004-MN4 asteroid story? Would a realistic early warning system for an asteroid impact be a useful thing? Does anyone have an ideas what a good procedure would be for a high-velocity low-mass catastrophic asteroid impact? Run for the hills? Cheers, James. Ps... HAPPY 2005 Everyone! astrodeb@charter.net wrote:
I was watching the History Channel last night and they were talking about the tsunamis that hit near Hilo, HI. They established warning systems after the 1946 disaster but they "cried wolf" too many times with too many drills and sirens. When the 1960 tsunami came, people actually went out to the beach to look at the wave. And some surfers tried to surf the tsunami wave! I guess people need to be educated about deadly effects of tsunamis.
Debbie
From: diveboss@xmission.com Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 04:49:58 MST To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Earth Change?
I'm the proud daddy of a brand spanking new little golden retriever puppy who has yet to provide me ANY WARNING when it comes to 'liquid' type disasters. hopefully she will develope that sense loooong before the one we will rely on for detecting natural disasters. ;)
I was stationed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station for a couple years and it seemed to me that every other palm tree housed a warning siren. In the two years I was there, the Island of Oahu held perhaps a half dozen drills to test the system.
As far as this event changing the Earth, I think we would have heard from the big observatories by now. It was reported that seismic stations around the globe detected the Earthquake, which to some scientists suggested that the event could have global consequences. Others said that the event was an almost indistinguishable tap. One said it had the force of 23,000 Hiroshima size Atomic bombs. With so many different opinions and views from the science community, I would have to conclude that all is well...
Guy
Quoting Cynthia Blue <leviblue@utahdogs.com>:
Yeah I agree... I figure if we get hit by an earthquake in the middle of the night, hopefully the animals will warn us before hand so our little brick house won't cumble and crush us all... =)
astrodeb@charter.net wrote:
We need to watch our animals more closely. It seems the animals had a
sixth sense about the coming disaster and fled to higher ground before the tsanami hit the beaches.
They reported very small animal causualties. I've heard about strange behaviors of animals before earthquakes as
well.
Debbie
From: Michael Carnes <moogiebird@earthlink.net> Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 01:49:55 MST To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Earth Change?
It's a whole different scale. Honolulu might have problems, but the rest of the cities are relatively small, so you'd stand a decent chance of moving the population with a few hours' notice. You don't have to go too far in most cases to pick up sufficient altitude. And of course there's a reasonable amount of civic planning, training and drills.
But those warning sirens/stations... it seems to me that if the Pacific Coast has all of 6 hours warning (not sure how much time they would have though), there would be mass hysteria, and the coastal cities are so huge, that evacuation wouldn't reasonably happen. Cyn
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James Helsby wrote:
So, let my try to bring this back to astronomy... anyone been following the 2004-MN4 asteroid story?
Be careful what you wish for. :-) One of the other lists I'm subscribed to is one for those, pro and amateur, who look for and track minor planets. The 2004 MN4 discussion there turned into a flame war that eventually had the moderator stepping in and trying to put out the flames. Turns out 2004 MN4 is to many of them like the Dark Sky Site/Fund is to some of the subscribers here. But, seriously, I was impressed that the media acted so cautiously this time. I think they've figured out that an initial finding of a possible impact is not worth reporting on since a few additional observtions will almost certainly show there is no real threat. Here's to a great year at Saturn, on Titan, Temple 1, Mars and Earth! Patrick
Cheers, thanks Patrick. It was never my intention to start a flame war. Just one of the topics that really interests me. JH Patrick Wiggins wrote:
James Helsby wrote:
So, let my try to bring this back to astronomy... anyone been following the 2004-MN4 asteroid story?
Be careful what you wish for. :-)
One of the other lists I'm subscribed to is one for those, pro and amateur, who look for and track minor planets.
The 2004 MN4 discussion there turned into a flame war that eventually had the moderator stepping in and trying to put out the flames.
Turns out 2004 MN4 is to many of them like the Dark Sky Site/Fund is to some of the subscribers here.
But, seriously, I was impressed that the media acted so cautiously this time. I think they've figured out that an initial finding of a possible impact is not worth reporting on since a few additional observtions will almost certainly show there is no real threat.
Here's to a great year at Saturn, on Titan, Temple 1, Mars and Earth!
Patrick
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James Helsby wrote:
Agreed, but isn't it the same with all warning systems. You drill too much, too often you given warnings and sirens, and whats the result? People forget that this is a real danger, instead, everytime, they think it is just a warning or a major event.
I saw a piece on CNN that shows officials are cognizant of the problem in at least one area (I think it was the Oregon coast). Seems that they routinely test their Tsunami warning system, but for the tests, rather than have sirens blaring out, they broadcast the sound of a mooing cow. :-) Patrick
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