Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related Must have been a boring day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Hi Kim, Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in my plane. :) I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch. I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight. However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything. patrick On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable, sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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Can you tell us where the relevant footage is? Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of sfisher01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related Must have been a boring day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Hi Kim, Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in my plane. :) I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch. I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight. However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything. patrick On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable, sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Kim Hyatt <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Try this link, which should start playing at 36:15. The narrator mentions the Tyvek covers on the RCS engines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwqZ4qAUkE#t=36m15s
Thanks, Chris. Sounds like those are the elements that we saw "inflate" and peel away in the video that Patrick shared. Mystery solved? Maybe? Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 10:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Kim Hyatt <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Try this link, which should start playing at 36:15. The narrator mentions the Tyvek covers on the RCS engines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwqZ4qAUkE#t=36m15s _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3486 - Release Date: 03/06/11
I don't know whether the question about what was apparently a "pyrotechnic" event just before the spent booster hit the water has been answered or not, but that is what it is. Last May I went to Florida and got to watch the launch of STS132, Atlantis, with a group from ATK Thiokol. A couple of days later we watched them tow the spent boosters back to the NASA facility to be disassembled and examined before they were returned to Utah to be refurbished and reused. The pyrotechnic you noticed and the object you saw hitting the water just before the spent booster hit the water was the nozzle itself. It is blasted off the end of the booster because the engineers say that the heavy nozzle would make it likely that the spent booster would hit the water nozzle first, if it were still attached. They think that if it hit water straight on, nozzle first, the shock would do so much damage to the rocket casings that they would not be able to re-use them. With the nozzles gone from the end of the boosters, divers have to insert plugs into the end of the boosters before they sink. When the plugs are in place, the boosters can be secured horizontally to the side of the ships which tow them back. Even this minuscule detail of the retrieval of the spent boosters is another very complex problem which needs to be attended to and it is nothing in the total scheme of things. I don't know how any of the shuttle flights are ever successful.
From: kimharch@cut.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Thanks, Chris. Sounds like those are the elements that we saw "inflate" and peel away in the video that Patrick shared. Mystery solved? Maybe?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 10:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Kim Hyatt <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Try this link, which should start playing at 36:15. The narrator mentions the Tyvek covers on the RCS engines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwqZ4qAUkE#t=36m15s _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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Thanks Wayne. Does that mean the nozzles are not recovered? When I first heard someone describe using divers to manually insert a plug in the SRBs I thought they were kidding. Surely, I thought, NASA must use a more high tech way of doing it. But then I saw the pictures. Sometimes low tech works just fine (just ask the Russians and the 50+ year old design of their boosters). Regarding your last sentence, the piece on Science Friday I referenced earlier noted that with all the data NASA has now, they calculate the the odds of losing an orbiter early in the program were 1 in 10 or even 1 in 9. patrick p.s. I still want to go... On 07 Mar 2011, at 00:06, WAYNE S CLARKE wrote:
I don't know whether the question about what was apparently a "pyrotechnic" event just before the spent booster hit the water has been answered or not, but that is what it is.
Last May I went to Florida and got to watch the launch of STS132, Atlantis, with a group from ATK Thiokol. A couple of days later we watched them tow the spent boosters back to the NASA facility to be disassembled and examined before they were returned to Utah to be refurbished and reused. The pyrotechnic you noticed and the object you saw hitting the water just before the spent booster hit the water was the nozzle itself. It is blasted off the end of the booster because the engineers say that the heavy nozzle would make it likely that the spent booster would hit the water nozzle first, if it were still attached. They think that if it hit water straight on, nozzle first, the shock would do so much damage to the rocket casings that they would not be able to re-use them. With the nozzles gone from the end of the boosters, divers have to insert plugs into the end of the boosters before they sink. When the plugs are in place, the boosters can be secured horizontally to the side of the ships which tow them back. Even this minuscule detail of the retrieval of the spent boosters is another very complex problem which needs to be attended to and it is nothing in the total scheme of things. I don't know how any of the shuttle flights are ever successful.
Not as clear as the original posting but look at 32:20 and they are seen falling away also. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Can you tell us where the relevant footage is? Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of sfisher01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related Must have been a boring day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery Hi Kim, Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in my plane. :) I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch. I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight. However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything. patrick On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable, sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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No, the shuttle booster motor nozzles are not recovered. They and the huge external main fuel tank are considered expendable.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:39:34 +0000 From: sfisher01@comcast.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Not as clear as the original posting but look at 32:20 and they are seen falling away also.
Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of sfisher01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related
Must have been a boring day.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Hi Kim,
Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in my plane. :)
I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch.
I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight.
However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer
me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
patrick
On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable, sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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Which begs the question I have heard before but don't believe I have ever heard answered. Do the external tanks re enter the atmosphere or are they "up there" somewhere? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "WAYNE S CLARKE" <waynesclarke@msn.com> To: "utah astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 9:19:24 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery No, the shuttle booster motor nozzles are not recovered. They and the huge external main fuel tank are considered expendable.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:39:34 +0000 From: sfisher01@comcast.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Not as clear as the original posting but look at 32:20 and they are seen falling away also.
Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of sfisher01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related
Must have been a boring day.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Hi Kim,
Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in my plane. :)
I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch.
I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight.
However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer
me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
patrick
On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable, sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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The external tanks re-enter the atmosphere and break up upon impact with the ocean. They are "down there" somewhere.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:55:13 +0000 From: sfisher01@comcast.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Which begs the question I have heard before but don't believe I have ever heard answered. Do the external tanks re enter the atmosphere or are they "up there" somewhere?
Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "WAYNE S CLARKE" <waynesclarke@msn.com> To: "utah astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 9:19:24 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
No, the shuttle booster motor nozzles are not recovered. They and the huge external main fuel tank are considered expendable.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:39:34 +0000 From: sfisher01@comcast.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Not as clear as the original posting but look at 32:20 and they are seen falling away also.
Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of sfisher01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related
Must have been a boring day.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Hi Kim,
Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in my plane. :)
I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch.
I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight.
However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer
me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
patrick
On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable, sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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No wonder the damn things are so expensive to fly. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+kimharch=cut.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+kimharch=cut.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of WAYNE S CLARKE Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:19 AM To: utah astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery No, the shuttle booster motor nozzles are not recovered. They and the huge external main fuel tank are considered expendable.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:39:34 +0000 From: sfisher01@comcast.net To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Not as clear as the original posting but look at 32:20 and they are seen falling away also.
Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Can you tell us where the relevant footage is?
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of sfisher01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
I found this one that shows "those objects" coming lose and falling away in one of the clips. The Video is long but should appeal to the engineers and
photographers in the crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&feature=related
Must have been a boring day.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2011 7:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Thanks, Patrick. That really piqued my curiosity. Thanks to you and Jay for sharing the links to these amazing videos.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
Hi Kim,
Actually when I first saw them they reminded me of the barf bags I keep in
my plane. :)
I think you are right about their being some sort of devices that protect something while on the ground but which are designed to separate at launch.
I checked my online resources but found nothing. Not really surprising since most all of my ambassador training has very little to do with human spaceflight.
However, I did email one of my supervisors at NASA asking if she could refer
me to someone that could answer shuttle related questions. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
patrick
On 06 Mar 2011, at 17:36, Kim Hyatt wrote:
Hey, Solar System Ambassador, can you find out from NASA just what that stuff was? Didn't look like ice but looked like some kind of inflatable,
sacrificial element.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Last Launch of Discovery
On 06 Mar 2011, at 12:14, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
However, did you notice that something flew off the rocket and smash into
the underside of Discovery?
Regarding stuff coming off, check out this view through Discovery's pilot's windscreen from 48 to 56 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhuGwQq7qZk&feature=related
patrick
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