In his excellent blog, Jay Eads posted a link to a comment by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. We should all be reading the blog --- which is here: http://jaysastronomyobservingblog.blogspot.com The one with the comment by Tyson is Tuesday's edition. Just to make it easier, here is the link to Tyson's comment. It's something almost all amateur astronomers already know, but he expresses it beautifully: http://jaysastronomyobservingblog.blogspot.com Thanks and best wishes to all, Joe
Sorry, the link to Tyson's comment is: http://youtu.be/9D05ej8u-gU ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:29 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Tyson on starstuff In his excellent blog, Jay Eads posted a link to a comment by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. We should all be reading the blog --- which is here: http://jaysastronomyobservingblog.blogspot.com The one with the comment by Tyson is Tuesday's edition. Just to make it easier, here is the link to Tyson's comment. It's something almost all amateur astronomers already know, but he expresses it beautifully: http://jaysastronomyobservingblog.blogspot.com Thanks and best wishes to all, Joe _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs. I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone? Kim
Have you seen this happen? For that matter, has anyone seen the young earth happen. None of this, young nor old is substantiated by actual observation. That is what creates interest and fun. After all, everything we think we know in the universe only comes from our observation of very narrow slivers of the electromagnetic spectrum. Of course, it all fits together as far as we know right now. I am left to wonder what will happen with additional knowledge that will come in the future. How will our perspective of the universe change? Science is only a glimpse of what we think we know at any one time. We are left to accept on faith either the young earth or the old earth. Just different sources. There, Kim, I took your bait! ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs. I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone? Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Ah Brent, my old friend. I wasn't trying to bait anyone - really. And, I admit that the picture of stellar evolution that Tyson discusses in the video itself is constantly evolving. I truly wonder about how this particular theory of stellar evolution fits a young earth perspective. I wonder, for example, if some might think that the universe could indeed be ancient but that the earth (and sun?) itself is still very young. Or, perhaps since God (or with a small "g" if you wish) can do anything, it doesn't matter that cosmology points to the need for stellar evolution to create heavy elements - God can do it any way or any where that He likes. At least this time, I really am not trying to bait, or mock, or offend anyone, I promise. I'd like to simply know what others think specifically about this. I have a neighbor in Tropic who is a Christian minister. I know that he believes in a young earth, but I haven't had the chance to ask about particulars. I don't really want a debate, just knowledge. It helps me as I talk to people in the Park. But thanks, Brent! Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:00 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff Have you seen this happen? For that matter, has anyone seen the young earth happen. None of this, young nor old is substantiated by actual observation. That is what creates interest and fun. After all, everything we think we know in the universe only comes from our observation of very narrow slivers of the electromagnetic spectrum. Of course, it all fits together as far as we know right now. I am left to wonder what will happen with additional knowledge that will come in the future. How will our perspective of the universe change? Science is only a glimpse of what we think we know at any one time. We are left to accept on faith either the young earth or the old earth. Just different sources. There, Kim, I took your bait! ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs. I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone? Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Yes, Kim, it was a sarcastic remark. But still, you bring up a good topic of conversation. Our whole perspective on life and our environment comes only from a couple of 1/4 inch optical apertures and a couple of other small holes in our head. Then, of course, it is interpreted by a less than perfect processor. I look forward to having the answer to this and other questions answered without equivocation. Thanks for asking the question. ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff Ah Brent, my old friend. I wasn't trying to bait anyone - really. And, I admit that the picture of stellar evolution that Tyson discusses in the video itself is constantly evolving. I truly wonder about how this particular theory of stellar evolution fits a young earth perspective. I wonder, for example, if some might think that the universe could indeed be ancient but that the earth (and sun?) itself is still very young. Or, perhaps since God (or with a small "g" if you wish) can do anything, it doesn't matter that cosmology points to the need for stellar evolution to create heavy elements - God can do it any way or any where that He likes. At least this time, I really am not trying to bait, or mock, or offend anyone, I promise. I'd like to simply know what others think specifically about this. I have a neighbor in Tropic who is a Christian minister. I know that he believes in a young earth, but I haven't had the chance to ask about particulars. I don't really want a debate, just knowledge. It helps me as I talk to people in the Park. But thanks, Brent! Kim
By the way - what's with this "old" stuff. I can't be more than 20. Ok, maybe 30. ;) ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff Ah Brent, my old friend. I wasn't trying to bait anyone - really. And, I admit that the picture of stellar evolution that Tyson discusses in the video itself is constantly evolving. I truly wonder about how this particular theory of stellar evolution fits a young earth perspective. I wonder, for example, if some might think that the universe could indeed be ancient but that the earth (and sun?) itself is still very young. Or, perhaps since God (or with a small "g" if you wish) can do anything, it doesn't matter that cosmology points to the need for stellar evolution to create heavy elements - God can do it any way or any where that He likes. At least this time, I really am not trying to bait, or mock, or offend anyone, I promise. I'd like to simply know what others think specifically about this. I have a neighbor in Tropic who is a Christian minister. I know that he believes in a young earth, but I haven't had the chance to ask about particulars. I don't really want a debate, just knowledge. It helps me as I talk to people in the Park. But thanks, Brent! Kim -
Not implying a thing, Brent. But since you bring it up, you will always be older than me - at least until we're dead. You can't get older than that. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:34 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff By the way - what's with this "old" stuff. I can't be more than 20. Ok, maybe 30. ;) ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff Ah Brent, my old friend. I wasn't trying to bait anyone - really. And, I admit that the picture of stellar evolution that Tyson discusses in the video itself is constantly evolving. I truly wonder about how this particular theory of stellar evolution fits a young earth perspective. I wonder, for example, if some might think that the universe could indeed be ancient but that the earth (and sun?) itself is still very young. Or, perhaps since God (or with a small "g" if you wish) can do anything, it doesn't matter that cosmology points to the need for stellar evolution to create heavy elements - God can do it any way or any where that He likes. At least this time, I really am not trying to bait, or mock, or offend anyone, I promise. I'd like to simply know what others think specifically about this. I have a neighbor in Tropic who is a Christian minister. I know that he believes in a young earth, but I haven't had the chance to ask about particulars. I don't really want a debate, just knowledge. It helps me as I talk to people in the Park. But thanks, Brent! Kim - _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
How old are the ancient mummies of Egypt again? :-) -Barrett <at least until we're dead. You can't get older than that.
Maybe earths are duplicated by large replicators like Star Trek does on a small scale. That would really throw a monkey in any dating process since the duplicated earths would appear to be old. This is not my belief but I think we need to keep open minds and not assume we know very much. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:00 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff Have you seen this happen? For that matter, has anyone seen the young earth happen. None of this, young nor old is substantiated by actual observation. That is what creates interest and fun. After all, everything we think we know in the universe only comes from our observation of very narrow slivers of the electromagnetic spectrum. Of course, it all fits together as far as we know right now. I am left to wonder what will happen with additional knowledge that will come in the future. How will our perspective of the universe change? Science is only a glimpse of what we think we know at any one time. We are left to accept on faith either the young earth or the old earth. Just different sources. There, Kim, I took your bait! ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs. I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone? Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Is there a Young Earth Society? Maybe I’ll join that one (along with The Flat Earth Society) and send both certificates to Patrick to be hung at SPOC. I’m becoming more and more enamored of Nick Bostrom’s simulator theory. Things are just too weird on this planet for any of it to be “real”. Why was I sent here? Dave On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Brent Watson wrote:
Have you seen this happen? For that matter, has anyone seen the young earth happen. None of this, young nor old is substantiated by actual observation. That is what creates interest and fun. After all, everything we think we know in the universe only comes from our observation of very narrow slivers of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Of course, it all fits together as far as we know right now. I am left to wonder what will happen with additional knowledge that will come in the future. How will our perspective of the universe change? Science is only a glimpse of what we think we know at any one time.
We are left to accept on faith either the young earth or the old earth. Just different sources.
There, Kim, I took your bait!
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff
I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs.
I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone?
Kim
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There is, but I think you need to move to Arkansas or Kansas. A sew-on patch is probably more appropriate or maybe a printed Certificate of Achievement you can display in an office.
Is there a Young Earth Society? Maybe Ill join that one (along with The
Flat Earth Society) and send both certificates to Patrick to be hung at SPOC. Im becoming more and more enamored of Nick Bostroms simulator theory. Things are just too weird on this planet for any of it to be real. Why was I sent here?
Dave On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Brent Watson wrote:
Have you seen this happen? For that matter, has anyone seen the young earth happen. None of this, young nor old is substantiated by actual observation. That is what creates interest and fun. After all, everything we think we know in the universe only comes from our observation of very narrow slivers of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Of course, it all fits together as far as we know right now. I am left to wonder what will happen with additional knowledge that will come in the future. How will our perspective of the universe change? Science is only a glimpse of what we think we know at any one time.
We are left to accept on faith either the young earth or the old earth. Just different sources.
There, Kim, I took your bait!
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff
I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs.
I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone?
Kim
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4, 5 threads with the same subject line and most with too many quoted posts included. Those who complain about "emal clutter" have only themselves to blame. Learn how to reply to a list serve. ;-) I've decided that I don't care what others think about the age of the earth (and, by extension, the universe). I know what I think, and I only care if they try to legislate their beliefs on me and my children. In the meantime, such things should be taught according to consensus among the experts. When spiritual leaders all have physics degrees, I may give them more credence than I do now. Likewise it might be a good idea for more physicists to obtain divinity degrees. Government is the art of compromise. Would that more modern politicians thought like Goldwater. He was especially fearfull of what would happen if fundamentalists came into power. He was justified in his thinking. Any group who is not willing to compromise in government is dangerous. Dave was wondering why he was here. I can't answer that specifically, but I'm sure I know why I'm here. Among other things, it involves drinking beer, enjoying fine food, drawing and sketching, driving fast cars, gardening, building telescopes and other bits of useless hardware, loving my family and friends, and peering out into the sky while contemplating where I am and what lies beyond. Tyson is a good popularizer and communicator. But he is just a link in a chain, and repeats everything Sagan told us decades ago. "We are a way for the universe to know itself" -- Carl Sagan. Good night, my friends. Enjoy this world, whether it be 6,000 years old or over 4 billion. Pretty remarkable planet, either way. :-)
Hear, hear. But it is impressive that the universe is conscious (in us and other sentient life) to observe and react to itself. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Tyson on starstuff 4, 5 threads with the same subject line and most with too many quoted posts included. Those who complain about "emal clutter" have only themselves to blame. Learn how to reply to a list serve. ;-) I've decided that I don't care what others think about the age of the earth (and, by extension, the universe). I know what I think, and I only care if they try to legislate their beliefs on me and my children. In the meantime, such things should be taught according to consensus among the experts. When spiritual leaders all have physics degrees, I may give them more credence than I do now. Likewise it might be a good idea for more physicists to obtain divinity degrees. Government is the art of compromise. Would that more modern politicians thought like Goldwater. He was especially fearfull of what would happen if fundamentalists came into power. He was justified in his thinking. Any group who is not willing to compromise in government is dangerous. Dave was wondering why he was here. I can't answer that specifically, but I'm sure I know why I'm here. Among other things, it involves drinking beer, enjoying fine food, drawing and sketching, driving fast cars, gardening, building telescopes and other bits of useless hardware, loving my family and friends, and peering out into the sky while contemplating where I am and what lies beyond. Tyson is a good popularizer and communicator. But he is just a link in a chain, and repeats everything Sagan told us decades ago. "We are a way for the universe to know itself" -- Carl Sagan. Good night, my friends. Enjoy this world, whether it be 6,000 years old or over 4 billion. Pretty remarkable planet, either way. :-) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
On 09 Mar 2012, at 15:30, Dave Gary wrote:
Is there a Young Earth Society? Maybe I’ll join that one (along with The Flat Earth Society) and send both certificates to Patrick to be hung at SPOC.
Maybe while you're at it you can get one from these folks to add to your collection: http://www.subgenius.com/ Not sure, but I think Dave Bernson may have already been ordained by them. patrick :)
I miss X-Day. (Yes, I have my Order of the Subgenius membership kit somewhere…All Hail Bob!) Dan On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Patrick Wiggins wrote:
On 09 Mar 2012, at 15:30, Dave Gary wrote:
Is there a Young Earth Society? Maybe I’ll join that one (along with The Flat Earth Society) and send both certificates to Patrick to be hung at SPOC.
Maybe while you're at it you can get one from these folks to add to your collection:
Not sure, but I think Dave Bernson may have already been ordained by them.
patrick :) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Not sure we (as humankind) know enough about either scenario to tack the word "fact" to them. There's a whole lot we just don't know nor understand. History has shown that our "facts" have been pretty changeable. I don't expect that "fact" to change real soon :) Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+mat.hutchings=siemens.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+mat.hutchings=siemens.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:18 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs. I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone? Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
OK - I'll give you that. That's why in a subsequent post I wrote "theory" (but I still reserve the right to think of it as "fact"). ;-) -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hutchings, Mat (H USA) Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:15 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff Not sure we (as humankind) know enough about either scenario to tack the word "fact" to them. There's a whole lot we just don't know nor understand. History has shown that our "facts" have been pretty changeable. I don't expect that "fact" to change real soon :) Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+mat.hutchings=siemens.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+mat.hutchings=siemens.com@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:18 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Tyson on starstuff I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs. I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone? Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Well, if you consider scientific evidence, add up the evidence that the earth is young (6,000 years) or old (billions of years), seems the answer is old.
There is little real evidence that the earth is not billions of years old, perhaps the only argument is what the biblical definition of a year or more correctly a day is. The semantics seems tortured. If you believe in God, don't you have to accept what the Universe for what it is, rather than what you believe. In my opinion science has improved humanity more than religion at least our understanding of the world we live in. There is much yet to learned, to me it seems things are much more complicated than we can imagine. I doubt increased knowledge will point toward anything other than super nova's create the elements needed for life. Stellar Evolution seems the least controversial subject among astrophysicists.
I consider this fact (i.e. that we're made of star stuff) as one of a number of key evidences for an ancient earth/ancient universe and I share it when I talk to people at astronomy programs.
I know that we have some on this list who believe in a young earth, and I truly don't mean any disrespect here, but perhaps they would be interested in commenting on how the creation of heavy elements in the cores of stars and the fact that generations of stars were necessary to our evolution fits with that perspective. Anyone?
Kim
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