Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Ian, Glad you had a good time with it. One last peak before the winter season sets in. The clouds were too thick last night, so I didn't try. - Kurt
Oh, winter doesn't mean the end of observing season. Indeed, for me and a few others the best views in northern Utah often come in the winter. What it depends on is the cloud cover for the two weeks around new moon. Also key it is just being prepared. Layers and the right layers are the key and not showing up with a thermal layer and jeans, that won't cut it and in my opinion, even in summer, jeans are a poor dress material because they are of cotton and cotton doesn't trap the heat as it soaks in moisture and keeps it next to the skin and makes you colder. Cotton won't retain warmth/body heat either. See this article: http://www.midwestweekends.com/plan_a_trip/outdoors_recreations/winter_play/... One thing for sure, having the clothing for winter observing in the field is another expense, one that some cannot afford, but it is the same price as an expensive eyepiece and can be done over time. Mat and I were out in -6 degree F last winter and to be totally honest, we did not get cold at all. For me, the winter Milky Way and the objects found in the winter sky are superior to the summer ones. Perhaps a comparison is in order . . . but we'll see if anyone responds to this. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ian, Glad you had a good time with it. One last peak before the winter season sets in. The clouds were too thick last night, so I didn't try. - Kurt
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Jay:I am envious and glad there are folks like you out there. I observed M-42 early in the morning after the "trick or treaters" had left and we observed the Pleiades from SPOC two weeks ago. That will no doubt be just about the total extent of my winter observing. I have a 6" Dob in the garage for those exceptional winter nights from the back yard. I just happen to be one of those who do not do well with cold temperatures at all. Again, that is just me. Steve
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:52:24 -0600 From: jayleads@gmail.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Oh, winter doesn't mean the end of observing season. Indeed, for me and a few others the best views in northern Utah often come in the winter. What it depends on is the cloud cover for the two weeks around new moon. Also key it is just being prepared. Layers and the right layers are the key and not showing up with a thermal layer and jeans, that won't cut it and in my opinion, even in summer, jeans are a poor dress material because they are of cotton and cotton doesn't trap the heat as it soaks in moisture and keeps it next to the skin and makes you colder. Cotton won't retain warmth/body heat either. See this article: http://www.midwestweekends.com/plan_a_trip/outdoors_recreations/winter_play/... One thing for sure, having the clothing for winter observing in the field is another expense, one that some cannot afford, but it is the same price as an expensive eyepiece and can be done over time.
Mat and I were out in -6 degree F last winter and to be totally honest, we did not get cold at all. For me, the winter Milky Way and the objects found in the winter sky are superior to the summer ones. Perhaps a comparison is in order . . . but we'll see if anyone responds to this.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ian, Glad you had a good time with it. One last peak before the winter season sets in. The clouds were too thick last night, so I didn't try. - Kurt
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I agree with Jay that the winter nights are the best. And the longest! The trade-offs are that you don't have access to as many observing sites, and snow on the ground exacerbates the light pollution problem for sites close to the Wasatch front. You also have to contend with ground fog on occassion, and seek out higher altitude. Some 25 years ago, before there was as much "sporty" winter apparel on the market, I discovered insulated overalls, the kind worn by diesel mechanics living in Wyoming. Those, along with a good parka, snowmobile boots, and a rabbit-fur hat (sorry Patrick) keep the winter observer toasty warm. I also would recommend taking a warm-up break in the car about once per hour. Make sure the dome lights don't come on, so you don't have to spend the next 30 minutes re-accommodating to the darkness. Somewhere I have old photos of me and my observing cronies on Little Mountain, standing on a foot of snow, enjoying the winter objects, aurorae, and a little nip from the thermos (coffee and a dash of Bailey's) every once in a while. We usually then went to Denny's (or Sambo's- anybody else remember the horribly racist Sambo's?) for breakfast, just as the sun was peeking over the mountains.
In Salt Lake City at least, I don’t think there was any more racist eating establishment than the Coon Chicken Inn. Remember that one? Dave On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
I agree with Jay that the winter nights are the best. And the longest!
The trade-offs are that you don't have access to as many observing sites, and snow on the ground exacerbates the light pollution problem for sites close to the Wasatch front. You also have to contend with ground fog on occassion, and seek out higher altitude.
Some 25 years ago, before there was as much "sporty" winter apparel on the market, I discovered insulated overalls, the kind worn by diesel mechanics living in Wyoming. Those, along with a good parka, snowmobile boots, and a rabbit-fur hat (sorry Patrick) keep the winter observer toasty warm. I also would recommend taking a warm-up break in the car about once per hour. Make sure the dome lights don't come on, so you don't have to spend the next 30 minutes re-accommodating to the darkness.
Somewhere I have old photos of me and my observing cronies on Little Mountain, standing on a foot of snow, enjoying the winter objects, aurorae, and a little nip from the thermos (coffee and a dash of Bailey's) every once in a while.
We usually then went to Denny's (or Sambo's- anybody else remember the horribly racist Sambo's?) for breakfast, just as the sun was peeking over the mountains.
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My parents ate there. The owners had another in California, IIRC.
I was too young to remember when they closed, but wasn't it near where the old Villa theater building stands today? A fellow I used to work with showed me a tray, menu, and a couple of glasses from there. He's long reitred, and ate there as a kid with his family. The restaurant entrance was truly a racist icon, from another age. Unbelievable.
Interesting background on the restaurant… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_Chicken_Inn Dan On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Chuck Hards wrote:
I was too young to remember when they closed, but wasn't it near where the old Villa theater building stands today?
A fellow I used to work with showed me a tray, menu, and a couple of glasses from there. He's long reitred, and ate there as a kid with his family.
The restaurant entrance was truly a racist icon, from another age. Unbelievable.
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On 11/5/11, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
Interesting background on the restaurant…
Another time, another reality. Boggles the mind! BTW, I have been told by older relatives that they had a staff of mostly African-American servers. Think of the oppression they had to live with.
Never saw the Chicken Place but I am not from Salt Lake, born in Portland Oregon and then from age 6 on was mainly in the SF Bay Area except for a few years in Illinois and then at age 14 we spent almost 20 months in Paris. Someday I need to tell about the time my Dad took me on business to Moscow so I could see Red Square and what the stewardesses (if you could call them that) had to do to get the front landing gear down. Funny story. We did have Sambo's. On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/5/11, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
Interesting background on the restaurant…
Another time, another reality. Boggles the mind!
BTW, I have been told by older relatives that they had a staff of mostly African-American servers. Think of the oppression they had to live with.
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Never saw the Chicken Place but I am not from Salt Lake, born in Portland Oregon and then from age 6 on was mainly in the SF Bay Area except for a few years in Illinois and then at age 14 we spent almost 20 months in Paris.
Unless you're about 55 to 60 years old, you'd never know the Coon Chicken Inn existed unless your parents or grandparents told you about it. Tell us the landing gear story! :-)
Born in Portland? One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980... Yes, there was a woman involved. LOL!
While I new we were in Europe because my Dad was a VP for Europe for a Japanese company and he often had to travel to different countries since it had to do with airlines. Anyway, he always felt it was important to expand the horizons of his children, and especially his only son (I have an older and younger sister). So while we lived in Paris (now if you REALLY want some stories, imagine being 14 and 15 in Paris . . . enough said on that one) he would often take me on his business trips, and after his work was done, we would spend time seeing the sites. Now this was 1980 during the Cold War and he got approval to take me to Leningrad and then up to Moscow before we flew to Stockholm. We flew out of Leningrad one fine January day and it was bitterly cold. The flight we were on had a kinda first class if I remember right and then in what we would call coach was some interesting things. We'll the flight from Leningrad to Moscow isn't too long but as we began to approach the stewardesses (and you have to mentally imagine, one very cute one and the other three were bigger than I am now) came up and in front of us, interlocked arms and started jumping. After what seemed a minute or so, they stopped and went back to work. I asked my Dad what they were doing and the cute one who was serving our area said they had to help the front landing gear get down. Boy, at 14 that blew my mind and I was pretty nervous until we landed (and as an FYI, my Dad flew and I had flown many times with him and a friend who was an instructor). Then my Dad broke out laughing and said no group of Russian stewardesses could get a stuck landing gear down. I felt pretty had at that point. Anyway, I'll never forget the big Russian Stewardesses jumping up and down to get a frozen/stuck front landing gear to drop. I always wondered what they thought of me because they each came passing my seat and looking at me. The deicer stories about my youth in Paris though aren't for the board and I don't want a written record available for black mail latter on. Lets just say living in Paris was a terrific opportunity and I got the education of a lifetime! Yes, Chuck, I will look forward to hearing your story about Astoria and the woman involved. On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Born in Portland? One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Yes, there was a woman involved. LOL!
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That is really funny Jay. The image of robust Russian stewardesses jumping up and down in front of you is now stuck in my brain. Yeah, so now I am especially looking forward to our next observing session Jay. You can then enlighten me on your Paris adventures... Keep looking up, Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:06 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 While I new we were in Europe because my Dad was a VP for Europe for a Japanese company and he often had to travel to different countries since it had to do with airlines. Anyway, he always felt it was important to expand the horizons of his children, and especially his only son (I have an older and younger sister). So while we lived in Paris (now if you REALLY want some stories, imagine being 14 and 15 in Paris . . . enough said on that one) he would often take me on his business trips, and after his work was done, we would spend time seeing the sites. Now this was 1980 during the Cold War and he got approval to take me to Leningrad and then up to Moscow before we flew to Stockholm. We flew out of Leningrad one fine January day and it was bitterly cold. The flight we were on had a kinda first class if I remember right and then in what we would call coach was some interesting things. We'll the flight from Leningrad to Moscow isn't too long but as we began to approach the stewardesses (and you have to mentally imagine, one very cute one and the other three were bigger than I am now) came up and in front of us, interlocked arms and started jumping. After what seemed a minute or so, they stopped and went back to work. I asked my Dad what they were doing and the cute one who was serving our area said they had to help the front landing gear get down. Boy, at 14 that blew my mind and I was pretty nervous until we landed (and as an FYI, my Dad flew and I had flown many times with him and a friend who was an instructor). Then my Dad broke out laughing and said no group of Russian stewardesses could get a stuck landing gear down. I felt pretty had at that point. Anyway, I'll never forget the big Russian Stewardesses jumping up and down to get a frozen/stuck front landing gear to drop. I always wondered what they thought of me because they each came passing my seat and looking at me. The deicer stories about my youth in Paris though aren't for the board and I don't want a written record available for black mail latter on. Lets just say living in Paris was a terrific opportunity and I got the education of a lifetime! Yes, Chuck, I will look forward to hearing your story about Astoria and the woman involved. On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Born in Portland? One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Yes, there was a woman involved. LOL!
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Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
Born in Portland? One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent
in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Yes, there was a woman involved. LOL!
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On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise. I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge. 2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL. What happened to the girl? Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years. She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between. My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-) Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever.
Alas, you can never out run a Troopers radio. I've heard of motorcycles loosing police but no cars.
On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise.
I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge.
2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL.
What happened to the girl?
Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years.
She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between.
My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-)
Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever.
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True story about evading police, much to my terror: in 1969 I worked for the Beachcomber newspaper covering Ocean City, MD. I was riding with another reporter, whose car was fast enough. He was speeding when a cop car came after us. We were close to the Delaware-Maryland border and he figured -- falsely -- that if he crossed the border the officer from the other state couldn't follow us. We whipped over the line, with the patrol car in pursuit. In a few miles we came to place where two giant tractor-trailer trucks were blocking the road. I can't remember if they were nose-to-nose at a crossroads or for some reason had stopped side-by-side; I think it was the latter. Anyway, he floored it, I was certain we were about to die, and miraculously he shot right between them with inches to space. The officer was smarter than that and stopped, pursuing us no further. My friend had actually outrun the cop. I was shaken. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Alas, you can never out run a Troopers radio. I've heard of motorcycles loosing police but no cars.
On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise.
I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge.
2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL.
What happened to the girl?
Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years.
She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between.
My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-)
Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever.
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I was living in Asheville, North Carolina (a beautiful and terrific place to live) and a couple of us had to go to Charlotte and so a guy from the company we worked for was up in Asheville and offered to take us to Charlotte and then come back (long story there). Anywhere, he drove a Chevy Caprice and we were in the back seat and he and a friend was in the front seat. Well a N.C. State Trooper caught him speeding (this was 1985) and the trooper went to lights and sirens. They guy thought he could out run the trooper in his car and did gain on him until he took an exit and flew through the stop sign, not making the turn and flew off the other side of the road. Two trooper cars pulled up blocking any reverse and two local police pulled up. Our associate was arrested, his car impounded and I had to call a friend to come get us from Asheville. Yep, we had to pay the bail and it ended costing him dearly. Luckily the cops could tell the rest of us were trying to get him to pull over by our gestures and we weren't held accountable for his actions. Now that I am in my mid to late forties I'm an old fart who doesn't do more than about 10 mph over the speed limit on the freeway or 5mph over on the road. Not worth the cost. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
True story about evading police, much to my terror: in 1969 I worked for the Beachcomber newspaper covering Ocean City, MD. I was riding with another reporter, whose car was fast enough. He was speeding when a cop car came after us. We were close to the Delaware-Maryland border and he figured -- falsely -- that if he crossed the border the officer from the other state couldn't follow us. We whipped over the line, with the patrol car in pursuit. In a few miles we came to place where two giant tractor-trailer trucks were blocking the road. I can't remember if they were nose-to-nose at a crossroads or for some reason had stopped side-by-side; I think it was the latter. Anyway, he floored it, I was certain we were about to die, and miraculously he shot right between them with inches to space. The officer was smarter than that and stopped, pursuing us no further. My friend had actually outrun the cop. I was shaken.
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Alas, you can never out run a Troopers radio. I've heard of motorcycles loosing police but no cars.
On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise.
I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge.
2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL.
What happened to the girl?
Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years.
She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between.
My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-)
Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever.
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Steve: Thanks! All's well that ends well. And I finally got the one that got away! :-) I have had ZERO tickets since that day, long ago. I learned my lesson! Besides, the RX-8 is ticket-proof. Hehehehe... Joe: Remember the movie "Vanishing Point"? Jay: Mid-to-late 40's does NOT grant you "old fart" status. A few more years, kid. ;-)
Shoot, I never saw Vanishing Point. Maybe I'll check it out on NetFlix. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Steve: Thanks! All's well that ends well. And I finally got the one that got away! :-) I have had ZERO tickets since that day, long ago. I learned my lesson! Besides, the RX-8 is ticket-proof. Hehehehe... Joe: Remember the movie "Vanishing Point"? Jay: Mid-to-late 40's does NOT grant you "old fart" status. A few more years, kid. ;-) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Joe:You may need a VCR! Steve
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:15:00 -0800 From: josephmbauman@yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Shoot, I never saw Vanishing Point. Maybe I'll check it out on NetFlix. -- Joe
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Steve: Thanks! All's well that ends well. And I finally got the one that got away! :-)
I have had ZERO tickets since that day, long ago. I learned my lesson! Besides, the RX-8 is ticket-proof. Hehehehe...
Joe: Remember the movie "Vanishing Point"?
Jay: Mid-to-late 40's does NOT grant you "old fart" status. A few more years, kid. ;-)
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OK! ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/6/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Shoot, I never saw Vanishing Point. Maybe I'll check it out on NetFlix. --
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As Chuck said we are living in different times. When I was at the University (the first time) I, along with two friends, decided we’d make a liquor run to Evanston. We took the one friend’s car, a yellow Vega, and took off. We bought several “variety” boxes of hooch, plus an assortment of fireworks (why go to Wyoming and not pick up fireworks?) and headed back to Salt Lake. The guy driving was not drinking, but I and the other guy couldn’t resist having our happy-hour a little early. Then the fun started. We started hanging out the driver-side window of the Vega (I know, I couldn’t get in the back seat of one, now, much less hang out the window) and throwing bottle rockets from the car. People driving in the on-coming lanes of the freeway were not impressed and someone pulled over where there was a phone handy and called the cops. Remember, no cell phones, no CDs, we had an 8-track in the car. It wasn’t long and a Highway Patrol officer pulled us over. He was a Navajo. It happened he was from Blanding, originally, and all of us kids had grown up in Moab. We kind of hit it off. He was cool and let us go with a ticket….each of us got a ticket. He gave the driver a ticket because we were carrying alcohol and he hadn’t tried to stop us from being such jerks. That’s what he said. He gave me and the other guy a ticket for obvious reasons. He took the booze and the fireworks. The Highway Patrol, probably, had a great Christmas party that year. Anyway, we all had to go back to the county seat, Coalville, to pay the tickets. The cop told us we had to pay them in person. We couldn’t all arrange to go back at the same time because of our different schedules. I drove up to Coalville in my ’69 Bug (I had a portable 8-track in it) to pay a visit to the local JP. I went to the courthouse and was told the JP was remodeling his kitchen with his son-in-law. The people at the courthouse gave me his address and I was told he was expecting me. When I got to his place, sure enough, they were remodeling the kitchen. They had arranged a couple of sawhorses with a piece of plywood on top of them for a makeshift table. They had torn everything else out. The JP approached the makeshift table, moved some junk aside and proceeded to pound on the table (with his claw hammer that he had pulled out of his tool belt) stating that “this court is now in session”. I thought I was in Mayberry. The JP then gave me a lecture about how he could bring us all up on charges for interstate transportation of alcohol with intent to sell. I assured him we had planned to consume all the alcohol ourselves and gave as my defense the fact that two of us had started almost immediately to achieve that goal and that’s why I was in Coalville. He liked my defense, but said he would have to levy a fairly stiff fine. I thought, ‘here it comes’. He charged me 25 bucks with an assurance from me that I would never do any thing as stupid as that ever again. I know times have changed. Dave On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Steve: Thanks! All's well that ends well. And I finally got the one that got away! :-)
I have had ZERO tickets since that day, long ago. I learned my lesson! Besides, the RX-8 is ticket-proof. Hehehehe...
Joe: Remember the movie "Vanishing Point"?
Jay: Mid-to-late 40's does NOT grant you "old fart" status. A few more years, kid. ;-)
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Terrific story, Dave. Love the bucolic Coalville JP! Yep, times sure have changed.
A friend was living in Miami, he was pulled over on his motorcycle at night, when the policeman got out of the car he waved goodbye. End of story.
I was living in Asheville, North Carolina (a beautiful and terrific place
to live) and a couple of us had to go to Charlotte and so a guy from the company we worked for was up in Asheville and offered to take us to Charlotte and then come back (long story there). Anywhere, he drove a Chevy Caprice and we were in the back seat and he and a friend was in the front seat. Well a N.C. State Trooper caught him speeding (this was 1985) and the trooper went to lights and sirens. They guy thought he could out run the trooper in his car and did gain on him until he took an exit and flew through the stop sign, not making the turn and flew off the other side of the road. Two trooper cars pulled up blocking any reverse and two local police pulled up. Our associate was arrested, his car impounded and I had to call a friend to come get us from Asheville. Yep, we had to pay the bail and it ended costing him dearly. Luckily the cops could tell the rest of us were trying to get him to pull over by our gestures and we weren't held accountable for his actions. Now that I am in my mid to late forties I'm an old fart who doesn't do more than about 10 mph over the speed limit on the freeway or 5mph over on the road. Not worth the cost.
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
True story about evading police, much to my terror: in 1969 I worked for the Beachcomber newspaper covering Ocean City, MD. I was riding with another reporter, whose car was fast enough. He was speeding when a cop car came after us. We were close to the Delaware-Maryland border and he figured -- falsely -- that if he crossed the border the officer from the other state couldn't follow us. We whipped over the line, with the patrol car in pursuit. In a few miles we came to place where two giant tractor-trailer trucks were blocking the road. I can't remember if they were nose-to-nose at a crossroads or for some reason had stopped side-by-side; I think it was the latter. Anyway, he floored it, I was certain we were about to die, and miraculously he shot right between them with inches to space. The officer was smarter than that and stopped, pursuing us no further. My friend had actually outrun the cop. I was shaken.
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Alas, you can never out run a Troopers radio. I've heard of motorcycles loosing police but no cars.
On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise.
I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge.
2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL.
What happened to the girl?
Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years.
She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between.
My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-)
Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever.
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Watching the subject line on these posts, I'm still waiting for more information on the Jupiter transit and GRS. ;-) I learned from being a passenger in a friend's car that you can sometimes outrun the law. At 130mph. At night. In a very fast car. If you pass the trooper while he is outside his own vehicle. But I wouldn't try it myself. Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets. Kim
On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over. Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently. On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing. That's it!
Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor. On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day. I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over. Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently. On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing. That's it! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11
Hi Kim, what do you do about the scope frosting over? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor. On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day. I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over. Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently. On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing. That's it! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Until now I've just been using a dew shield. Eyepieces, finderscopes and Telrads are a little trickier, or course. Keeping my breath off these items is usually enough for me. Depending on how much observing I really do this winter, I may invest in a heater system of some kind. One advantage of being near the visitor center is that there's always a place to keep extra batteries charging. One of my half dozen or so nights of truly memorable observing came many years ago when Brent Watson and a few of us went to the old Wanship site on a clear November night to do some winter observing. Snow was maybe a foot deep, but after tramping out a suitable platform for the scope I set up my 10-inch Newt. The highlight that night was seeing the blue, wispy reflection nebulae in the Pleiades, without any kind of filter or other "high-tech" device. I think that was also the night that I learned a cardinal rule of winter observing: Don't hold metal devices such as mini-maglites in your mouth. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Hi Kim, what do you do about the scope frosting over? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor. On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day. I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over. Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently. On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing. That's it! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11
But I haven't heard any school bells. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:10 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Don't hold metal devices such as mini-maglites in your mouth.
I triple-dog-dare you! LOL! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11
I remember that night. That is the only night I have had my refractor frost over. It was an exceptional night though. ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Until now I've just been using a dew shield. Eyepieces, finderscopes and Telrads are a little trickier, or course. Keeping my breath off these items is usually enough for me. Depending on how much observing I really do this winter, I may invest in a heater system of some kind. One advantage of being near the visitor center is that there's always a place to keep extra batteries charging. One of my half dozen or so nights of truly memorable observing came many years ago when Brent Watson and a few of us went to the old Wanship site on a clear November night to do some winter observing. Snow was maybe a foot deep, but after tramping out a suitable platform for the scope I set up my 10-inch Newt. The highlight that night was seeing the blue, wispy reflection nebulae in the Pleiades, without any kind of filter or other "high-tech" device. I think that was also the night that I learned a cardinal rule of winter observing: Don't hold metal devices such as mini-maglites in your mouth. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Hi Kim, what do you do about the scope frosting over? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor. On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day. I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over. Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently. On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing. That's it! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 I remember that night. That is the only night I have had my refractor frost over. It was an exceptional night though. ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Until now I've just been using a dew shield. Eyepieces, finderscopes and Telrads are a little trickier, or course. Keeping my breath off these items is usually enough for me. Depending on how much observing I really do this winter, I may invest in a heater system of some kind. One advantage of being near the visitor center is that there's always a place to keep extra batteries charging. One of my half dozen or so nights of truly memorable observing came many years ago when Brent Watson and a few of us went to the old Wanship site on a clear November night to do some winter observing. Snow was maybe a foot deep, but after tramping out a suitable platform for the scope I set up my 10-inch Newt. The highlight that night was seeing the blue, wispy reflection nebulae in the Pleiades, without any kind of filter or other "high-tech" device. I think that was also the night that I learned a cardinal rule of winter observing: Don't hold metal devices such as mini-maglites in your mouth. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Hi Kim, what do you do about the scope frosting over? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor. On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day. I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over. Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently. On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing. That's it! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
I'd be scared of the heat differential causing cracks in the glass…something a little less hot would be a better idea, IMHO. Dan On Nov 7, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
I remember that night. That is the only night I have had my refractor frost over. It was an exceptional night though.
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Until now I've just been using a dew shield. Eyepieces, finderscopes and Telrads are a little trickier, or course. Keeping my breath off these items is usually enough for me. Depending on how much observing I really do this winter, I may invest in a heater system of some kind. One advantage of being near the visitor center is that there's always a place to keep extra batteries charging.
One of my half dozen or so nights of truly memorable observing came many years ago when Brent Watson and a few of us went to the old Wanship site on a clear November night to do some winter observing. Snow was maybe a foot deep, but after tramping out a suitable platform for the scope I set up my 10-inch Newt. The highlight that night was seeing the blue, wispy reflection nebulae in the Pleiades, without any kind of filter or other "high-tech" device. I think that was also the night that I learned a cardinal rule of winter observing: Don't hold metal devices such as mini-maglites in your mouth.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Hi Kim, what do you do about the scope frosting over? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor.
On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day.
I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over.
Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently.
On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing.
That's it!
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On 11/7/11, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
I'd be scared of the heat differential causing cracks in the glass…something a little less hot would be a better idea, IMHO.
Never a problem with Pyrex, though other types of glass might be a different story. As I said, you don't want to heat up the glass, just get it a touch warmer than the dew point. Still probably cold to the touch.
On 11/7/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
If you can find a small, 12V blower (Harbor Freight sells one), it works well, you just have to keep doing it. Refractors and SCT's respond the best. Closed-tube Newtonians don't usually dew or frost up, though the secondary might if very close to the end of the tube. Remember that you don't really want to heat up the optics, just get them warmer than the dew point. That's why the electric resistance-type dew chasers work so well, on so little current. If you use a warm-air blower, the image will dance for a bit afterwards, but will settle-down for a while before you need to repeat.
Thanks, I think I'll get a little 12-volt model if I can't locate an inexpensive heating element. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
If you can find a small, 12V blower (Harbor Freight sells one), it works well, you just have to keep doing it. Refractors and SCT's respond the best. Closed-tube Newtonians don't usually dew or frost up, though the secondary might if very close to the end of the tube. Remember that you don't really want to heat up the optics, just get them warmer than the dew point. That's why the electric resistance-type dew chasers work so well, on so little current. If you use a warm-air blower, the image will dance for a bit afterwards, but will settle-down for a while before you need to repeat. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
I've wondered if the 12-volt blowers for use in inflating airbeds and such (no heat) would work well? -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:53 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Thanks, I think I'll get a little 12-volt model if I can't locate an inexpensive heating element. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/7/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
If you can find a small, 12V blower (Harbor Freight sells one), it works well, you just have to keep doing it. Refractors and SCT's respond the best. Closed-tube Newtonians don't usually dew or frost up, though the secondary might if very close to the end of the tube. Remember that you don't really want to heat up the optics, just get them warmer than the dew point. That's why the electric resistance-type dew chasers work so well, on so little current. If you use a warm-air blower, the image will dance for a bit afterwards, but will settle-down for a while before you need to repeat. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4002 - Release Date: 11/07/11
I may have to try my blower for blowing up an air mattress . . . if my kids haven't ruined it. I also found this defroster/hair dryer 12 volt on line through Amazom for 18.00 plus like a ridiculous $10.00 in shipping . . . http://www.amazon.com/Hand-Held-Shield-Defroster-Dryer/dp/B004MAV24C/ref=sr_... I do like this model because the folding arm ones break to easily from what I've read online. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
I've wondered if the 12-volt blowers for use in inflating airbeds and such (no heat) would work well?
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:53 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Thanks, I think I'll get a little 12-volt model if I can't locate an inexpensive heating element. -- Joe
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On 11/7/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
If you can find a small, 12V blower (Harbor Freight sells one), it works well, you just have to keep doing it. Refractors and SCT's respond the best. Closed-tube Newtonians don't usually dew or frost up, though the secondary might if very close to the end of the tube.
Remember that you don't really want to heat up the optics, just get them warmer than the dew point. That's why the electric resistance-type dew chasers work so well, on so little current.
If you use a warm-air blower, the image will dance for a bit afterwards, but will settle-down for a while before you need to repeat.
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They don't warm the air, so would probably accelerate cooling and exacerbate the dew/frost problem. On Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM, "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
I've wondered if the 12-volt blowers for use in inflating airbeds and such (no heat) would work well?
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:53 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Thanks, I think I'll get a little 12-volt model if I can't locate an inexpensive heating element. -- Joe
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On 11/7/11, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
If you can find a small, 12V blower (Harbor Freight sells one), it works well, you just have to keep doing it. Refractors and SCT's respond the best. Closed-tube Newtonians don't usually dew or frost up, though the secondary might if very close to the end of the tube.
Remember that you don't really want to heat up the optics, just get them warmer than the dew point. That's why the electric resistance-type dew chasers work so well, on so little current.
If you use a warm-air blower, the image will dance for a bit afterwards, but will settle-down for a while before you need to repeat.
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On 11/7/11, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
They don't warm the air, so would probably accelerate cooling and exacerbate the dew/frost problem. On Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM, "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
I've wondered if the 12-volt blowers for use in inflating airbeds and such (no heat) would work well?
They would work great if blown across primary mirrors in summer, but again, anything that doesn't keep the mirror above the dew point will actually make the dewing/frost problem worse. Unheated air falls into this category. Simply moving cold air isn't a solution.
It's been a while since I've taken a chemistry class, but I'd suspect that keeping a volume of air moving while not changing its temperature or humidity should lower its dew point. I could be way off though. I think it merits an experiment Jay. Josh On Nov 7, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/7/11, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
They don't warm the air, so would probably accelerate cooling and exacerbate the dew/frost problem. On Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM, "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
I've wondered if the 12-volt blowers for use in inflating airbeds and such (no heat) would work well?
They would work great if blown across primary mirrors in summer, but again, anything that doesn't keep the mirror above the dew point will actually make the dewing/frost problem worse. Unheated air falls into this category. Simply moving cold air isn't a solution.
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On 11/7/11, Josh M <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
It's been a while since I've taken a chemistry class, but I'd suspect that keeping a volume of air moving while not changing its temperature or humidity should lower its dew point. I could be way off though. I think it merits an experiment Jay.
The air stream keeps the optics from retaining any heat at all, that's the problem.
A short term solution, the frost will return when the hair dryer turns off. They used to sell "dew zappers", which was a hair dryer for astronomy, I don't think they are made any more, the consumer has spoken.
What do our UA group members think about using a hair dryer? Would that
work? (No comments about bald astronomers, now!) Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
I remember that night. That is the only night I have had my refractor frost over. It was an exceptional night though.
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Until now I've just been using a dew shield. Eyepieces, finderscopes and Telrads are a little trickier, or course. Keeping my breath off these items is usually enough for me. Depending on how much observing I really do this winter, I may invest in a heater system of some kind. One advantage of being near the visitor center is that there's always a place to keep extra batteries charging.
One of my half dozen or so nights of truly memorable observing came many years ago when Brent Watson and a few of us went to the old Wanship site on a clear November night to do some winter observing. Snow was maybe a foot deep, but after tramping out a suitable platform for the scope I set up my 10-inch Newt. The highlight that night was seeing the blue, wispy reflection nebulae in the Pleiades, without any kind of filter or other "high-tech" device. I think that was also the night that I learned a cardinal rule of winter observing: Don't hold metal devices such as mini-maglites in your mouth.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS,Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Hi Kim, what do you do about the scope frosting over? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] NOT related to the Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Well, since high school days (they obviously don't count) I've been pulled over once that I can recall. I was driving past the Koosharem reservoir doing about 70 when the limit was still 55. I saw a trooper approaching from the opposite direction, but by the time I saw him I knew it was too late, so I just kept up the speed. Just after he passed I saw his brake lights in my rearview mirror, so I knew I was had and immediately pulled over. He came up to the car laughing and said, "Boy, do you have a guilty conscience!" I replied, "I knew you had me, so there was no sense wasting gas." He laughed again and wrote out a warning. I am glad that some cops, at least, have a sense of humor.
On another note, we are having our first real winter storm here at Bryce. Three to six inches are expected, but I think we already have four. It's supposed to snow much of the day.
I last observed comet Garradd during our last week of three-times-per-week astronomy programs, the week before last. Even in my 8-inch SCT a bit of a tail could be observed. We had maybe 100 people come out in the cold for at least 45 minutes to observe with us. Jupiter has been a hit for some time now, as is virtually any deep sky object under our exceptional night sky. Astronomy programs, including telescope observing, continue on Saturday nights throughout the winter, weather permitting. Yes, it's very cold at 8,000 feet, but on the other hand, the seeing is much better than at lower elevations. Someone come see me. I get lonely. Depending on who you are and what you offer, I may allow you to stay in my spare room. ;-)
Kim
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On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over.
Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently.
On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing.
That's it!
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Chuck and all, If you ever go to Phoenix, bare in mind traffic cams are everywhere and you will never know you got caught until you receive the ticket in the mail. A Phoenix man claimed someone took his car, but alas the picture showed him at the wheel.
Many police departments have a no chase rule so perhaps rabbiting is a good option, but if they get your plate number it means big problems for those of us with something to lose. I have been a passenger in autos going over 120 mph, it is usually the last time I ride with that person. I would rather someone try and kill themselves without me present. On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over.
Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently.
On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing.
That's it!
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On 11/7/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I have been a passenger in autos going over 120 mph, it is usually the last time I ride with that person. I would rather someone try and kill themselves without me present.
Agreed. If they are trying to kill themselves, it's not a good idea to ride with them. For the record, I would only drive that fast (now) at Miller. I do not condone street racing or any other wreckless driving.
I believe the speed cameras have officially been decomissioned in Phoenix now. Too many complaints and too difficult to enforce. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
Chuck and all, If you ever go to Phoenix, bare in mind traffic cams are everywhere and you will never know you got caught until you receive the ticket in the mail. A Phoenix man claimed someone took his car, but alas the picture showed him at the wheel.
Many police departments have a no chase rule so perhaps rabbiting is a good option, but if they get your plate number it means big problems for those of us with something to lose. I have been a passenger in autos going over 120 mph, it is usually the last time I ride with that person. I would rather someone try and kill themselves without me present. On 11/7/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Chuck, honestly now: You may have not been cited, but have you at least been pulled over? Thank the Highway Patrol (and God, I guess) for those warning tickets.
Kim, honestly, since that day 30 years ago, I have not even been pulled-over.
Once I thought I was being pulled-over, but the trooper just wanted to get past me, apparently.
On Bangerter Highway in the Mazda a few years ago, I blew by a trooper with radar doing about 20 over. He just motioned for me to "slow down" and didn't come after me. No ticket in the mail, nothing.
That's it!
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Chuck: Great Story! Steve
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:37:41 -0700 From: chuck.hards@gmail.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5
On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise.
I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge.
2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL.
What happened to the girl?
Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years.
She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between.
My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-)
Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever.
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ROFL, without a doubt one of the greatest stories told, and told well. Hope it works out for ya! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:37:41 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 On 11/6/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Anything to do with an establishment called the "Acropolis"?
One day I'll tell you about the afternoon I spent in the Astoria jail in 1980...
Sorry Erik, no. It's wholesome. Sort-of. I promise. I met a young lady about '78 or '79, and fell in love. I was about 20 at the time, she was 16. I asked her to marry me in short order. Well, she was too young, in hindsight I see that clearly now. Also I was not of her faith, yet both of her parents loved me and urged her to marry me. Alas, the parental approval was probably the final nail in that coffin, lol. Anyway, we dated for a while, then her family moved to Washington state, just across the Columbia river from Astoria, Oregon. I had just bought a brand-new Mazda RX-7 (some of you know that I am a "rotorhead", a rotary-engine enthusiast) and decided to drive up there to visit her one long weekend. I had been working all night and all day before departing, but being 22 years old or so, was of course immortal, capable of mighty feats, and drove straight-through to see the girl of my dreams. Somewhere this side of Astoria, I passed an Oregon trooper who got me on radar doing about 74. With too little sleep, I gunned it. I didn't see that trooper again in my rear-view mirror for a while. He had four times my horsepower, but couldn't take those curvy mountain roads as well as the trusty little Mazda. About an hour later, there was the road-block. The chase was over. I pulled-over, got out, was handcuffed and driven to the Astoria jail. My car was impounded in another town about 30 miles away. The jail was full that Friday, so I didn't even get an orange jump suit. I was set on a bench in my own clothes, still in handcuffs, and told to wait for the judge. Back then, a circuit judge came through Astoria only once every two or three weeks. I just happened to get arrested on the day he was in town! While waiting for my case to come up, the local cops were laughing at my exploit. Seems nobody had EVER out-run that particular trooper, and since the local cops were basicaly hippies, with no love lost on the state troopers, they took great delight in the fact that a kid from Utah had outrun old what's-his-name. I had jail-hero status. :-) When my case came up, I was charged with attempting to evade, and speeding. Those were the days of the 55-mph speed limit, so I was 19mph over. One more mph would have added to my charges, but even though I was doing well over 130 at times, he only clocked me at 74. Hehehehe... The judge asked me what I was possibly thinking and where was I going. I told him about my trek to see the girl I loved, that I had not slept in 36 hours, was very sorry and didn't mean to cause so much trouble. He then asked me how much money I had. I still had $500 on me. He took a "boys will be boys" attitude, and fined me $400, saying "I'll leave you enough gas money to get back to Utah, and get your car out of impound. And don't EVER get arrested in my jurisdiction again." Yes, sir! So, I spent a grand total of about 4 hours in the Astoria jail and courtroom, and still got to my GF's house late that night after a cab ride to pick up my impounded car. I was very lucky. The same offense today wouldn't be taken so lightly by any judge. 2 years later, I got a letter from the state of Oregon, telling me that I was again elligible to hold an Oregon driver's license. LOL. What happened to the girl? Well, I made one more trip to Washington some months later, but after that we drifted apart. For 30 years. She is now living with me, having miraculously found me on the internet shortly after my divorce (thanks to the astronomy-related hits, no lie!). She had endured 2 failed marriages in the interrim. You met her at the Liver and Onions meeting. It's also weird that I had a rotary-engine car when we separated, and I had one when we reconnected. I hadn't owned a car with a Wankel engine in all the time in-between. My now 33-year-old offer to her still stands. I think she's getting close to a decision. :-) Note to the kids: DON'T do what I did. Judges and state troopers today don't take the "boys will be boys" approach to anything anymore. It was another time, another reality, long, long ago. Those days are gone forever. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
On 11/6/11, jcarman6@q.com <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
ROFL, without a doubt one of the greatest stories told, and told well. Hope it works out for ya!
Thanks Joan. Me too! People hardly ever get a second chance at that first true love. I'm about the luckiest guy in the world! And this girl doesn't have a problem with astronomy, unlike my ex. ("Can we GO now?" after an hour. Grumble...)
Ian, Glad you had a good time with it. One last peak before the winter season sets in. The clouds were too thick last night, so I didn't try.
I agree winter is awesome and does not need to stop anybody from observing. Apart from the warm clothing issues, you need to be ready to combat dew/frost. For me, warm over boots are a key. I don't like cold feet and the NEOS Navigator over boots I have are what keeps me going when it gets really cold. They are much less expensive than a single premium eyepiece. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 12:52 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter transit and GRS, Thurs Nov. 3 and Fri Nov. 5 Oh, winter doesn't mean the end of observing season. Indeed, for me and a few others the best views in northern Utah often come in the winter. What it depends on is the cloud cover for the two weeks around new moon. Also key it is just being prepared. Layers and the right layers are the key and not showing up with a thermal layer and jeans, that won't cut it and in my opinion, even in summer, jeans are a poor dress material because they are of cotton and cotton doesn't trap the heat as it soaks in moisture and keeps it next to the skin and makes you colder. Cotton won't retain warmth/body heat either. See this article: http://www.midwestweekends.com/plan_a_trip/outdoors_recreations/winter_p lay/warm_winter_clothes.html One thing for sure, having the clothing for winter observing in the field is another expense, one that some cannot afford, but it is the same price as an expensive eyepiece and can be done over time. Mat and I were out in -6 degree F last winter and to be totally honest, we did not get cold at all. For me, the winter Milky Way and the objects found in the winter sky are superior to the summer ones. Perhaps a comparison is in order . . . but we'll see if anyone responds to this. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote: -
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