Cool!  Thanks Dave.  I'll be trying out the Bob's Knobs when we have a clear night on a weekend when I have free time... when (if ever) that alignment happens!  LOL! Or... it will be with the Hubble artificial star on a weekend when I have free time... hmmm... a bit better chance! Bruce   Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:59:01 -0700 From: Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Out of focus? Message-ID: <9441B06A-8D65-44FD-BE00-BD61101C2CE2@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Bruce, I have Bob?s Knobs on the 10-inch Meade. I?ve never collimated with a laser, but with a star you?re out-of-focus when you do the collimation. It takes me about 10 minutes to do a decent collimation with Bob?s Knobs and a star if I think the scope needs it. Before I got Bob?s Knobs it was a pain and took me about 30 minutes, at least. You have to have better finger dexterity than me to mess with those small Allen wrenches in the dark. Dave