"Black Hole" racist?
For your Sunday morning viewing enjoyment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-akk3gog34&feature=related And now to end on a lighter note, here (Siegfried) are the videos we talked about at Advanced Training last evening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adc3MSS5Ydc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY Night all, patrick
Aloha I was watching a program yesterday about 'traders' that included the Taureg of N. Africa. An old trader said he used the 'Star of the Orient' as his guide, I looked at the Googled lists but nothing is named that way. anyone know what star that might be?? The Star of the Orient ???? Aloha Rob
I wondered if Richard Hinckley Allen's "Star Names Their Lore and Meaning" might have a reference but I found none through a Google search of a site that includes the entire text of his book. My own copy is still in a box somewhere... Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Photography Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:04 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Star of the Orient Aloha I was watching a program yesterday about 'traders' that included the Taureg of N. Africa. An old trader said he used the 'Star of the Orient' as his guide, I looked at the Googled lists but nothing is named that way. anyone know what star that might be?? The Star of the Orient ???? Aloha Rob _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM
I've been away from my computer for a few days, so I've missed a lot. I see that no one responded to this message from Patrick. The audio card in my computer is failing, so I can't listen to the audio stream, but the comments from other readers are astonishing. Most imply (or say explicitly) that we should be aware of terms such as "dark energy" and "dark matter" in addition to avoiding the term "black hole." I agree with the other comments that I've read that it is all nonsense, but I don't have any African-American friends here in Sanpete to ask about it. (We're pretty much all Northern-European-Americans here). Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:48 AM To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist? For your Sunday morning viewing enjoyment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-akk3gog34&feature=related And now to end on a lighter note, here (Siegfried) are the videos we talked about at Advanced Training last evening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adc3MSS5Ydc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY Night all, patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM
This entire issue has gone too far. I am generaly offended by comments that are truely racist. But lets get real. A Black Hole is very well named and has "NO" racist connotation. Likewise with "Dark-Energy or Matter". The news story I heard about this listed many terms that included "Black" that are or should be considered racist. Black holes and Dark Matter were included along with "Black Sheep of the Family". I don't see that "Black Sheep of the Family" is a racist comment. It refers to black sheep that are placed in a herd to aid as an estimate of numbers. I will continue to call Black holes by this name as well as Dark-Matter. If someone feels this offensive, I suggest they study the meaning behind the name before they become vocal about their feeling. Rodger Fry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist?
I've been away from my computer for a few days, so I've missed a lot. I see that no one responded to this message from Patrick. The audio card in my computer is failing, so I can't listen to the audio stream, but the comments from other readers are astonishing. Most imply (or say explicitly) that we should be aware of terms such as "dark energy" and "dark matter" in addition to avoiding the term "black hole." I agree with the other comments that I've read that it is all nonsense, but I don't have any African-American friends here in Sanpete to ask about it. (We're pretty much all Northern-European-Americans here).
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:48 AM To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist?
For your Sunday morning viewing enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-akk3gog34&feature=related
And now to end on a lighter note, here (Siegfried) are the videos we talked about at Advanced Training last evening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adc3MSS5Ydc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY
Night all,
patrick
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Perhaps when they heard it for the first time they did not hear the L in the pronunciation... no offense intended.
I would agree that "Black Hole" to describe the phenomenon is right on. However, I have known some minority types to be very sensitive about some words and with good reason in some cases. Erik This entire issue has gone too far. I am generaly offended by comments
that are truely racist. But lets get real. A Black Hole is very well named and has "NO" racist connotation. Likewise with "Dark-Energy or Matter". The news story I heard about this listed many terms that included "Black" that are or should be considered racist. Black holes and Dark Matter were included along with "Black Sheep of the Family". I don't see that "Black Sheep of the Family" is a racist comment. It refers to black sheep that are placed in a herd to aid as an estimate of numbers.
I will continue to call Black holes by this name as well as Dark-Matter. If someone feels this offensive, I suggest they study the meaning behind the name before they become vocal about their feeling.
Rodger Fry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist?
I've been away from my computer for a few days, so I've missed a lot. I see that no one responded to this message from Patrick. The audio card in my computer is failing, so I can't listen to the audio stream, but the comments from other readers are astonishing. Most imply (or say explicitly) that we should be aware of terms such as "dark energy" and "dark matter" in addition to avoiding the term "black hole." I agree with the other comments that I've read that it is all nonsense, but I don't have any African-American friends here in Sanpete to ask about it. (We're pretty much all Northern-European-Americans here).
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:48 AM To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist?
For your Sunday morning viewing enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-akk3gog34&feature=related
And now to end on a lighter note, here (Siegfried) are the videos we talked about at Advanced Training last evening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adc3MSS5Ydc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY
Night all,
patrick
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I agree with Rodger. "African-American matter" just doesn't work for astro-physicists when talking about non-baryonic matter in the universe. ;o) Remember that the U.S. Constitution makes no guarantees against insult; even when there really isn't any.
According to Kip S. Thorne: When John Wheeler coined the term "black hole" back in 1967, he did not seek a concensus on the term, instead he just started using it and every one else just followed..... except for the French for whom the term had an obscene connotation, they resisted for several years. DT --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Rodger Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Rodger Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist? To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 4:56 PM This entire issue has gone too far. I am generaly offended by comments that are truely racist. But lets get real. A Black Hole is very well named and has "NO" racist connotation. Likewise with "Dark-Energy or Matter". The news story I heard about this listed many terms that included "Black" that are or should be considered racist. Black holes and Dark Matter were included along with "Black Sheep of the Family". I don't see that "Black Sheep of the Family" is a racist comment. It refers to black sheep that are placed in a herd to aid as an estimate of numbers.
I will continue to call Black holes by this name as well as Dark-Matter. If someone feels this offensive, I suggest they study the meaning behind the name before they become vocal about their feeling.
Rodger Fry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim" <kimharch@cut.net> To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist?
I've been away from my computer for a few days, so I've missed a lot. I see that no one responded to this message from Patrick. The audio card in my computer is failing, so I can't listen to the audio stream, but the comments from other readers are astonishing. Most imply (or say explicitly) that we should be aware of terms such as "dark energy" and "dark matter" in addition to avoiding the term "black hole." I agree with the other comments that I've read that it is all nonsense, but I don't have any African-American friends here in Sanpete to ask about it. (We're pretty much all Northern-European-Americans here).
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:48 AM To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] "Black Hole" racist?
For your Sunday morning viewing enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-akk3gog34&feature=related
And now to end on a lighter note, here (Siegfried) are
the videos we
talked about at Advanced Training last evening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adc3MSS5Ydc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY
Night all,
patrick
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