Re: [Utah-astronomy] Observing Report from the Gravel Pit
Are there any good hiking trails up there? I need to take advantage of that fresh air. Debbie
Many great trails along Duchesne Ridge itself as well as up by Mill Hollow & Soapstone. See you this weekend. dlb On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 12:41 PM, UTAHDEB@aol.com wrote:
Are there any good hiking trails up there? I need to take advantage of that fresh air.
Debbie
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Sorry Deb, I thought you said biking trails. There's a wonderful hiking trail that actually leads from the Wolf Creek observing site down under the ridge into the valley below. I've come across elk & coyote down there. And you can visit Heart Lake if you're so inclined. Quite an incline coming back up the ridge from there though. Dave P.S. If you goto: http://www.topozone.com/ map.asp?z=12&n=4480187&e=496420&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 you'll see a topo of the area. The red cross shows about where the trail begins near the observing site. Heart Lake is near the SW corner of the map. I'd like to walk up to Wolf Creek Peak, if you're game, which is an easy 1.5 mi round-trip hike to the east of camp. On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 12:41 PM, UTAHDEB@aol.com wrote:
Are there any good hiking trails up there? I need to take advantage of that fresh air.
Debbie
Dark Sky Site Etiquette Since we have a dark sky party coming up, it seemed appropriate to publish the dark sky site etiquette rules. I have excerpted these from various spots on the web. At previous SLAS private star parties, a number of club members, new and old, have not followed one or more of them. While it takes an effort, it is worth it for the enjoyment of all at the site. 1. Don't use white lights and use red lights sparingly. If for some reason you MUST use a white light, shout out a warning at least 3 seconds before the light comes on. 2. Make sure you car doesn't violate the above. Backup lights and even interior lights can ruin someone's night vision. If you're planning to leave before dawn, park so as to be able to leave without using your lights or put duct tape over them. Shield or turn off automatic car door or trunk lights (Pull the fuses if necessary.) (If your have one of the new cars that have "daytime running lights" that come on as soon as you turn the key on, try lifting the emergency brake one click. Often that will turn them off. If not, find the fuse that controls them and pull it before driving onto the field.) Please announce your departure in advance (to save night vision and astrophotographer's tempers) Use parking lights only no headlights 3. Astrophotography/CCD imaging is an increasingly popular hobby of club members, and many will set up their equipment at private star parties. If you are planning on taking pictures, let those around you know that you have a camera set up so they can be careful about their red lights. On the other hand, be sure to check around you before flashing your red lights, opening car doors, or using any running lights on your car when leaving so you don't inadvertently ruin someone's once-in-a-lifetime 45-minute exposure at the 42-minute mark! 4. Never touch anyone else's equipment without permission. Don't be afraid to ask, though, and never touch any glass optical surface. 5. No aerosol sprays on the observing field. One drop of insect repellant spray can permanently damage telescope optics. 6. Watch your step (but don't use a flashlight). Be especially careful of wires on the ground. Some scopes require power and some folks use their car's battery. If your scope requires power try to make the wires as safe as possible. 7. Don't set up too close to another observer. When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask, "Is it OK if I set up here?" 8. If you're a visitor or a newbie, try not to monopolize another person's time. The astronomers are there to enjoy the sky, not to give lessons. Don't head for the biggest scope in the field and spend the night there. This is not a public star party. On the other hand, feel free to look at objects when invited, and to invite others to share your views. 9. Bring observers only. Very small children and pets generally do not enjoy star parties, and can be annoying to others. If you do bring a child make sure that he/she is old enough to enjoy the viewing without annoying your fellow observers. If you bring your pet make sure it is firmly under control and on a leash at all times. 10. Music-- Remember that music that you love may be extremely irritating to others. When in doubt use a headset. 11. LX200s -- some people really dislike the noise an LX200 makes when slewing. LX200 users should make sure that they're not offending their neighbors. Reducing the slew speed helps a little. So does arriving early so that those who might have a problem can set up at some distance away. 12. Never be the next to the last to leave. Don't leave someone alone at the observing site without first checking with them. Dead car batteries, vandals... 13. The last two people should sweep the area with their flashlights to see if anyone accidentally dropped something important. If you find anything left behind, contact the club President the next day and then bring the item with you to the next meeting to be re-united with its owner. And this one from Jay Freeman seemed especially appropriate to finish with. Flame throwers and fifty-caliber stray light eliminators should be equipped with glare shields. Owners of LX-200s must offer coffee to passers-by who mistake the noise of their slewing motors for that of an espresso machine. Hack saws should be checked at the door. (If you cannot find the door, please remain outside of it.) Bears have right of first refusal on anyone's night lunch, except when the observer is very hungry. Abandoned cookies should not be presumed up for grabs, unless nobody is looking. Refrain from pointing out the failings of your neighbor's telescope until your own optics are safely covered. These rules are intended to help maintain access and use of the Astronomy Club observing sites for as many members and their guests as possible, while preserving the conditions that have brought us out to enjoy the sky. Following these rules will permit everyone to pursue the study and enjoyment of astronomy to the fullest satisfaction.
Jo, thanks for compiling this! I think we could all use the refresher once in a while. I myself will make every effort to follow number eight and not be an aperture leech. Dave On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 04:58 PM, Josephine Grahn wrote:
Dark Sky Site Etiquette Since we have a dark sky party coming up, it seemed appropriate to publish the dark sky site etiquette rules. I have excerpted these from various spots on the web. At previous SLAS private star parties, a number of club members, new and old, have not followed one or more of them. While it takes an effort, it is worth it for the enjoyment of all at the site.
1. Don't use white lights and use red lights sparingly. If for some reason you MUST use a white light, shout out a warning at least 3 seconds before the light comes on. 2. Make sure you car doesn't violate the above. Backup lights and even interior lights can ruin someone's night vision. If you're planning to leave before dawn, park so as to be able to leave without using your lights or put duct tape over them. Shield or turn off automatic car door or trunk lights (Pull the fuses if necessary.) (If your have one of the new cars that have "daytime running lights" that come on as soon as you turn the key on, try lifting the emergency brake one click. Often that will turn them off. If not, find the fuse that controls them and pull it before driving onto the field.) Please announce your departure in advance (to save night vision and astrophotographer's tempers) Use parking lights only – no headlights 3. Astrophotography/CCD imaging is an increasingly popular hobby of club members, and many will set up their equipment at private star parties. If you are planning on taking pictures, let those around you know that you have a camera set up so they can be careful about their red lights. On the other hand, be sure to check around you before flashing your red lights, opening car doors, or using any running lights on your car when leaving so you don't inadvertently ruin someone's once-in-a-lifetime 45-minute exposure at the 42-minute mark! 4. Never touch anyone else's equipment without permission. Don't be afraid to ask, though, and never touch any glass optical surface. 5. No aerosol sprays on the observing field. One drop of insect repellant spray can permanently damage telescope optics. 6. Watch your step (but don't use a flashlight). Be especially careful of wires on the ground. Some scopes require power and some folks use their car's battery. If your scope requires power try to make the wires as safe as possible. 7. Don't set up too close to another observer. When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask, "Is it OK if I set up here?" 8. If you're a visitor or a newbie, try not to monopolize another person's time. The astronomers are there to enjoy the sky, not to give lessons. Don't head for the biggest scope in the field and spend the night there. This is not a public star party. On the other hand, feel free to look at objects when invited, and to invite others to share your views. 9. Bring observers only. Very small children and pets generally do not enjoy star parties, and can be annoying to others. If you do bring a child make sure that he/she is old enough to enjoy the viewing without annoying your fellow observers. If you bring your pet make sure it is firmly under control and on a leash at all times. 10. Music-- Remember that music that you love may be extremely irritating to others. When in doubt use a headset. 11. LX200s -- some people really dislike the noise an LX200 makes when slewing. LX200 users should make sure that they're not offending their neighbors. Reducing the slew speed helps a little. So does arriving early so that those who might have a problem can set up at some distance away. 12. Never be the next to the last to leave. Don't leave someone alone at the observing site without first checking with them. Dead car batteries, vandals... 13. The last two people should sweep the area with their flashlights to see if anyone accidentally dropped something important. If you find anything left behind, contact the club President the next day and then bring the item with you to the next meeting to be re-united with its owner.
And this one from Jay Freeman seemed especially appropriate to finish with. Flame throwers and fifty-caliber stray light eliminators should be equipped with glare shields. Owners of LX-200s must offer coffee to passers-by who mistake the noise of their slewing motors for that of an espresso machine. Hack saws should be checked at the door. (If you cannot find the door, please remain outside of it.) Bears have right of first refusal on anyone's night lunch, except when the observer is very hungry. Abandoned cookies should not be presumed up for grabs, unless nobody is looking. Refrain from pointing out the failings of your neighbor's telescope until your own optics are safely covered.
These rules are intended to help maintain access and use of the Astronomy Club observing sites for as many members and their guests as possible, while preserving the conditions that have brought us out to enjoy the sky. Following these rules will permit everyone to pursue the study and enjoyment of astronomy to the fullest satisfaction.
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geez louise... with all these rules, where does the word "party" apply??? ;) The way I see it, this is advertised as a club "Star Party" event meaning that ALL club members and their immediate families are welcome. One thing people need to consider when attending a "club event" or "club party" is that there is likely to be more than a few people present. And anytime there is a gathering of more than a few people in an area, the odds that someone will say or do something that may "upset" someone else, increases dramatically. This is a natural occurrence in ANY group setting. The only way to avoid this is by staging a private "non club" event, limited to invitation only. I absolutely agree with having "sensible" dark sky, private club star party guidelines to follow, such as; NO white light, loud music, barking dogs, or rude and abnoxious adults and children running wild... People SHOULD be conscious, considerate and respectful of and to, others in the area. But really, removing fuses??? and warning LX200 users that the sounds their telescopes make may OFFEND others??? Having attended some private star parties in the past let me tell you, there are worse things that can happen than the occasional sound of a slewing LX200. A club "Star Party" is a place for club members and their families to gather and share their enjoyment of the hobby. This isn't an event solely for snobs. Those who prefer to be isolated from the pack should understand that being a "club event" that, like it or not, others will be present. If the idea of this causes anyone stress, they should probably make other plans. Also, "once in a lifetime", 42 minute exposures, should probably not be attempted in a "party" setting. There are just too many opportunities for something to go wrong. These should probably be done in a remote area away from ANY group. JMHO ;) Be respectful, don't be obnoxious and have a great time! Quoting Josephine Grahn <bsi@xmission.com>:
Dark Sky Site Etiquette Since we have a dark sky party coming up, it seemed appropriate to publish the dark sky site etiquette rules. I have excerpted these from various spots on the web. At previous SLAS private star parties, a number of club members, new and old, have not followed one or more of them. While it takes an effort, it is worth it for the enjoyment of all at the site.
1. Don't use white lights and use red lights sparingly. If for some reason you MUST use a white light, shout out a warning at least 3 seconds before the light comes on. 2. Make sure you car doesn't violate the above. Backup lights and even interior lights can ruin someone's night vision. If you're planning to leave before dawn, park so as to be able to leave without using your lights or put duct tape over them. Shield or turn off automatic car door or trunk lights (Pull the fuses if necessary.) (If your have one of the new cars that have "daytime running lights" that come on as soon as you turn the key on, try lifting the emergency brake one click. Often that will turn them off. If not, find the fuse that controls them and pull it before driving onto the field.) Please announce your departure in advance (to save night vision and astrophotographer's tempers) Use parking lights only ? no headlights 3. Astrophotography/CCD imaging is an increasingly popular hobby of club members, and many will set up their equipment at private star parties. If you are planning on taking pictures, let those around you know that you have a camera set up so they can be careful about their red lights. On the other hand, be sure to check around you before flashing your red lights, opening car doors, or using any running lights on your car when leaving so you don't inadvertently ruin someone's once-in-a-lifetime 45-minute exposure at the 42-minute mark! 4. Never touch anyone else's equipment without permission. Don't be afraid to ask, though, and never touch any glass optical surface. 5. No aerosol sprays on the observing field. One drop of insect repellant spray can permanently damage telescope optics. 6. Watch your step (but don't use a flashlight). Be especially careful of wires on the ground. Some scopes require power and some folks use their car's battery. If your scope requires power try to make the wires as safe as possible. 7. Don't set up too close to another observer. When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask, "Is it OK if I set up here?" 8. If you're a visitor or a newbie, try not to monopolize another person's time. The astronomers are there to enjoy the sky, not to give lessons. Don't head for the biggest scope in the field and spend the night there. This is not a public star party. On the other hand, feel free to look at objects when invited, and to invite others to share your views. 9. Bring observers only. Very small children and pets generally do not enjoy star parties, and can be annoying to others. If you do bring a child make sure that he/she is old enough to enjoy the viewing without annoying your fellow observers. If you bring your pet make sure it is firmly under control and on a leash at all times. 10. Music-- Remember that music that you love may be extremely irritating to others. When in doubt use a headset. 11. LX200s -- some people really dislike the noise an LX200 makes when slewing. LX200 users should make sure that they're not offending their neighbors. Reducing the slew speed helps a little. So does arriving early so that those who might have a problem can set up at some distance away. 12. Never be the next to the last to leave. Don't leave someone alone at the observing site without first checking with them. Dead car batteries, vandals... 13. The last two people should sweep the area with their flashlights to see if anyone accidentally dropped something important. If you find anything left behind, contact the club President the next day and then bring the item with you to the next meeting to be re-united with its owner.
And this one from Jay Freeman seemed especially appropriate to finish with. Flame throwers and fifty-caliber stray light eliminators should be equipped with glare shields. Owners of LX-200s must offer coffee to passers-by who mistake the noise of their slewing motors for that of an espresso machine. Hack saws should be checked at the door. (If you cannot find the door, please remain outside of it.) Bears have right of first refusal on anyone's night lunch, except when the observer is very hungry. Abandoned cookies should not be presumed up for grabs, unless nobody is looking. Refrain from pointing out the failings of your neighbor's telescope until your own optics are safely covered.
These rules are intended to help maintain access and use of the Astronomy Club observing sites for as many members and their guests as possible, while preserving the conditions that have brought us out to enjoy the sky. Following these rules will permit everyone to pursue the study and enjoyment of astronomy to the fullest satisfaction.
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I say AMEN!!!!!!! I had a hard time with the children one. I have small children, and we have to bring them to everything in order to even attend a star party, and be active in the astronomical community. Who has a baby sitter willing to watch the kids till 3 am when you get home from looking at stars. I believe star parties are good for kids, it not only makes their interest in star gazing and telescopes increase, but makes them very intelligent individuals (my kids know more than half the constellations and the oldest is only 8) Why limit their opportunities to learn? If you never bring them to anything like this, they may not ever know how to behave. John and I spend a lot of time and money making sure that they are mostly contained to our car so as to not make anyone else have to "put up" with them, but this means running a movie in our very dark tinted windowed vehicle. We make sure we park our vehicle far enough away from others that this does not disrupt them and we park with any doors that may open away from the observing area. We have never had any complaints, and I hope that anyone who does have a problem with any of the parties we attend would let us know kindly if we have made a problem so we can work on fixing it! We have been making telescopes for years and our children have been taught to treat optics with careful respect, and to not touch others belongings. They understand what goes into a scope and how expensive they are. I think a parents being able to attend a function should not be limited by the fact they have small children, but a little steady mindedness on the parents part should be in place and training of the kids to know what the party is about and how they are expected to behave will go a long way. I wouldn't ever take a child to a "private event" where serious photography was going on, there are some limits to where children belong and don't. Lisa Zeigler www.johnstelescopes.com www.mirrorkits.com -----Original Message----- From: diveboss@xmission.com [mailto:diveboss@xmission.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:41 PM To: Utah Astronomy; Josephine Grahn Cc: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Private star party etiquette geez louise... with all these rules, where does the word "party" apply??? ;) The way I see it, this is advertised as a club "Star Party" event meaning that ALL club members and their immediate families are welcome. One thing people need to consider when attending a "club event" or "club party" is that there is likely to be more than a few people present. And anytime there is a gathering of more than a few people in an area, the odds that someone will say or do something that may "upset" someone else, increases dramatically. This is a natural occurrence in ANY group setting. The only way to avoid this is by staging a private "non club" event, limited to invitation only. I absolutely agree with having "sensible" dark sky, private club star party guidelines to follow, such as; NO white light, loud music, barking dogs, or rude and abnoxious adults and children running wild... People SHOULD be conscious, considerate and respectful of and to, others in the area. But really, removing fuses??? and warning LX200 users that the sounds their telescopes make may OFFEND others??? Having attended some private star parties in the past let me tell you, there are worse things that can happen than the occasional sound of a slewing LX200. A club "Star Party" is a place for club members and their families to gather and share their enjoyment of the hobby. This isn't an event solely for snobs. Those who prefer to be isolated from the pack should understand that being a "club event" that, like it or not, others will be present. If the idea of this causes anyone stress, they should probably make other plans. Also, "once in a lifetime", 42 minute exposures, should probably not be attempted in a "party" setting. There are just too many opportunities for something to go wrong. These should probably be done in a remote area away from ANY group. JMHO ;) Be respectful, don't be obnoxious and have a great time! Quoting Josephine Grahn <bsi@xmission.com>:
Dark Sky Site Etiquette Since we have a dark sky party coming up, it seemed appropriate to publish the dark sky site etiquette rules. I have excerpted these from
various spots on the web. At previous SLAS private star parties, a number of club members, new and old, have not followed one or more of them. While it
takes an effort, it is worth it for the enjoyment of all at the site.
1. Don't use white lights and use red lights sparingly. If for some reason you MUST use a white light, shout out a warning at least 3 seconds before the light comes on. 2. Make sure you car doesn't violate the above. Backup lights and even interior lights can ruin someone's night vision. If you're planning to leave before dawn, park so as to be able to leave without using your lights or put duct tape over them. Shield or turn off automatic car door or trunk lights (Pull the fuses if necessary.) (If your have one of the new cars that have "daytime running lights" that come on as soon as you turn the key on, try lifting the emergency brake one click. Often that will turn them off. If not, find the fuse that controls them and pull it before driving onto the field.) Please announce your departure in advance (to save night vision and astrophotographer's tempers) Use parking lights only ? no headlights 3. Astrophotography/CCD imaging is an increasingly popular hobby of club members, and many will set up their equipment at private star parties. If you are planning on taking pictures, let those around you know that you have a camera set up so they can be careful about their red lights. On the other hand, be sure to check around you before flashing your red lights, opening car doors, or using any running lights on your car when leaving so you don't inadvertently ruin someone's once-in-a-lifetime 45-minute exposure at the 42-minute mark! 4. Never touch anyone else's equipment without permission. Don't be afraid to ask, though, and never touch any glass optical surface. 5. No aerosol sprays on the observing field. One drop of insect repellant spray can permanently damage telescope optics. 6. Watch your step (but don't use a flashlight). Be especially careful of wires on the ground. Some scopes require power and some folks use their car's battery. If your scope requires power try to make the wires as safe as possible. 7. Don't set up too close to another observer. When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask, "Is it OK if I set up here?" 8. If you're a visitor or a newbie, try not to monopolize another person's time. The astronomers are there to enjoy the sky, not to give lessons. Don't head for the biggest scope in the field and spend the night there. This is not a public star party. On the other hand, feel free to look at objects when invited, and to invite others to share your views. 9. Bring observers only. Very small children and pets generally do not enjoy star parties, and can be annoying to others. If you do bring a child make sure that he/she is old enough to enjoy the viewing without annoying your fellow observers. If you bring your pet make sure it is firmly under control and on a leash at all times. 10. Music-- Remember that music that you love may be extremely irritating to others. When in doubt use a headset. 11. LX200s -- some people really dislike the noise an LX200 makes when slewing. LX200 users should make sure that they're not offending their neighbors. Reducing the slew speed helps a little. So does arriving early so that those who might have a problem can set up at some distance away. 12. Never be the next to the last to leave. Don't leave someone alone at the observing site without first checking with them. Dead car batteries, vandals... 13. The last two people should sweep the area with their flashlights to see if anyone accidentally dropped something important. If you find anything left behind, contact the club President the next day and then bring the item with you to the next meeting to be re-united with its owner.
And this one from Jay Freeman seemed especially appropriate to finish with. Flame throwers and fifty-caliber stray light eliminators should be equipped with glare shields. Owners of LX-200s must offer coffee to passers-by who mistake the noise of their slewing motors for that of an espresso machine. Hack saws should be checked at the door. (If you cannot find the door, please remain outside of it.) Bears have right of first refusal on anyone's night lunch, except when the observer is very hungry. Abandoned cookies should not be presumed up for grabs, unless nobody is looking. Refrain from pointing out the failings of your neighbor's telescope until your own optics are safely covered.
These rules are intended to help maintain access and use of the Astronomy Club observing sites for as many members and their guests as
possible, while preserving the conditions that have brought us out to enjoy the sky. Following these rules will permit everyone to pursue the study and enjoyment of astronomy to the fullest satisfaction.
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I took those off of a few sites on the web, tried to condense them and put them out to the newsgroup. Viewing is always more fun with a group of people to talk to and share views with. But, occasionally, it gets a little frustrating having people coming and going every half hour, and using their white interior car lights to pack by. I thought we would all enjoy Wolf Creek this weekend more, if we had a reminder of what we all need to be careful of. As far as the LX200; that just appeared in all of the lists, so I left it in. I don't know that I have ever heard one, or been bothered by it. I have never been bothered by dogs or children either, but because that occurred in every star party etiquette list, I left it in. Lisa, Sounds like you follow the spirit of the rule exactly. I don't know that I have ever observed at a star party with you, we seem to have had to travel at the new moon for the last two observing seasons. But it sounds like you are doing all the right things, Being aware of your kids when they are on the field, teaching them the right behavior, and having other activities to keep them occupied when they are tired of looking at the stars. Dave, Don't stay away from our scope! How will we ever find all the new and nifty things that you challenge us with? Every web site had a version of that rule, but we have only had trouble with people abusing it once. And we still have no idea who the 6 or 8 people were that parked themselves at our scope for a few hours. It was at Wolfcreek and none of them knew how to keep an object in the eyepiece. It felt like I was running up and down the ladder every minute for 2 hours. They ignored all hints that they had worn out their welcome. When I was about to "be blunt", Don or Kim or some other kind soul detected the mounting frustration in my voice and called them off to another scope. When they left I was too exhausted to even begin my delayed observing program. That was the exception. Every other time it has been a nice balance of time to find weird objects that I am looking for, and having Dave or Don or Kim or someone make suggestions about something that might look particularly good right then. I enjoy swapping views and ideas with you guys , especially of particularly nice objects. That is part of the fun of a star party. Now, Wednesday at Wolfcreek, eh? Jo
Jo, Thanks! I hope that didn't come off as my being annoyed or anything, I wasn't, I understood they were just "guidelines". But it is hard to even go to the star parties with our kids, and we do enjoy having them there, so its nice to know we wont be black balled or something because we choose to do our hobby in spite of the difficulty children create. Lisa Zeigler -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Grahn [mailto:bsi@xmission.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:56 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Private star party etiquette I took those off of a few sites on the web, tried to condense them and put them out to the newsgroup. Viewing is always more fun with a group of people to talk to and share views with. But, occasionally, it gets a little frustrating having people coming and going every half hour, and using their white interior car lights to pack by. I thought we would all enjoy Wolf Creek this weekend more, if we had a reminder of what we all need to be careful of. As far as the LX200; that just appeared in all of the lists, so I left it in. I don't know that I have ever heard one, or been bothered by it. I have never been bothered by dogs or children either, but because that occurred in every star party etiquette list, I left it in. Lisa, Sounds like you follow the spirit of the rule exactly. I don't know that I have ever observed at a star party with you, we seem to have had to travel at the new moon for the last two observing seasons. But it sounds like you are doing all the right things, Being aware of your kids when they are on the field, teaching them the right behavior, and having other activities to keep them occupied when they are tired of looking at the stars. Dave, Don't stay away from our scope! How will we ever find all the new and nifty things that you challenge us with? Every web site had a version of that rule, but we have only had trouble with people abusing it once. And we still have no idea who the 6 or 8 people were that parked themselves at our scope for a few hours. It was at Wolfcreek and none of them knew how to keep an object in the eyepiece. It felt like I was running up and down the ladder every minute for 2 hours. They ignored all hints that they had worn out their welcome. When I was about to "be blunt", Don or Kim or some other kind soul detected the mounting frustration in my voice and called them off to another scope. When they left I was too exhausted to even begin my delayed observing program. That was the exception. Every other time it has been a nice balance of time to find weird objects that I am looking for, and having Dave or Don or Kim or someone make suggestions about something that might look particularly good right then. I enjoy swapping views and ideas with you guys , especially of particularly nice objects. That is part of the fun of a star party. Now, Wednesday at Wolfcreek, eh? Jo _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Think of them as guidelines. ("Rules?! In a knife fight?") Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: diveboss@xmission.com<mailto:diveboss@xmission.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> ; Josephine Grahn<mailto:bsi@xmission.com> Cc: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Private star party etiquette geez louise... with all these rules, where does the word "party" apply??? ;) The way I see it, this is advertised as a club "Star Party" event meaning that ALL club members and their immediate families are welcome. One thing people need to consider when attending a "club event" or "club party" is that there is likely to be more than a few people present. And anytime there is a gathering of more than a few people in an area, the odds that someone will say or do something that may "upset" someone else, increases dramatically. This is a natural occurrence in ANY group setting. The only way to avoid this is by staging a private "non club" event, limited to invitation only. I absolutely agree with having "sensible" dark sky, private club star party guidelines to follow, such as; NO white light, loud music, barking dogs, or rude and abnoxious adults and children running wild... People SHOULD be conscious, considerate and respectful of and to, others in the area. But really, removing fuses??? and warning LX200 users that the sounds their telescopes make may OFFEND others??? Having attended some private star parties in the past let me tell you, there are worse things that can happen than the occasional sound of a slewing LX200. A club "Star Party" is a place for club members and their families to gather and share their enjoyment of the hobby. This isn't an event solely for snobs. Those who prefer to be isolated from the pack should understand that being a "club event" that, like it or not, others will be present. If the idea of this causes anyone stress, they should probably make other plans. Also, "once in a lifetime", 42 minute exposures, should probably not be attempted in a "party" setting. There are just too many opportunities for something to go wrong. These should probably be done in a remote area away from ANY group. JMHO ;) Be respectful, don't be obnoxious and have a great time! Quoting Josephine Grahn <bsi@xmission.com<mailto:bsi@xmission.com>>:
Dark Sky Site Etiquette Since we have a dark sky party coming up, it seemed appropriate to publish the dark sky site etiquette rules. I have excerpted these from various spots on the web. At previous SLAS private star parties, a number of club members, new and old, have not followed one or more of them. While it takes an effort, it is worth it for the enjoyment of all at the site.
1. Don't use white lights and use red lights sparingly. If for some reason you MUST use a white light, shout out a warning at least 3 seconds before the light comes on. 2. Make sure you car doesn't violate the above. Backup lights and even interior lights can ruin someone's night vision. If you're planning to leave before dawn, park so as to be able to leave without using your lights or put duct tape over them. Shield or turn off automatic car door or trunk lights (Pull the fuses if necessary.) (If your have one of the new cars that have "daytime running lights" that come on as soon as you turn the key on, try lifting the emergency brake one click. Often that will turn them off. If not, find the fuse that controls them and pull it before driving onto the field.) Please announce your departure in advance (to save night vision and astrophotographer's tempers) Use parking lights only ? no headlights 3. Astrophotography/CCD imaging is an increasingly popular hobby of club members, and many will set up their equipment at private star parties. If you are planning on taking pictures, let those around you know that you have a camera set up so they can be careful about their red lights. On the other hand, be sure to check around you before flashing your red lights, opening car doors, or using any running lights on your car when leaving so you don't inadvertently ruin someone's once-in-a-lifetime 45-minute exposure at the 42-minute mark! 4. Never touch anyone else's equipment without permission. Don't be afraid to ask, though, and never touch any glass optical surface. 5. No aerosol sprays on the observing field. One drop of insect repellant spray can permanently damage telescope optics. 6. Watch your step (but don't use a flashlight). Be especially careful of wires on the ground. Some scopes require power and some folks use their car's battery. If your scope requires power try to make the wires as safe as possible. 7. Don't set up too close to another observer. When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask, "Is it OK if I set up here?" 8. If you're a visitor or a newbie, try not to monopolize another person's time. The astronomers are there to enjoy the sky, not to give lessons. Don't head for the biggest scope in the field and spend the night there. This is not a public star party. On the other hand, feel free to look at objects when invited, and to invite others to share your views. 9. Bring observers only. Very small children and pets generally do not enjoy star parties, and can be annoying to others. If you do bring a child make sure that he/she is old enough to enjoy the viewing without annoying your fellow observers. If you bring your pet make sure it is firmly under control and on a leash at all times. 10. Music-- Remember that music that you love may be extremely irritating to others. When in doubt use a headset. 11. LX200s -- some people really dislike the noise an LX200 makes when slewing. LX200 users should make sure that they're not offending their neighbors. Reducing the slew speed helps a little. So does arriving early so that those who might have a problem can set up at some distance away. 12. Never be the next to the last to leave. Don't leave someone alone at the observing site without first checking with them. Dead car batteries, vandals... 13. The last two people should sweep the area with their flashlights to see if anyone accidentally dropped something important. If you find anything left behind, contact the club President the next day and then bring the item with you to the next meeting to be re-united with its owner.
And this one from Jay Freeman seemed especially appropriate to finish with. Flame throwers and fifty-caliber stray light eliminators should be equipped with glare shields. Owners of LX-200s must offer coffee to passers-by who mistake the noise of their slewing motors for that of an espresso machine. Hack saws should be checked at the door. (If you cannot find the door, please remain outside of it.) Bears have right of first refusal on anyone's night lunch, except when the observer is very hungry. Abandoned cookies should not be presumed up for grabs, unless nobody is looking. Refrain from pointing out the failings of your neighbor's telescope until your own optics are safely covered.
These rules are intended to help maintain access and use of the Astronomy Club observing sites for as many members and their guests as possible, while preserving the conditions that have brought us out to enjoy the sky. Following these rules will permit everyone to pursue the study and enjoyment of astronomy to the fullest satisfaction.
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James Coburn would. (There's another obscure movie reference for you.) Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: diveboss@xmission.com<mailto:diveboss@xmission.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Private star party etiquette Quoting Kim Hyatt <kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com>>:
Think of them as guidelines. ("Rules?! In a knife fight?")
Who would bring a "knife" to a gun fight? ;) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/>
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