Hi, My name is Ben, and I have a few questions. I've been a member of this mailing list for a while, but I haven't said anything, yet. I've had an interest in Astronomy for as long as I can remember, and I want to take that interest a little deeper. I was wondering if someone could suggest a few pieces for a beginner to buy to look up at the stuff above that I can't learn enough about. And maybe, if some of you wouldn't mind, if I could tag along to one of your gazes. It would be very appreciated. Please let me know on an item I could get my hands onto, and if you wouldn't mind if I tagged along with some of you. Thanks, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Ben- Welcome aboard. Your interest in astronomy is exactly what this list serve and it's members are all about. Before you go out and purchase any equipment, spend some time observing with someone; SLAS star parties, SLOC, etc. For example, the Saturn watch (re) scheduled for this weekend. Feel free to contact me off-list and we can discuss going out and doing some observing. Joe Borgione jborgion@yahoo.com Ben Record <specialed112@msn.com> wrote:Hi, My name is Ben, and I have a few questions. I've been a member of this mailing list for a while, but I haven't said anything, yet. I've had an interest in Astronomy for as long as I can remember, and I want to take that interest a little deeper. I was wondering if someone could suggest a few pieces for a beginner to buy to look up at the stuff above that I can't learn enough about. And maybe, if some of you wouldn't mind, if I could tag along to one of your gazes. It would be very appreciated. Please let me know on an item I could get my hands onto, and if you wouldn't mind if I tagged along with some of you. Thanks, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
I am thinking of flying to Cedar City or Milford on the morning of the 1st to see the shuttle re-enter the atmoshpere and am looking for passengers. The cost for the flight is $350 and can be split between three individuals. Any takers? We would be back in Bountiful by around 8am. Brent __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Can anyone tell me what exactly one would see when the shuttle re-enters? Will we see the red glow, or just the shuttle gliding overhead on its final approach to Edwards? Thanks for any info. -- Dan On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Brent Watson wrote:
I am thinking of flying to Cedar City or Milford on the morning of the 1st to see the shuttle re-enter the atmoshpere and am looking for passengers. The cost for the flight is $350 and can be split between three individuals. Any takers? We would be back in Bountiful by around 8am.
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Dan, It is one of the most amazing meteors you will ever see. The shuttle itself is a daglo orange color, and the trai, which lasts for at least one minute, is an irridescent purple. It goes from horizon to horizon. It is really very spectacular. About two or three minutes (it seems like) after the shuttle passes overhead, there is a muffled sonic boom. All in all, a great show. Brent --- hanksdc@plug.org wrote:
Can anyone tell me what exactly one would see when the shuttle re-enters? Will we see the red glow, or just the shuttle gliding overhead on its final approach to Edwards?
Thanks for any info.
-- Dan
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I am thinking of flying to Cedar City or Milford on the morning of the 1st to see the shuttle re-enter the atmoshpere and am looking for passengers. The cost for the flight is $350 and can be split between three individuals. Any takers? We would be back in Bountiful by around 8am.
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Sounds fun, so here's a few more questions: - I assume I'd want to bring some binos? - When and where will be the best time/place for seeing it? (Please forgive if these details have been posted elsewhere, I managed to miss them if they were). Thanks again, -- Dan On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Brent Watson wrote:
Dan,
It is one of the most amazing meteors you will ever see. The shuttle itself is a daglo orange color, and the trai, which lasts for at least one minute, is an irridescent purple. It goes from horizon to horizon. It is really very spectacular. About two or three minutes (it seems like) after the shuttle passes overhead, there is a muffled sonic boom. All in all, a great show.
Brent
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Can anyone tell me what exactly one would see when the shuttle re-enters? Will we see the red glow, or just the shuttle gliding overhead on its final approach to Edwards?
Thanks for any info.
-- Dan
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I am thinking of flying to Cedar City or Milford on the morning of the 1st to see the shuttle re-enter the atmoshpere and am looking for passengers. The cost for the flight is $350 and can be split between three individuals. Any takers? We would be back in Bountiful by around 8am.
Brent
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I'm not sure you want binos. Maybe for a few seconds, but the shuttle moves pretty quickly. It is a great naked eye sight. The train goes from horizon to horizon. The whole show lasts less than 5 minutes, and then its back home. That's why flying is better. Its only about an hour and a half flight as opposed to a 3 - 4 hour drive (one way).
From Patrick's "News", the location seems to be around Cedar City on the 1st about an hour before sunrise. These times and locations will be tweaked before entry.
Brent --- hanksdc@plug.org wrote:
Sounds fun, so here's a few more questions:
- I assume I'd want to bring some binos? - When and where will be the best time/place for seeing it?
(Please forgive if these details have been posted elsewhere, I managed to miss them if they were).
Thanks again,
-- Dan
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Brent Watson wrote:
Dan,
It is one of the most amazing meteors you will ever see. The shuttle itself is a daglo orange color, and the trai, which lasts for at least one minute, is an irridescent purple. It goes from horizon to horizon. It is really very spectacular. About two or three minutes (it seems like) after the shuttle passes overhead, there is a muffled sonic boom. All in all, a great show.
Brent
--- hanksdc@plug.org wrote:
Can anyone tell me what exactly one would see when the shuttle re-enters? Will we see the red glow, or just the shuttle gliding overhead on its final approach to Edwards?
Thanks for any info.
-- Dan
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Brent Watson wrote:
I am thinking of flying to Cedar City or Milford on the morning of the 1st to see the shuttle re-enter the atmoshpere and am looking for passengers. The cost for the flight is $350 and can be split between three individuals. Any takers? We would be back in Bountiful by around 8am.
Brent
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This morning my wife noticed that the moon seemed awfully far north when it set. Question for the group: how often does it get this far north? I tried to say it had something to do with the winter solstice, but she pointed out the solstice was several weeks ago. So am I still right, or is there some other odd reason I don't understand? Thanks, Joe Joe Bauman science & military reporter Deseret News bau@desnews.com (801) 237-2169
Joe: The moon always stays in the ecliptic, like the planets. In winter, the ecliptic is north of the equator, in summer, south. That's why summertime oppositions always find the planets low in the sky. Now, the moon traverses the entire ecliptic every month, but near full it is always opposite the sun. Look at your charts and see where on the ecliptic it happened to be sitting when you noticed it...it will be well north of the equator. I'll give you partial credit for the 'solstice' answer. Chuck --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote:
This morning my wife noticed that the moon seemed awfully far north when it set. Question for the group: how often does it get this far north? I tried to say it had something to do with the winter solstice, but she pointed out the solstice was several weeks ago. So am I still right, or is there some other odd reason I don't understand? Thanks, Joe
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Hummm, thanks -- I hate to be partially right, though. -- Joe Joe Bauman science & military reporter Deseret News bau@desnews.com (801) 237-2169
Well, I gave partial credit 'cause you're a friend. If it makes you feel better, tell her you were totally wrong! ;) C. --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote:
Hummm, thanks -- I hate to be partially right, though. -- Joe
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She already knows that!
Well, I gave partial credit 'cause you're a friend. If it makes you feel better, tell her you were totally wrong! ;)
C.
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Hummm, thanks -- I hate to be partially right, though. -- Joe
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Brent (or anyone in the know), is Clave' still in business? If so, who is the current US distributor? For years it was Cross Optics; are they still around? I have a full set of UO Konig-2 in 1.25", the old ones, have had them for about fifteen or twenty years. I noticed some time ago that the 6.5mm & 8mm were dropped from the line, and the new ones are not as fancy as the old ones. These eyepieces are tack-sharp on-axis, however they do exibit some ghosting if a bright planet is slightly off-axis. I absolutely love them for deep-sky, however. One of my favorite tricks is to use my 2.8x Klee barlow with a longer-focal-length eyepiece, to get high power with good eye-relief. Although marketed as a "correcting" Barlow for Newtonians, it works great with refractors and compound telescopes as well. I also have their entire line of 2" eyepieces, except for the Pretoria 28mm, which I sold a couple of years ago when I got my Lumicon coma-corrector. The 32mm WideScan and 40mm 7/70 are magnificent wide-field, well-corrected eyepieces. The Limited Edition 55mm (no longer available) is like looking through a porthole! Does anyone else use UO eyepieces? Chuck __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Everyone, my home computer died a horrible, noisy death last night as the bearings on my hard-drive seized up. I no longer have email at home. In coming weeks, as time permits, I will try and ressurect my old computer, but as it has no modem and the budget is bleak this soon after Christmas, I may not be able get it on-line anytime soon. In the meantime, I will try and stay subscribed to my lists, but know that I will not be able to reply on weeknights and about half the weekends. I'm sure some of you are thanking your deity at this point. The monitor died last week, and the failure of the computer itself this week smacks of "planned obsolescence". It was only 2 years old, far too young to die! My advice: Stay away from HP hardware, it is just as much the devil as Mr. Gates. If I can be of help, don't hesitate to call me at home in the evenings: 801-969-5647. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Chuck's tale of woe brings to mind a thread that ran here a few months ago about maintaining access to old files. Most agreed the only way to do it is to take the time to convert old files to new formats so current computers can access them. So, several nights ago I thought I'd give it a try. I had no idea how many old files I had. The set up I used to do this looks a bit odd. At one end of the line is my original 1984 Mac Plus (still chugging away, btw), at the other my brand new G4. In between a G3 and another Mac I don't remember the name of. I can only thank Steve Jobs for using software that will run the basically same software on all of those machines (are you listening Bill Gates?). So, after some 30+ hours of switching floppies (remember floppies?) and ZIP disks and I'm about done. Nearly 20 years of journals, letters, financial records and some stuff I have no idea why I converted and everything is current and ready to be archived on CD. Whew! Patrick Chuck Hards wrote:
Everyone, my home computer died a horrible, noisy death last night as the bearings on my hard-drive seized up.
Having gone through similar misery, I sympathize. The good part is that once it's on CD, you can make several copies and not worry about losing it. Also it's then easy to copy from computer to computer. -- jb Joe Bauman science & military reporter Deseret News bau@desnews.com (801) 237-2169
Chuck, I owe you, and am glad to lend some computer assistance when you are able to put in a new hard drive (you can get quite a lot of bang for today's buck BTW). Hope you had any critical data on the old one backed up... :-) Call me, Rich 801-785-4403 home (lindon) 801-553-6629 work (draper) --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
Everyone, my home computer died a horrible, noisy death last night as the bearings on my hard-drive seized up. I no longer have email at home. In coming weeks, as time permits, I will try and ressurect my old computer, but as it has no modem and the budget is bleak this soon after Christmas, I may not be able get it on-line anytime soon.
In the meantime, I will try and stay subscribed to my lists, but know that I will not be able to reply on weeknights and about half the weekends. I'm sure some of you are thanking your deity at this point.
The monitor died last week, and the failure of the computer itself this week smacks of "planned obsolescence". It was only 2 years old, far too young to die! My advice: Stay away from HP hardware, it is just as much the devil as Mr. Gates.
If I can be of help, don't hesitate to call me at home in the evenings: 801-969-5647.
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I usually start work at 9 am these days, but thanks to a school holiday today, I got to start early. Was surprised by the appearence of Scorpius...Delta is still bright, and I was thrown for a minute by the "nova", until I realized it was Mars! And Venus is always just brilliant, beautiful. I miss seeing the early-morning sky on a regular basis.... Chuck __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
I took out the 6" Saturday night to peek at Saturn...Maximum magnification possible was between 280-300x. The crepe ring was obvious, but the seeing wouldn't support more aperture at my location (Jupiter was a mess, down low as it was) by the time I turned-in at about ten. Couldn't detect either the Enke gap or minima, just not enough aperture. I'll try the 10" next weekend, weather permitting. Did anyone with a big scope detect the gap or minima this weekend? Of course I had to peek at M42. I'm always amazed how this object can pucnch-through light pollution and moonlight. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Joe, The moon does not follow the ecliptic exactly. I don't remember the numbers exactly, but the moon's orbit is tilted WRT the ecliptic by around 11 degrees. Because of the precession of the node of the moon's orbit, this means that the moon can be 11 degrees north OR south of the ecliptic anywhere along the ecliptic. It MAY be that the moon is 11 degrees north now, and adding that to the ecliptic being in the northern sky, the moon will set very far north. This being said, I just checked the position of the moon and it is only about 2 degrees north of the ecliptic. Your answer is most of the reason, but the tilt of the mon's orbit is adding an additional 2 degrees. (Not much - about 4 lunar diameters.) Brent --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote:
This morning my wife noticed that the moon seemed awfully far north when it set. Question for the group: how often does it get this far north? I tried to say it had something to do with the winter solstice, but she pointed out the solstice was several weeks ago. So am I still right, or is there some other odd reason I don't understand? Thanks, Joe
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It's actually 11 degrees total variation from the ecliptic. Roughly 5.5 degrees from each node (point the mood crosses the ecliptic): INCLINATION - Varies about 5 degrees 8' 43" (5.145 degrees) from Ecliptic Moon can be 37,000 km. (5.29 degrees) above/below Ecliptic Max. 29 degrees N. or S. Declination, Varies 59' (.15 degrees) in 173 day period Moon Can Occult any Star 5.5 degrees from Ecliptic dlb On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Brent Watson wrote:
Joe,
The moon does not follow the ecliptic exactly. I don't remember the numbers exactly, but the moon's orbit is tilted WRT the ecliptic by around 11 degrees. Because of the precession of the node of the moon's orbit, this means that the moon can be 11 degrees north OR south of the ecliptic anywhere along the ecliptic. It MAY be that the moon is 11 degrees north now, and adding that to the ecliptic being in the northern sky, the moon will set very far north.
This being said, I just checked the position of the moon and it is only about 2 degrees north of the ecliptic. Your answer is most of the reason, but the tilt of the mon's orbit is adding an additional 2 degrees. (Not much - about 4 lunar diameters.)
Brent
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Mood? I've now crossed the line into astrology! Dave Bennett President Salt Lake Astrological Society On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 11:03 AM, David Bennett wrote:
It's actually 11 degrees total variation from the ecliptic. Roughly 5.5 degrees from each node (point the mood crosses the ecliptic):
Dave Bennett President Salt Lake Astrological Society Uh oh... we're in trouble now... ;) -------Original Message------- From: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:11:04 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Moon Mood? I've now crossed the line into astrology! Dave Bennett President Salt Lake Astrological Society On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 11:03 AM, David Bennett wrote:
It's actually 11 degrees total variation from the ecliptic. Roughly 5.5 degrees from each node (point the mood crosses the ecliptic):
Brent Watson wrote:
The moon does not follow the ecliptic exactly. I don't remember the numbers exactly, but the moon's orbit is tilted WRT the ecliptic by around 11 degrees.
Good guess. For a quick reference list of such data see http://planet.state.ut.us/files/SSFACTS.TXT . Patrick
Ben, If you'd like to know a great book that has an extraordinary amount of information in it to help the budding astronomer I would highly suggest looking at "The Backyard Astronomers Guide" by Dickinson & Dyer! The second edition just came out and it is absolutely amazing. I bought the first edition when I was just starting out, before I even knew what the difference between a reflector and schmidt cassegrain was, but after reading this book I knew enough to have decent conversations with members of the astronomy club at star parties, and I knew what to look for, and what to avoid when I started buying telescopes and eyepieces, they even discuss binoculars, photography and CCD imaging and a lot more! The imagery is inspiring and they have charts, tips, pretty much everything you need to get going in the right direction. You should be able to find it at any Borders or Barnes&Nobles. I'd also echo everyone else's advice to come to the star parties, they're free and fun, and a great way to "test drive" any possible scopes and accessories, not to mention we're all pretty friendly (just don't put fingerprints on our eyepieces) Good Luck and welcome to the hobby that becomes an obsession. :-) Howard --- Ben Record <specialed112@msn.com> wrote:
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My name is Ben, and I have a few questions. I've been a member of this mailing list for a while, but I haven't said anything, yet. I've had an interest in Astronomy for as long as I can remember, and I want to take that interest a little deeper. I was wondering if someone could suggest a few pieces for a beginner to buy to look up at the stuff above that I can't learn enough about. And maybe, if some of you wouldn't mind, if I could tag along to one of your gazes. It would be very appreciated. Please let me know on an item I could get my hands onto, and if you wouldn't mind if I tagged along with some of you.
Thanks, Ben
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Howard, Ben, etc. Debbie Whitaker was just crowing about that very book to me on the phone this afternoon (she found a copy in the St. George library), so that's two recommendations. Rich --- Howard Jackman <sumoetx@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ben,
If you'd like to know a great book that has an extraordinary amount of information in it to help the budding astronomer I would highly suggest looking at "The Backyard Astronomers Guide" by Dickinson & Dyer! The second edition just came out and it is absolutely amazing. I bought the first edition when I was just starting out, before I even knew what the difference between a reflector and schmidt cassegrain was, but after reading this book I knew enough to have decent conversations with members of the astronomy club at star parties, and I knew what to look for, and what to avoid when I started buying telescopes and eyepieces, they even discuss binoculars, photography and CCD imaging and a lot more! The imagery is inspiring and they have charts, tips, pretty much everything you need to get going in the right direction. You should be able to find it at any Borders or Barnes&Nobles.
I'd also echo everyone else's advice to come to the star parties, they're free and fun, and a great way to "test drive" any possible scopes and accessories, not to mention we're all pretty friendly (just don't put fingerprints on our eyepieces) Good Luck and welcome to the hobby that becomes an obsession. :-)
Howard
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My name is Ben, and I have a few questions. I've been a member of this mailing list for a while, but I haven't said anything, yet. I've had an interest in Astronomy for as long as I can remember, and I want to take that interest a little deeper. I was wondering if someone could suggest a few pieces for a beginner to buy to look up at the stuff above that I can't learn enough about. And maybe, if some of you wouldn't mind, if I could tag along to one of your gazes. It would be very appreciated. Please let me know on an item I could get my hands onto, and if you wouldn't mind if I tagged along with some of you.
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