Re: [Utah-astronomy] LCROSS Science result deferred
Some more notes on the mystery of the plumeless crater Over the next month, the LCROSS team will reconstruct the event in more detail. The plume failure will turn out to be more of a p.r. problem than a loss of science information problem. (The p.r. problem is that the general public was expecting a plume and they are stakeholders as the financiers of this and future NASA missions.) Part of the LCROSS team event science reconstruction probably will address the lack of observable plume. So, how do you dig a 1 meter deep by 20 meter diameter crater (about the size of a house foundation), excavate between 200 and 350 metric tons of dirt and not have a plume? What we do know is that the impact crater appears to be right-predicted size but no plume was observed. A top 10 list of possible causes for a "good" crater but no plume are: 1) The plume was there at expected density and was just to faint, because: a) The sunlight-topography model was wrong and the curtain never reached the sunlight. b) The impacter hit a slope and the ejecta angle sprayed most of the mass on the back of M1. c) The impacter hit a boulder in a boulder field and broke up just before hitting the surface. d) The topography model was wrong and the plume was blocked from Earth view. e) The unknown site specific surface material was compressed rock, not regolith (the rock ledge theory). g) (My speculative contribution) They hit a thinly buried ice shelf and most of the ejecta was in the form of gas (the ice ledge theory). 2) The plume was not there or was only a faint, less-dense-than predicted curtain, because: a) The plume model was wrong - the plume was much less dense than modeled. Basic physics principles for optics controlled the plume's visiblity. If it was less bright than the "black" shadow region, even Palomar's 200 inch cannot take an image of the plume that is fainter than the shadowed portion of the crater against which was the background. b) The plume model was right but the surface materials were not what was anticipated. Same as 1(b)(c) and (d). The science review with the additional LRO imagery probably will address and answer these questions. Clear skies - Kurt P.S. - Hubble had a negative spectral detection but are reviewing their results. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/26/full "Hubble's Wide Field Camera 3 (WFC3) and Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph (STIS) were pointed just off the southern limb of the moon to look for a cloud of vaporized material blasted into space by the successive impacts of the rocket booster and spacecraft. The WFC3 images do not show any evidence for a temporary exosphere resulting from the impacts. . . . A preliminary analysis of the STIS spectra do not show any clear evidence for hydroxyl, but further analysis is needed," said Hubble co-investigator Alex Storrs. The Hubble team plans on further analysis of their data." Keck gathered data but is analyzing results. http://keckobservatory.org/index.php/news/a_new_view_of_the_moon
Hi all, I wanted to post a movie to my gallery -- a closeup of the Centaur impact site at the time of the impact -- but every time I put it in, it won't play. Can anyone tell me how to do it? I've made a .wav file. Thanks, Joe
On 11 Oct 2009, at 14:28, Joe Bauman wrote:
Hi all, I wanted to post a movie to my gallery -- a closeup of the Centaur impact site at the time of the impact -- but every time I put it in, it won't play. Can anyone tell me how to do it? I've made a .wav file. Thanks, Joe
Is the file very bog? I seem to remember that the list will not accept images over a certain size. patrick
Hi Patrick, I don't think it was very big, but I did it another way: I created two new albums and uploaded the individual photos to them. Then you can do a slide show command, and speed it up, to see the views animated. (In my last note I accidentally said to put your "curse" on something -- I meant "curser." Thanks, Joe --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] animation To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:06 PM On 11 Oct 2009, at 14:28, Joe Bauman wrote:
Hi all, I wanted to post a movie to my gallery -- a closeup of the Centaur impact site at the time of the impact -- but every time I put it in, it won't play. Can anyone tell me how to do it? I've made a .wav file. Thanks, Joe
Is the file very bog? I seem to remember that the list will not accept images over a certain size. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Hi, I have uploaded two new albums to my gallery. The first is a set of photos I took between 5:31 and 5:31:38 a.m., 10-9-09, of the LCROSS target region, shown in full frame. The second is the same, but with the frames cropped and enlarged to show where it was to hit. To see them as an animation, click on the first view in each album, tell it you want a slideshow, and make the slideshow fast so it won't take a minute and a half to run through these images. To make it fast, put your curse on the icon to enlarge the view, at the lower right, and move just above that to options. You can speed up the slideshow, and tell it to loop if you wish. The first part of the first album is at: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2454 The first part of the second album is at: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2529 I don't know what it shows and maybe when I go through my many dozens of other photos I'll know better. But for now, please pay particular attention to the difference between pic3 44 and 45. I'd like Kurt to take a look. Maybe nothing, but this is fun -- and it's why I thought I saw something Monday morning. Thanks, Joe
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