Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility? ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: utah-astronomy-request@mailman.xmission.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 26 Send Utah-Astronomy mailing list submissions to utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to utah-astronomy-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at utah-astronomy-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Utah-Astronomy digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Today's Astro Trivia Question (Joe Bauman) 2. Re: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 (Chuck Hards) 3. Re: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 (Richard Tenney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question Message-ID: <1063686540.2188381.1432072484284.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun? From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck!
? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:29:09 -0600 From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 Message-ID: <CAHmuOYrP9z1Yx-z8Y-8DMke5fRxPC11-T5HBBHSMzWj3tnQ-1w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And we have a winner! This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time. Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites. Read more about the program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example. Pretty neat little piece of history. On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Tenney <retenney@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 Message-ID: <1187961093.3568499.1432138583563.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 And we have a winner! This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time. Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites. Read more about the program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example. Pretty neat little piece of history. On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility? ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: utah-astronomy-request@mailman.xmission.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 26 Send Utah-Astronomy mailing list submissions to utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to utah-astronomy-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at utah-astronomy-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Utah-Astronomy digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Today's Astro Trivia Question (Joe Bauman) 2. Re: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 (Chuck Hards) 3. Re: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 (Richard Tenney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question Message-ID: <1063686540.2188381.1432072484284.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun? From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck!
? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:29:09 -0600 From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 Message-ID: <CAHmuOYrP9z1Yx-z8Y-8DMke5fRxPC11-T5HBBHSMzWj3tnQ-1w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And we have a winner! This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time. Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites. Read more about the program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example. Pretty neat little piece of history. On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Tenney <retenney@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 Message-ID: <1187961093.3568499.1432138583563.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24 And we have a winner! This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time. Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites. Read more about the program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example. Pretty neat little piece of history. On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe
From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility?
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question Message-ID: <1063686540.2188381.1432072484284.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun?
From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question
On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck!
? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73
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And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24
And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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I think you may find that Lowell Lyon spent a great deal of time looking at average historical cloud covers for that time, and the longest “period” for the eclipse. The intersection of least cloudy days and most time, was eastern Wyoming, which is why he proposed that Alcon 2017 be held in Casper, Wyoming, just before the Eclipse.
On May 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe
From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility?
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question Message-ID: <1063686540.2188381.1432072484284.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun?
From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question
On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck!
? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73
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And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24
And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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When eclipse planning mobility is still a must. Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds. patrick On 21 May 2015, at 12:34, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you may find that Lowell Lyon spent a great deal of time looking at average historical cloud covers for that time, and the longest “period” for the eclipse. The intersection of least cloudy days and most time, was eastern Wyoming, which is why he proposed that Alcon 2017 be held in Casper, Wyoming, just before the Eclipse.
On May 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
Here's the URL: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/keep/eclipsewx2014.jpg On 22 May 2015, at 00:21, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
When eclipse planning mobility is still a must.
Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds.
patrick
On 21 May 2015, at 12:34, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you may find that Lowell Lyon spent a great deal of time looking at average historical cloud covers for that time, and the longest “period” for the eclipse. The intersection of least cloudy days and most time, was eastern Wyoming, which is why he proposed that Alcon 2017 be held in Casper, Wyoming, just before the Eclipse.
On May 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
Not very predictable. From: Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight Here's the URL: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/keep/eclipsewx2014.jpg On 22 May 2015, at 00:21, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
When eclipse planning mobility is still a must.
Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds.
patrick
On 21 May 2015, at 12:34, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you may find that Lowell Lyon spent a great deal of time looking at average historical cloud covers for that time, and the longest “period” for the eclipse. The intersection of least cloudy days and most time, was eastern Wyoming, which is why he proposed that Alcon 2017 be held in Casper, Wyoming, just before the Eclipse.
On May 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
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I love it! I COULD say, "that’s two data points out of perhaps 100 or so recorded", or I COULD say, “Due to Climate change, the last two data points may be most indicative” (but then we have a different sort of discussion taking off from there…), or, I COULD….. just wait and see what the 10 day looks like as the event approaches…. :) But thank you for starting out my day with a laugh!
On May 22, 2015, at 3:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Here's the URL:
http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/keep/eclipsewx2014.jpg
On 22 May 2015, at 00:21, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
When eclipse planning mobility is still a must.
Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds.
patrick
On 21 May 2015, at 12:34, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you may find that Lowell Lyon spent a great deal of time looking at average historical cloud covers for that time, and the longest “period” for the eclipse. The intersection of least cloudy days and most time, was eastern Wyoming, which is why he proposed that Alcon 2017 be held in Casper, Wyoming, just before the Eclipse.
On May 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
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No matter what data tells us, or doesn't tell us, always remember: "Climate" is what you expect. "Weather" is what you get. In the western US, they two don't always coincide on any given day. While a hotel on the centerline sounds comfy, I think I may do what Siegfried is going to do. Be ready to get on the road and drive if need be. The only way I'd consider a chartered flight is if the path of totality was completely over water or otherwise inaccessable. I'm putting a portable telescope/imaging setup in the fun car and planning on an adventure. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I love it! I COULD say, "that’s two data points out of perhaps 100 or so recorded", or I COULD say, “Due to Climate change, the last two data points may be most indicative” (but then we have a different sort of discussion taking off from there…), or, I COULD….. just wait and see what the 10 day looks like as the event approaches…. :) But thank you for starting out my day with a laugh!
On May 22, 2015, at 3:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Here's the URL:
http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/keep/eclipsewx2014.jpg
On 22 May 2015, at 00:21, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
When eclipse planning mobility is still a must.
Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds.
patrick
Any considerations of air traffic control restrictions? There will be thousands of aircraft wanting to fly along a couple mile path at the same time. Landing and parking at an airport anywhere along the eclipse path is likely to be difficult. This is something we haven't experienced in a generation and it is likely to be bedlam. Speaking of weather, if your plans are to adjust and try to drive to a place that is clear, you should reconsider - the roads will likely be entirely packed the day of and before the eclipse. Hotels will be booked well in advance. Perhaps I'm overestimating, but I don't think so. Jared On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
No matter what data tells us, or doesn't tell us, always remember:
"Climate" is what you expect. "Weather" is what you get.
In the western US, they two don't always coincide on any given day.
While a hotel on the centerline sounds comfy, I think I may do what Siegfried is going to do. Be ready to get on the road and drive if need be.
The only way I'd consider a chartered flight is if the path of totality was completely over water or otherwise inaccessable. I'm putting a portable telescope/imaging setup in the fun car and planning on an adventure.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I love it! I COULD say, "that’s two data points out of perhaps 100 or so recorded", or I COULD say, “Due to Climate change, the last two data points may be most indicative” (but then we have a different sort of discussion taking off from there…), or, I COULD….. just wait and see what the 10 day looks like as the event approaches…. :) But thank you for starting out my day with a laugh!
On May 22, 2015, at 3:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Here's the URL:
http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/keep/eclipsewx2014.jpg
On 22 May 2015, at 00:21, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
When eclipse planning mobility is still a must.
Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds.
patrick
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On 22 May 2015, at 09:08, Jared Smith <jared@smithplanet.com> wrote:
Any considerations of air traffic control restrictions?
Not below 18,000' MSL. I don't plan on going much above 10.
There will be thousands of aircraft wanting to fly along a couple mile path at the same time.
I don't know about that many but there are sure to be more than usual. Happily I've got a "fish finder" that alerts me to the presence of other aircraft in the area. Plus I'm sure there will be a lot of position reports being broadcast. FWIW I only plan on flying if the weather is iffy. If the forecast is for severe clear I'll drive. My first total solar was from the air. It was ok. All my others have been from the ground. Much better. patrick
More likely no time at all, the links provided say Salem, Oregon. Sent from my iPad
On May 22, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
When eclipse planning mobility is still a must.
Here are satellite images taken the last couple of years on the day and time the eclipse will happen. Note the location of the clouds.
patrick
On 21 May 2015, at 12:34, Josephine Grahn <jograhn@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you may find that Lowell Lyon spent a great deal of time looking at average historical cloud covers for that time, and the longest “period” for the eclipse. The intersection of least cloudy days and most time, was eastern Wyoming, which is why he proposed that Alcon 2017 be held in Casper, Wyoming, just before the Eclipse.
On May 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
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