Re: [Utah-astronomy] Quite an admission from NASA head
This guy needs to line up behind FEMA's Mike Brown. "O'yah, it was all those other prior administrations that did it."
Don't agree with you at all Kurt. The shuttle is certainly too old now, but it was misguided from the start. It was the height of foolishness to put all of our heavy lift options into one basket. It meant that people had to risk their lives simply to launch large satellites. It also meant we had a craft that was a compromise in every way: Its size and shape forced unnecessary restrictions on large payload. It was a disaster for human space flight, never able to go more than a few hundred miles up, lugging around a lot of empty space. Many of us felt that way from the beginning, and I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Griffin had been among them. He's first and foremost an engineer and only secondarily a bureaucrat.
I can't agree with Kurt either, neither about the shuttle (Michael's on the right track in my opinion) or about FEMA. The Louisiana governor and the Mayor of New Orleans (both clearly showing they have ZERO leadership skills) should have resigned before the FEMA director. The people of New Orleans should be looking at themselves as a huge part of the problems that happened there (the shooting, looting, rapes, murders, etc.). Many of them are a product of a very dysfunctional society. We used to value morals & self reliance in this country. We used to expect people to be responsible for themselves and their actions. People took pride in themselves and worked hard instead of expecting handouts and expecting the gov't to wipe their noses for them. The people in the Superdome could have banded together to protect each other from the murders and rapes but no, they sat around complaining and acting helpless when there was really a lot they could have done working together to make it safer and more bearable. The misbehavior & helpless attitudes of many New Orleans citizens, the local politicians' incompetence and total lack of any planning whatsoever- all these things made it harder for the displaced people to get help and that's the Feds fault? Puhlease!!!!!! I'm sick of the democrats trying to turn this country into another Canada. We need less socialism, not more. Sadly, many people will only do the bare minimum that is required of them, so if you offer handouts, they'll take them and become dependent and helpless instead of showing some backbone and ambition and working to earn things for themselves. Just ask my husband about all his lazy slacker Canadian relatives. Michael Carnes <michaelcarnes@earthlink.net> wrote:>This guy needs to line up behind FEMA's Mike Brown.
"O'yah, it was all those other prior administrations that did it."
Don't agree with you at all Kurt. The shuttle is certainly too old now, but it was misguided from the start. It was the height of foolishness to put all of our heavy lift options into one basket. It meant that people had to risk their lives simply to launch large satellites. It also meant we had a craft that was a compromise in every way: Its size and shape forced unnecessary restrictions on large payload. It was a disaster for human space flight, never able to go more than a few hundred miles up, lugging around a lot of empty space. Many of us felt that way from the beginning, and I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Griffin had been among them. He's first and foremost an engineer and only secondarily a bureaucrat. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Let's not talk about Katrina anymore. Not really astronomy related. Nor are the low income people who have it very, very hard. I've worked in it, been there, it's not pleasant. And I really don't think anyone who hasn't had first hand experience with those who are poverty stricken, will really ever understand. Thanks, Cynthia South Jordan Mom wrote:
I can't agree with Kurt either, neither about the shuttle (Michael's on the right track in my opinion) or about FEMA. The Louisiana governor and the Mayor of New Orleans (both clearly showing they have ZERO leadership skills) should have resigned before the FEMA director. The people of New Orleans should be looking at themselves as a huge part of the problems that happened there (the shooting, looting, rapes, murders, etc.). Many of them are a product of a very dysfunctional society. We used to value morals & self reliance in this country. We used to expect people to be responsible for themselves and their actions. People took pride in themselves and worked hard instead of expecting handouts and expecting the gov't to wipe their noses for them. The people in the Superdome could have banded together to protect each other from the murders and rapes but no, they sat around complaining and acting helpless when there was really a lot they could have done working together to make it safer and more bearable. The misbehavior & helpless attitudes of many New Orleans citizens, the local politicians' incompetence and total lack of any planning whatsoever- all these things made it harder for the displaced people to get help and that's the Feds fault? Puhlease!!!!!! I'm sick of the democrats trying to turn this country into another Canada. We need less socialism, not more. Sadly, many people will only do the bare minimum that is required of them, so if you offer handouts, they'll take them and become dependent and helpless instead of showing some backbone and ambition and working to earn things for themselves. Just ask my husband about all his lazy slacker Canadian relatives.
Michael Carnes <michaelcarnes@earthlink.net> wrote:>This guy needs to line up behind FEMA's Mike Brown.
"O'yah, it was all those other prior administrations that did it."
Don't agree with you at all Kurt. The shuttle is certainly too old now, but it was misguided from the start. It was the height of foolishness to put all of our heavy lift options into one basket. It meant that people had to risk their lives simply to launch large satellites. It also meant we had a craft that was a compromise in every way: Its size and shape forced unnecessary restrictions on large payload. It was a disaster for human space flight, never able to go more than a few hundred miles up, lugging around a lot of empty space.
Many of us felt that way from the beginning, and I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Griffin had been among them. He's first and foremost an engineer and only secondarily a bureaucrat.
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