As long as we're wading into the fever swamp...
As long as we're wading into the fever swamp, I found something of interest bearing on the grounds upon which this discussion tends to dwell. The remarks below are taken from http://nationalreview.com/comment/ klinghoffer200508030811.asp
One prominent evolutionary psychologist, Harvard’s Steven Pinker, has written frankly about rivalry in academia, and the use of cutting rhetoric in the defense of established ideas: “Their champions are not always averse to helping the ideas along with tactics of verbal dominance, among them intimidation (‘Clearly…’), threat (‘It would be unscientific to…’), authority (‘As Popper showed…’), insult (‘This work lacks the necessary rigor for…’), and belittling (‘Few people today seriously believe that…’).”
I bring this up because Intelligent Design aggressively challenges the status of many professionals currently laboring in secular academia. And because one of the hallmarks of the defense of Darwinism is precisely the kind of rhetorical displays of intimidation, threat, authority, and insult that Pinker describes.
For instance in a section on the website of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, entitled “Q&A on Evolution and Intelligent Design,” you will find numerous statements as if lifted almost verbatim from Pinker’s examples — ridiculing ID as “non-scientific,” an idea whose “advocates have yet to contribute in a scientifically rigorous manner,” who “may use the language of science, but [who] do not use its methodology.” It will be interesting to watch the discussion here and see whether it exhibits the hallmarks of the defense of Darwinism noted by Pinker and Klinghoffer.
Jim
James, You stated: "Intelligent Design aggressively challenges the status of many professionals currently laboring in secular academia". I respectfully but completely disagree. And therein lies the rub -- most professional scientists are just plain sick and tired of the whole debate, because in fact there ISN'T a serious challenge of facts -- they exist only in the the minds of religionists that want to force their beliefs on others. And of course given that obvious level of sheer frustration (picture Neil Armstrong defending his moonwalk with conspiracy theorists that claim the whole Apollo program was filmed in a Hollywood back lot), dialog will sometimes include elements that may sound like "intimidation, threat, authority, and insult". Go figure. --- James Cobb <james@cobb.name> wrote:
As long as we're wading into the fever swamp, I found something of interest bearing on the grounds upon which this discussion tends to dwell.
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James, respectfully, I hope you honestly don't think Pinker and Klinghoffer have raised valid points. Those "hallmarks" seem to be completely valid criticisms, and to cast them as character assasination and insult isn't an idea worth entertaining at all. It is clearly meant to fan the flames of divisiveness, purely and simply. --- James Cobb <james@cobb.name> wrote:
It will be interesting to watch the discussion here and see whether it exhibits the hallmarks of the defense of Darwinism noted by Pinker and Klinghoffer.
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