Help with Wendover Sun viewing?
Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school in Wendover next month? I do astronomy and physics visits to all of the 3rd and 6th grade classes in the Tooele Valley every year and now that I've got the new vehicle arriving next month I'd like to make a quick trip to the elementary school in Wendover in part as a way of checking out how electric vehicles do on cross country trips. The trip will be in the afternoon of a weekday other than Wednesday leaving around noon. I'd do my indoor program solo but then move outside for Sun viewing and that's where I'd need help with the crowd (my one PST wont work with 60+ kids). We'd finish up at the school around 3:30 or so. Then to make the trip interesting it'll be off to visit Grace the liger and some of her animal friends and then back to Wendover for lunch (my treat) while the car charges up at the Tesla supercharger (love that name). And then back across the salt flats. Let me know if interested. Clear skies! patrick
A school too far. On Apr 19, 2015 2:59 AM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school in Wendover next month?
I do astronomy and physics visits to all of the 3rd and 6th grade classes in the Tooele Valley every year and now that I've got the new vehicle arriving next month I'd like to make a quick trip to the elementary school in Wendover in part as a way of checking out how electric vehicles do on cross country trips.
The trip will be in the afternoon of a weekday other than Wednesday leaving around noon.
I'd do my indoor program solo but then move outside for Sun viewing and that's where I'd need help with the crowd (my one PST wont work with 60+ kids).
We'd finish up at the school around 3:30 or so.
Then to make the trip interesting it'll be off to visit Grace the liger and some of her animal friends and then back to Wendover for lunch (my treat) while the car charges up at the Tesla supercharger (love that name). And then back across the salt flats.
Let me know if interested.
Clear skies!
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No date yet. First I have to wait for the car to show up (Tesla says they're supposed to start building it next week and deliver it around 13 May). Once I have the car I'll check with the school and arrange a date. Last day of school is 21 May so it'll have to be between 13 and 21. I'll post something here as soon as I know more. patrick On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:50, Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2015 1:59 AM, Wiggins Patrick wrote:
Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school in Wendover next month? Date? 73
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You do realize that an electric car in Utah is really coal powered, don't you? ;-) On Apr 19, 2015 9:33 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
No date yet. First I have to wait for the car to show up (Tesla says
they're supposed to start building it next week and deliver it around 13 May). Once I have the car I'll check with the school and arrange a date.
Last day of school is 21 May so it'll have to be between 13 and 21.
I'll post something here as soon as I know more.
patrick
On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:50, Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2015 1:59 AM, Wiggins Patrick wrote:
Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school
in Wendover next month?
Date? 73
Not sure that's on topic for UA, Chuck. But then quilt making isn't either. :) So, first I'll mention that I buy a lot of wind energy each month. That helps. But as for Utah electricity being coal powered you're right. About 82% of Utah electricity comes from burning filthy, dirty coal. Ah, but wait, what about all of the filthy, dirty electricity used to turn dead dinosaurs into fuel for ICE (internal combustion engine) cars? Not to mention the the additional energy used to get that fuel to the local gas station? Here's light hearted look at the subject: Volts for Oil Fully Chargedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4 Cheers, patrick p.s. My car will go faster than your car. Nah, nah, nah. :) On 19 Apr 2015, at 21:54, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
You do realize that an electric car in Utah is really coal powered, don't you? ;-)
On Apr 19, 2015 9:33 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
No date yet. First I have to wait for the car to show up (Tesla says
they're supposed to start building it next week and deliver it around 13 May). Once I have the car I'll check with the school and arrange a date.
Last day of school is 21 May so it'll have to be between 13 and 21.
I'll post something here as soon as I know more.
patrick
On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:50, Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2015 1:59 AM, Wiggins Patrick wrote:
Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school
in Wendover next month?
Date? 73
How long have YOU been using that fossil fuel? You don't have your coal burner yet. You're still using fossil fuel. When you count the coal being used to create the electricity, I suspect you will be using just as much resources. On Apr 19, 2015 11:32 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Not sure that's on topic for UA, Chuck. But then quilt making isn't either. :)
So, first I'll mention that I buy a lot of wind energy each month. That helps. But as for Utah electricity being coal powered you're right. About 82% of Utah electricity comes from burning filthy, dirty coal.
Ah, but wait, what about all of the filthy, dirty electricity used to turn dead dinosaurs into fuel for ICE (internal combustion engine) cars? Not to mention the the additional energy used to get that fuel to the local gas station?
Here's light hearted look at the subject:
Volts for Oil Fully Chargedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4
Cheers,
patrick
p.s. My car will go faster than your car. Nah, nah, nah. :)
On 19 Apr 2015, at 21:54, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
You do realize that an electric car in Utah is really coal powered, don't you? ;-)
On Apr 19, 2015 9:33 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
No date yet. First I have to wait for the car to show up (Tesla says
they're supposed to start building it next week and deliver it around 13 May). Once I have the car I'll check with the school and arrange a date.
Last day of school is 21 May so it'll have to be between 13 and 21.
I'll post something here as soon as I know more.
patrick
On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:50, Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2015 1:59 AM, Wiggins Patrick wrote:
Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school
in Wendover next month?
Date? 73
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Looks like you missed the video I mentioned, Siegfried. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4 BTW, another video I really enjoyed is a Bloomberg look at Elon Musk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh45igK4Esw BTW, lest the purpose of my original post get forgotten I'm still looking for help with a Sun party in Wendover. Clear skies, patrick On 19 Apr 2015, at 22:41, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
How long have YOU been using that fossil fuel? You don't have your coal burner yet. You're still using fossil fuel. When you count the coal being used to create the electricity, I suspect you will be using just as much resources. On Apr 19, 2015 11:32 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Not sure that's on topic for UA, Chuck. But then quilt making isn't either. :)
So, first I'll mention that I buy a lot of wind energy each month. That helps. But as for Utah electricity being coal powered you're right. About 82% of Utah electricity comes from burning filthy, dirty coal.
Ah, but wait, what about all of the filthy, dirty electricity used to turn dead dinosaurs into fuel for ICE (internal combustion engine) cars? Not to mention the the additional energy used to get that fuel to the local gas station?
Here's light hearted look at the subject:
Volts for Oil Fully Chargedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4
Cheers,
patrick
p.s. My car will go faster than your car. Nah, nah, nah. :)
On 19 Apr 2015, at 21:54, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
You do realize that an electric car in Utah is really coal powered, don't you? ;-)
Tesla, intends to build a solar charging network in the areas they sell their car. Sent from my iPad
On Apr 19, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
How long have YOU been using that fossil fuel? You don't have your coal burner yet. You're still using fossil fuel. When you count the coal being used to create the electricity, I suspect you will be using just as much resources.
On Apr 19, 2015 11:32 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Not sure that's on topic for UA, Chuck. But then quilt making isn't either. :)
So, first I'll mention that I buy a lot of wind energy each month. That helps. But as for Utah electricity being coal powered you're right. About 82% of Utah electricity comes from burning filthy, dirty coal.
Ah, but wait, what about all of the filthy, dirty electricity used to turn dead dinosaurs into fuel for ICE (internal combustion engine) cars? Not to mention the the additional energy used to get that fuel to the local gas station?
Here's light hearted look at the subject:
Volts for Oil Fully Chargedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4
Cheers,
patrick
p.s. My car will go faster than your car. Nah, nah, nah. :)
On 19 Apr 2015, at 21:54, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
You do realize that an electric car in Utah is really coal powered, don't you? ;-)
On Apr 19, 2015 9:33 PM, "Wiggins Patrick" <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
No date yet. First I have to wait for the car to show up (Tesla says they're supposed to start building it next week and deliver it around 13 May). Once I have the car I'll check with the school and arrange a date.
Last day of school is 21 May so it'll have to be between 13 and 21.
I'll post something here as soon as I know more.
patrick
On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:50, Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2015 1:59 AM, Wiggins Patrick wrote: Any interest in helping with some Sun viewing at the elementary school in Wendover next month? Date? 73
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Aloha I just sent an email to Patrick Wiggins in SLC about an observation of Mizar Friday night. Here is what I wrote
We did a star party for our STEM Conference here in Hawaii and I was showing one of the attending students a double star, Mizar and Alcor. But what was weird was that Mizar was a double and I was seeing it. But that wasn't possible since I was using 100mm binos at 43X and the separation is only .5" and at about 220*. What I saw was at about 155* and a separation of 3' (estimate) and I had two other very good observers look and check charts and Sky Safari, nothing there. If your out tonite, take a look at Mizar and see if there's a star?? near it that's not on star charts. This observation has us puzzled. Let me know what you find and what you think it might be, Mother Ship??
Aloha Rob
Anyone w/ a clear sky able to take a look ?? I am in the middle of a move and my gear is between 2 homes for the next few weeks Thanks Rob
Thanks, Rob supernova-discoverer Ratkowsky! From: Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar Aloha I just sent an email to Patrick Wiggins in SLC about an observation of Mizar Friday night. Here is what I wrote
We did a star party for our STEM Conference here in Hawaii and I was showing one of the attending students a double star, Mizar and Alcor. But what was weird was that Mizar was a double and I was seeing it. But that wasn't possible since I was using 100mm binos at 43X and the separation is only .5" and at about 220*. What I saw was at about 155* and a separation of 3' (estimate) and I had two other very good observers look and check charts and Sky Safari, nothing there. If your out tonite, take a look at Mizar and see if there's a star?? near it that's not on star charts. This observation has us puzzled. Let me know what you find and what you think it might be, Mother Ship??
Aloha Rob
Anyone w/ a clear sky able to take a look ?? I am in the middle of a move and my gear is between 2 homes for the next few weeks Thanks Rob _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Hi Joe That would be a kick, to find something like that while showing STEM kids a double star. But if anyone can take a look and confirm that there is something there I would appreciate it. I just went out w/ the binos and we have Trade Showers blowing thru. Aloha Rob
On Apr 19, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks, Rob supernova-discoverer Ratkowsky! From: Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar
Aloha
I just sent an email to Patrick Wiggins in SLC about an observation of Mizar Friday night. Here is what I wrote
We did a star party for our STEM Conference here in Hawaii and I was showing one of the attending students a double star, Mizar and Alcor. But what was weird was that Mizar was a double and I was seeing it. But that wasn't possible since I was using 100mm binos at 43X and the separation is only .5" and at about 220*. What I saw was at about 155* and a separation of 3' (estimate) and I had two other very good observers look and check charts and Sky Safari, nothing there. If your out tonite, take a look at Mizar and see if there's a star?? near it that's not on star charts. This observation has us puzzled. Let me know what you find and what you think it might be, Mother Ship??
Aloha Rob
Anyone w/ a clear sky able to take a look ?? I am in the middle of a move and my gear is between 2 homes for the next few weeks
Thanks Rob
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Well, there appears to be something there. Still have to process my pictures but with a clear filter and with green (visual) it's plainly there. Disappears with red filter. It's not in the two pictures I comparison pictures I found on line. Weird. Will pist pictures in a bit. patrick On 19 Apr 2015, at 23:38, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha
I just sent an email to Patrick Wiggins in SLC about an observation of Mizar Friday night. Here is what I wrote
We did a star party for our STEM Conference here in Hawaii and I was showing one of the attending students a double star, Mizar and Alcor. But what was weird was that Mizar was a double and I was seeing it. But that wasn't possible since I was using 100mm binos at 43X and the separation is only .5" and at about 220*. What I saw was at about 155* and a separation of 3' (estimate) and I had two other very good observers look and check charts and Sky Safari, nothing there. If your out tonite, take a look at Mizar and see if there's a star?? near it that's not on star charts. This observation has us puzzled. Let me know what you find and what you think it might be, Mother Ship??
Aloha Rob
Anyone w/ a clear sky able to take a look ?? I am in the middle of a move and my gear is between 2 homes for the next few weeks
Thanks Rob
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s). I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort. http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg Options? patrick On 21 Apr 2015, at 04:24, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Well, there appears to be something there.
Still have to process my pictures but with a clear filter and with green (visual) it's plainly there. Disappears with red filter.
It's not in the two pictures I comparison pictures I found on line.
Weird.
Will pist pictures in a bit.
patrick
On 19 Apr 2015, at 23:38, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha
I just sent an email to Patrick Wiggins in SLC about an observation of Mizar Friday night. Here is what I wrote
We did a star party for our STEM Conference here in Hawaii and I was showing one of the attending students a double star, Mizar and Alcor. But what was weird was that Mizar was a double and I was seeing it. But that wasn't possible since I was using 100mm binos at 43X and the separation is only .5" and at about 220*. What I saw was at about 155* and a separation of 3' (estimate) and I had two other very good observers look and check charts and Sky Safari, nothing there. If your out tonite, take a look at Mizar and see if there's a star?? near it that's not on star charts. This observation has us puzzled. Let me know what you find and what you think it might be, Mother Ship??
Aloha Rob
Anyone w/ a clear sky able to take a look ?? I am in the middle of a move and my gear is between 2 homes for the next few weeks
Thanks Rob
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s).
I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort.
http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg
Options?
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially. However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers. Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery. patrick On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s).
I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort.
http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg
Options?
Aloha Patrick I'm glad you got some photos, we've been stuck in trade showers here(summit is clear though) so I've not been able to take a simple look. With your scope, the 2 here on Friday night along w/ my BT100's, having an internal reflection in the same location would be a very odd coincidence. Thanks for imaging the mystery spot, someone will ID it. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially.
However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers.
Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s).
I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort.
http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg
Options?
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Maybe Rob found a glitch in the Matrix. We do live in a simulation. Dave
On Apr 21, 2015, at 09:03, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha Patrick
I'm glad you got some photos, we've been stuck in trade showers here(summit is clear though) so I've not been able to take a simple look. With your scope, the 2 here on Friday night along w/ my BT100's, having an internal reflection in the same location would be a very odd coincidence. Thanks for imaging the mystery spot, someone will ID it.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially.
However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers.
Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s).
I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort.
http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg
Options?
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I have asked the people on Cloudy Nights if there is anything unusual going on at Mizar. I'll see if anything pops up. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> wrote:
Maybe Rob found a glitch in the Matrix. We do live in a simulation.
Dave
On Apr 21, 2015, at 09:03, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha Patrick
I'm glad you got some photos, we've been stuck in trade showers here(summit is clear though) so I've not been able to take a simple look. With your scope, the 2 here on Friday night along w/ my BT100's, having an internal reflection in the same location would be a very odd coincidence. Thanks for imaging the mystery spot, someone will ID it.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially.
However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers.
Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s).
I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort.
http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg
Options?
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-- Siegfried
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. R
On Apr 21, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
I have asked the people on Cloudy Nights if there is anything unusual going on at Mizar. I'll see if anything pops up.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> wrote:
Maybe Rob found a glitch in the Matrix. We do live in a simulation.
Dave
On Apr 21, 2015, at 09:03, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha Patrick
I'm glad you got some photos, we've been stuck in trade showers here(summit is clear though) so I've not been able to take a simple look. With your scope, the 2 here on Friday night along w/ my BT100's, having an internal reflection in the same location would be a very odd coincidence. Thanks for imaging the mystery spot, someone will ID it.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially.
However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers.
Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s).
I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) reflections of some sort.
http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg
Options?
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Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time. patrick On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
On Apr 21, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
I have asked the people on Cloudy Nights if there is anything unusual going on at Mizar. I'll see if anything pops up.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> wrote:
Maybe Rob found a glitch in the Matrix. We do live in a simulation.
Dave
On Apr 21, 2015, at 09:03, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha Patrick
I'm glad you got some photos, we've been stuck in trade showers here(summit is clear though) so I've not been able to take a simple look. With your scope, the 2 here on Friday night along w/ my BT100's, having an internal reflection in the same location would be a very odd coincidence. Thanks for imaging the mystery spot, someone will ID it.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially.
However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers.
Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum.
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: > > Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also > compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s). > > I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) > reflections of some sort. > > http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg > > Options?
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
On Apr 21, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
I have asked the people on Cloudy Nights if there is anything unusual going on at Mizar. I'll see if anything pops up.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> wrote:
Maybe Rob found a glitch in the Matrix. We do live in a simulation.
Dave
On Apr 21, 2015, at 09:03, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Aloha Patrick
I'm glad you got some photos, we've been stuck in trade showers here(summit is clear though) so I've not been able to take a simple look. With your scope, the 2 here on Friday night along w/ my BT100's, having an internal reflection in the same location would be a very odd coincidence. Thanks for imaging the mystery spot, someone will ID it.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
I don't feel confident enough that it's not a reflection to report it officially.
However I did report it on another list I'm on that is frequented by professional astronomers.
Fingers crossed that Rob and his group made a real discovery.
patrick
> On 21 Apr 2015, at 05:23, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote: > > Inform CBAT, get the pros alerted so they can get a spectrum. > > >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >> >> Here are my images compared to a stock image I took off the web. I also >> compared to the Palomar Sky Survey image and saw no mystery object(s). >> >> I'm not entirely sure what I'm imaging is/are (there may be two) >> reflections of some sort. >> >> http://slas.us/slasbooks/mizarodd.jpg >> >> Options?
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Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees. No sign of anything unusual. Bummer... patrick On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
We have clear sky tonite, sky is still bright and I'll look in about an hour. In my excitement I overlooked checking it thoroughly so it's possible it was a reflection. What is strange was that it was so bright and didn't hint of being a ghost. I'll let you know what I find in an hr or so Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Strange and intriguing. Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2015, at 12:06 AM, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Hi Rob, I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? Clear Skies, Don Colton -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Hi Don I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Hi Rob, I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy. Clear Skies, Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Hi Don I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Hi Don I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. Looking up, Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Hi Rob, I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14". Clear Skies, Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Hi Don I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. Looking up, Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again.
R
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Hi Don I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. > When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are getting > reflected, and both move together between the two images. Too > bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > > If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. > > R
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Hi Rob, The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor. Clear Skies, Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Hi Don I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one:
> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. > When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are > getting reflected, and both move together between the two > images. Too bad it’s not real. L
Oh wel, maybe next time.
patrick
> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > > If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. > > R
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Hi Don The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: > > Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one: > >> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >> images. Too bad it’s not real. L > > Oh wel, maybe next time. > > patrick > >> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >> >> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >> >> R
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Hi Rob, My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend... izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14". Clear Skies, Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Hi Don The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: > > Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one: > >> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >> images. Too bad it’s not real. L > > Oh wel, maybe next time. > > patrick > >> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >> >> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >> >> R
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Hi Don I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this mystery and showing a small problem in the app. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend... izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote:
Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees.
No sign of anything unusual.
Bummer...
patrick
> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same > reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look > again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening > > Aloha > Rob > > Sent from Rob's iPad > >> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >> >> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one: >> >>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >> >> Oh wel, maybe next time. >> >> patrick >> >>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>> >>> R
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You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Don
I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this mystery and showing a small problem in the app.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend... izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
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Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: > > Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees. > > No sign of anything unusual. > > Bummer... > > patrick > > >> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same >> reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look >> again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >> >> Aloha >> Rob >> >> Sent from Rob's iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one: >>> >>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>> >>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>> >>> patrick >>> >>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>> >>>> R > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronom > y > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronom > y Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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Well I have been a silent observer on this thread and it motivated me enough to have a look last night. I enjoyed seeing Alcore, Mizar A and B as well as HD116798. All of these are indentified in my copy of Sky Safari Plus. In fact, I read in the info on Mizar that both A and B are also double stars as well although not resolvable visually, only spectroscopicly. So Mizar is actually a quad system. I assumed that what was being discussed was something else that I did not observe. I was a bit tickled to realize I was looking at the same "mystery companion". On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Don
I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this mystery and showing a small problem in the app.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend... izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? > > Clear Skies, > > Don Colton > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Ratkowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm > EP's > (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back > to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. > Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. > I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready > though seeing is about 5 tonite > > Rob > > Sent from Rob's iPad > >> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >> >> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees. >> >> No sign of anything unusual. >> >> Bummer... >> >> patrick >> >> >>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same >>> reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look >>> again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one: >>>> >>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>> >>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>> >>>> patrick >>>> >>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>> >>>>> R >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronom >> y >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronom >> y Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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Joel I 'searched' Mizar B and got a NOT FOUND, I'm upgrading to Pro. I can't get spoofed like that again. But one thing I did find is that there are folks willing to help a guy out in Hawaii. Mahalo!! Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Joel Stucki <joel.stucki@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I have been a silent observer on this thread and it motivated me enough to have a look last night. I enjoyed seeing Alcore, Mizar A and B as well as HD116798. All of these are indentified in my copy of Sky Safari Plus. In fact, I read in the info on Mizar that both A and B are also double stars as well although not resolvable visually, only spectroscopicly. So Mizar is actually a quad system.
I assumed that what was being discussed was something else that I did not observe. I was a bit tickled to realize I was looking at the same "mystery companion".
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? The companion about the same brightness as Alcor?
On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Don
I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this mystery and showing a small problem in the app.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend... izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
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> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy. > > Clear Skies, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Ratkowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > Hi Don > > I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. > > Aloha > Rob > > > >> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? >> >> Clear Skies, >> >> Don Colton >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Utah-Astronomy >> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> Rob Ratkowski >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM >> To: Utah Astronomy >> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >> >> Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm >> EP's >> (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back >> to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. >> Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. >> I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready >> though seeing is about 5 tonite >> >> Rob >> >> Sent from Rob's iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >>> >>> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees. >>> >>> No sign of anything unusual. >>> >>> Bummer... >>> >>> patrick >>> >>> >>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the same >>>> reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have a look >>>> again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>>> >>>> Aloha >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the other list I'm on are like this one: >>>>> >>>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >>>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>>> >>>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>>> >>>>> patrick >>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>>> >>>>>> R >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronom >>> y >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronom >>> y Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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I just tried that as well and also got a not found, however "Mizar" does return results along with the article on Mizar and Alcor that has a lot of cool data. The computer geek in me thinks that the pro version will not have different search results, only a larger database. I would be interested in hearing if it does. I agree that is a poor search algorithm to not return any results like that when they are in fact labeled Mizar A and Mizar B on the chart. On Wednesday, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com>, wrote: Joel I 'searched' Mizar B and got a NOT FOUND, I'm upgrading to Pro. I can't get spoofed like that again. But one thing I did find is that there are folks willing to help a guy out in Hawaii. Mahalo!! Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
A friend of mine w/ the pro version says it shows all 6 stars. The plus version shows the companion at .5" but nothing else. This is the 1st flaw I've inSS, otherwise it has been a fantastic app. It was a question I presented to SLAS about the best astro app for an iPad, it was a real eye opener to have such a great database ( better than any/ all of the star charts I have). I'll see Cindy's pro version Friday night, I'll let you know how it goes Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Joel Stucki <joel.stucki@gmail.com> wrote:
I just tried that as well and also got a not found, however "Mizar" does return results along with the article on Mizar and Alcor that has a lot of cool data. The computer geek in me thinks that the pro version will not have different search results, only a larger database. I would be interested in hearing if it does. I agree that is a poor search algorithm to not return any results like that when they are in fact labeled Mizar A and Mizar B on the chart.
On Wednesday, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com>, wrote: Joel
I 'searched' Mizar B and got a NOT FOUND, I'm upgrading to Pro. I can't get spoofed like that again. But one thing I did find is that there are folks willing to help a guy out in Hawaii. Mahalo!!
Aloha Rob
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Having been a fly on the wall during this entire thread, ending up rofl - you know who you are. However, any app that "shows" six stars should be challenged. There are three visible stars Mizar, Alcor and the companion. Each of the three stars are spectroscopic binaries. Yes. there are six there, but no matter how much magnification you use, you will only see three stars. It's a good example at a public star party - you have an optical double, a true binary and unseen spectroscopic binaries. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:55:18 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) A friend of mine w/ the pro version says it shows all 6 stars. The plus version shows the companion at .5" but nothing else. This is the 1st flaw I've inSS, otherwise it has been a fantastic app. It was a question I presented to SLAS about the best astro app for an iPad, it was a real eye opener to have such a great database ( better than any/ all of the star charts I have). I'll see Cindy's pro version Friday night, I'll let you know how it goes Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
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I just tried that as well and also got a not found, however "Mizar" does return results along with the article on Mizar and Alcor that has a lot of cool data. The computer geek in me thinks that the pro version will not have different search results, only a larger database. I would be interested in hearing if it does. I agree that is a poor search algorithm to not return any results like that when they are in fact labeled Mizar A and Mizar B on the chart.
On Wednesday, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com>, wrote: Joel
I 'searched' Mizar B and got a NOT FOUND, I'm upgrading to Pro. I can't get spoofed like that again. But one thing I did find is that there are folks willing to help a guy out in Hawaii. Mahalo!!
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Hi Siegfried,
From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed.
Clear Skies, Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Siegfried Jachmann Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Don
I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this mystery and showing a small problem in the app.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old- friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw?
Clear Skies,
Don Colton
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in 9mm EP's (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds came in. I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready though seeing is about 5 tonite
Rob
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> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick > <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: > > Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees. > > No sign of anything unusual. > > Bummer... > > patrick > > >> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >> >> Aloha >> Rob >> >> Sent from Rob's iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>> <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>> other list I'm on are like this one: >>> >>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>> >>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>> >>> patrick >>> >>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski >>>> <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>> >>>> R > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro > nom > y > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro > nom y Then enter your email address in the space provided and > click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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Don You have to come back, we now operate from a site at 10,000 ft on Haleakala. Seeing is excellent to spectacular. Thanks again for your help. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Siegfried,
From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Siegfried Jachmann Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? The companion about the same brightness as Alcor?
On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Don
I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this mystery and showing a small problem in the app.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to enlarge the image but not initially. See http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old- friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of the correct 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not shown on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and mag 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something.
Aloha Rob
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On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are separated by 14".
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also see the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image Thursday night and post it. The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have the Losmandy AZ8 mount for them.
Looking up, Aloha Rob
Sent from Rob's iPad
On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power splitting Mizar should be easy.
Clear Skies,
Don
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved)
Hi Don
I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close to Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity.
Aloha Rob
> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an > 7.9 magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? > > Clear Skies, > > Don Colton > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf > Of Rob Ratkowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in > 9mm EP's > (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, > back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. > Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds > came in. > I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready > though seeing is about 5 tonite > > Rob > > Sent from Rob's iPad > >> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick >> <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >> >> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera rotated 180 degrees. >> >> No sign of anything unusual. >> >> Bummer... >> >> patrick >> >> >>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >>> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >>> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>>> other list I'm on are like this one: >>>> >>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second image. >>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>> >>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>> >>>> patrick >>>> >>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski >>>>> <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>> >>>>> R >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >> nom >> y >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >> nom y Then enter your email address in the space provided and >> click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astron > omy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any > astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astron > omy Then enter your email address in the space provided and > click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astron > omy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any > astronomy club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astron > omy Then enter your email address in the space provided and > click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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Rob, I will try to visit in the next couple of years. I have an uncle who lives on the big island so I could visit him as well. Thanks Don -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:32 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) Don You have to come back, we now operate from a site at 10,000 ft on Haleakala. Seeing is excellent to spectacular. Thanks again for your help. Aloha Rob Sent from Rob's iPad > On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Hi Siegfried, > > From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed. > > Clear Skies, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Siegfried Jachmann > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? > The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? >> On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Don >> >> I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set >> me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. >> It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is >> not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this >> mystery and showing a small problem in the app. >> >> Aloha >> Rob >> >> Sent from Rob's iPad >> >>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to >> enlarge the image but not initially. See >> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m >> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old >> - friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an >> eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose >> because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of >> the correct 14". >>> >>> Clear Skies, >>> >>> Don >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >> On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM >>> To: Utah Astronomy >>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>> >>> Hi Don >>> >>> The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not >>> shown >> on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos >> and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, >> nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! >> but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Rob, >>>> >>>> The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" >> companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. >> Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out >> this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll >> down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor. >>>> >>>> Clear Skies, >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM >>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>> >>>> Hi Don >>>> >>>> I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and >>>> mag >> 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as >> well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and >> SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did >> find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states >> the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was >> seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the >> binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. >>>> >>>> Aloha >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are >>>>> separated >> by 14". >>>>> >>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>> >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM >>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>> >>>>> Hi Don >>>>> >>>>> I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also >>>>> see >> the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If >> I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but >> 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know >> what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that >> it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image >> Thursday night and post it. >>>>> The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have >>>>> the >> Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. >>>>> >>>>> Looking up, Aloha >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized >> binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them >> split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of >> separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. >> Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power >> splitting Mizar should be easy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM >>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close >>>>>> to >> Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at >> the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar >> was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The >> companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. >> I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under >> different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aloha >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an >>>>>>> 7.9 >> magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM >> MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the >> Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect >> to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don Colton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM >>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in >>>>>>> 9mm EP's >>>>>>> (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, >>>>>>> back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. >>>>>>> Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds >>>>>>> came >> in. >>>>>>> I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready >>>>>>> though seeing is about 5 tonite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera >> rotated 180 degrees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No sign of anything unusual. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bummer... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >>>>>>>>> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >>>>>>>>> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>>>>>>>>> other >> list I'm on are like this one: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second >> image. >>>>>>>>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>>>>>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>>>>>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>>>>> <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >>>>>>>> nom >>>>>>>> y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Send messages to the list to >>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any >> astronomy club. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe go to: >>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astro >>>>>>>> nom y Then enter your email address in the space provided and >>>>>>>> click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> 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All I ask is to give me a heads up. I have a job on Haleakala Summit and it makes it easy to access our site plus you get to see ATST under construction. Aloha and thanks again Rob Sent from Rob's iPad > On Apr 22, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Rob, > > I will try to visit in the next couple of years. I have an uncle who lives on the big island so I could visit him as well. > > Thanks > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:32 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > Don > > You have to come back, we now operate from a site at 10,000 ft on Haleakala. Seeing is excellent to spectacular. Thanks again for your help. > > Aloha > Rob > > Sent from Rob's iPad > >> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Siegfried, >> >> From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed. >> >> Clear Skies, >> >> Don >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Utah-Astronomy >> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> Siegfried Jachmann >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM >> To: Utah Astronomy >> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >> >> You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? >> The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? >>> On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Don >>> >>> I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion set >>> me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. >>> It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is >>> not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this >>> mystery and showing a small problem in the app. >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Rob, >>>> >>>> My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to >>> enlarge the image but not initially. See >>> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m >>> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old >>> - friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for an >>> eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem arose >>> because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation instead of >>> the correct 14". >>>> >>>> Clear Skies, >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >>> On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM >>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>> >>>> Hi Don >>>> >>>> The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not >>>> shown >>> on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos >>> and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, >>> nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! >>> but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. >>>> >>>> Aloha >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" >>> companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. >>> Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out >>> this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll >>> down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor. >>>>> >>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>> >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM >>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>> >>>>> Hi Don >>>>> >>>>> I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and >>>>> mag >>> 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as >>> well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and >>> SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did >>> find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states >>> the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I was >>> seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, the >>> binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. >>>>> >>>>> Aloha >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are >>>>>> separated >>> by 14". >>>>>> >>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM >>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>> >>>>>> I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also >>>>>> see >>> the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. If >>> I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, but >>> 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know >>> what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms that >>> it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image >>> Thursday night and post it. >>>>>> The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will have >>>>>> the >>> Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking up, Aloha >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image stabilized >>> binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw them >>> split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of >>> separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. >>> Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power >>> splitting Mizar should be easy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM >>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close >>>>>>> to >>> Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at >>> the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar >>> was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The >>> companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. >>> I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under >>> different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an >>>>>>>> 7.9 >>> magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM >>> MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the >>> Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect >>> to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don Colton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM >>>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in >>>>>>>> 9mm EP's >>>>>>>> (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, >>>>>>>> back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. >>>>>>>> Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds >>>>>>>> came >>> in. >>>>>>>> I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready >>>>>>>> though seeing is about 5 tonite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and camera >>> rotated 180 degrees. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No sign of anything unusual. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bummer... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >>>>>>>>>> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >>>>>>>>>> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>> list I'm on are like this one: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second >>> image. >>>>>>>>>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>>>>>>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>>>>>>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. 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Sounds good. -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:36 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) All I ask is to give me a heads up. I have a job on Haleakala Summit and it makes it easy to access our site plus you get to see ATST under construction. Aloha and thanks again Rob Sent from Rob's iPad > On Apr 22, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: > > Rob, > > I will try to visit in the next couple of years. I have an uncle who lives on the big island so I could visit him as well. > > Thanks > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Utah-Astronomy > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob > Ratkowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:32 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) > > Don > > You have to come back, we now operate from a site at 10,000 ft on Haleakala. Seeing is excellent to spectacular. Thanks again for your help. > > Aloha > Rob > > Sent from Rob's iPad > >> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Siegfried, >> >> From Hawaii, Mizar is quite far north and I don't think it is as commonly viewed as it is here. Objects like Alpha Centauri, Omega Centauri, the Southern Cross etc. which Rob so kindly showed me when I was there are much more commonly viewed. >> >> Clear Skies, >> >> Don >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Utah-Astronomy >> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> Siegfried Jachmann >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:32 PM >> To: Utah Astronomy >> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >> >> You mean after all this, the star was the normal companion star to Mizar? >> The companion about the same brightness as Alcor? >>> On Apr 22, 2015 3:18 PM, "Rob Ratkowski" <ratkwski@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Don >>> >>> I have the Plus version so I think having the missing B companion >>> set me loose. We did check on a Pro version but didn't expand the field. >>> It is a curious thing as to why such a bright and important star is >>> not shown on the Plus version. Thanks for helping me solve this >>> mystery and showing a small problem in the app. >>> >>> Aloha >>> Rob >>> >>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Rob, >>>> >>>> My version of SkySafari Pro shows the companion if you continue to >>> enlarge the image but not initially. See >>> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/m >>> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/mizar-a-fresh-look-at-an-ol >>> d >>> - friend03252015/ izar-a-fresh-look-at-an-old-friend03252015/ for >>> an eyepiece view at 45x close to your binos. I think the problem >>> arose because you had a data source that showed a .5" separation >>> instead of the correct 14". >>>> >>>> Clear Skies, >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >>> On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:32 PM >>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>> >>>> Hi Don >>>> >>>> The image at One Minute Astronomer is what I see though it is not >>>> shown >>> on my SkySafari app. Then I guess I was seeing Mizar B in the binos >>> and C9.25. Patrick did a set of exposures at .01, .1, .5 and 1 sec, >>> nothing was seen. If you see it in you binos, then the mystery is solved. Thanks!! >>> but it does make me wonder why it's not shown on my app. >>>> >>>> Aloha >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> The .5" companion does not exist as far as I can determine. The 14" >>> companion is visible easily at 20x in a 60 mm spotting scope. >>> Patrick's image was just overexposed so you didn't see the two stars. Check out >>> this image http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8187/mizar-polaris/ scroll >>> down you can easily see Mizar A and B and Alcor. >>>>> >>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>> >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:58 PM >>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>> >>>>> Hi Don >>>>> >>>>> I have Mizar's companion being listed at .5" separation @ 218* and >>>>> mag >>> 3.9. Where did you find Mizar A and B?? But then at 14" I should as >>> well as Patrick be able to see it. I have Uranometria 2000 and >>> SkySafari on my iPad plus access to many other charts on line. I did >>> find info about the Mizar system at Domeof the sky.com that states >>> the 14" separation for the B component. Friday I knew that what I >>> was seeing was not the companion even if it was at 14" separation, >>> the binos cannot resolve that close of a pair, but we saw something. >>>>> >>>>> Aloha >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not talking about Alcor. Mizar A and B not Alcor are >>>>>> separated >>> by 14". >>>>>> >>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Rob Ratkowski >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:28 PM >>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>> >>>>>> I easily see Mizar and its visual companion Alcor easily. I also >>>>>> see >>> the SAO that forms a triangle, what I am seeing is CLOSE to Mizar. >>> If I were just starting out in astronomy I would be making mistakes, >>> but >>> 20 active years plus an interest back to when I was 12 makes me know >>> what I'm seeing and having 2 others see the same object confirms >>> that it's not an illusion. If the weather clears I'll get an image >>> Thursday night and post it. >>>>>> The BT100 binos are mounted on a HD tripod and in July I will >>>>>> have the >>> Losmandy AZ8 mount for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking up, Aloha >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can see the companion to Mizar in my 15 x 50mm image >>>>>>> stabilized >>> binoculars. It is not .5" but 14" of separation. Maybe you saw >>> them split. They are easy at 20 x. When referring to distance of >>> separation between SAO 28748 I should have clarified that it was one minute of RA. >>> Dawes limit for a 100 mm scope is 4.56/4 = 1.14". Even at low power >>> splitting Mizar should be easy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:02 AM >>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Don >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that star and that is not it. What I am seeing is close >>>>>>> to >>> Mizar, about 1’ and SSE. Sao 28748 is 8’16” from Mizar. Friday at >>> the STEM Conference in Wailea I saw the triangle but close to Mizar >>> was this other star and I didn’t remember it being there. The >>> companion to Mizar is at .5” and shouldn’t be seen in BT 100 binos. >>> I saw the star again last night in the binos and in the C9.25 under >>> different magnifications. This is a very odd thing, I appreciate the help in trying to solve this oddity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Don J. Colton <djcolton@piol.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I observed Mizar with a 15" reflector last night. There was an >>>>>>>> 7.9 >>> magnitude star SAO 28748 about one minute southeast of Mizar at 1:28 AM >>> MDT. It forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Since the handle of the >>> Big Dipper rotates the cardinal directions of the star with respect >>> to Mizar also rotates. Perhaps this is the star you saw? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clear Skies, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don Colton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Utah-Astronomy >>>>>>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:06 AM >>>>>>>> To: Utah Astronomy >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mizar (solved) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well it's still there!! I guess about 1' separation, I put in >>>>>>>> 9mm EP's >>>>>>>> (58x) and still there. Swung over to Sirius and no reflection, >>>>>>>> back to Mizar and I shook the binos and the 'x companion' moved in sync. >>>>>>>> Other bright stars and no ghost companions. And then the clouds >>>>>>>> came >>> in. >>>>>>>> I'll wait a bit and maybe we'll clear, I'll get the 9.25 ready >>>>>>>> though seeing is about 5 tonite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just imaged Mizar again but this time with the scope and >>>>>>>>> camera >>> rotated 180 degrees. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No sign of anything unusual. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bummer... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 15:27, Rob Ratkowski <ratkwski@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh well, it is curious though that scopes and binos see the >>>>>>>>>> same reflection. I'll set up the 9.25 still at home and have >>>>>>>>>> a look again, maybe even image it if we have a clear evening >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aloha >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from Rob's iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Wiggins Patrick >>>>>>>>>>> <paw@getbeehive.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Rob, but the replies I'm getting from the pros on the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>> list I'm on are like this one: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I neglected to compare the 1-second image with the 5-second >>> image. >>>>>>>>>>>> When you do so it is clear that both Mizar components are >>>>>>>>>>>> getting reflected, and both move together between the two >>>>>>>>>>>> images. Too bad it’s not real. L >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh wel, maybe next time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> patrick >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2015, at 10:21, Rob Ratkowski >>>>>>>>>>>> <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If we ever get out of the trade showers I can look again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astr >>>>>>>>> o >>>>>>>>> nom >>>>>>>>> y >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Send messages to the list to >>>>>>>>> Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any >>> astronomy club. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe go to: >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astr >>>>>>>>> o nom y Then enter your email address in the space provided >>>>>>>>> and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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participants (12)
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Chuck Hards -
Dave Gary -
Don J. Colton -
Erik Hansen -
Joan Carman -
Joe Bauman -
Joel Stucki -
Larry Holmes -
Rob Ratkowski -
Rob Ratkowski -
Siegfried Jachmann -
Wiggins Patrick