Yeah, Veterans Day only goes so far. Great view from up there, Joan? On Nov 13, 2011 10:27 PM, <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:

Thanks for getting this board back on the subject of astronomy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy List Serv" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:01:42 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament

http://spaceweather.com/ notes that many observers are describing the largest filament seen in years moving across the solar disk.

Images

http://solardatabase.free.fr/vignette/upload/pl_images/0_111114011935.jpg

http://spaceweather.com/images2011/13nov11/filament_2.jpg?PHPSESSID=qal87ceh...

- Kurt

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I think of UA as a group of friends who are interested in astronomy, sitting around a table and talking. Nobody should try to restrict their conversation to one topic. It's fun to gab about whatever's interesting to folks. If you don't want to enter into that particular topic, check the subject line and delete the comment. But I enjoy our veering off into this, that and the other topic. So what if the discussion is about veterans? Several of our group are veterans and they deserve recognition, and it's OK to give it to them in a forum we all share. Each discussion group has its own flavor, and I very much appreciate the eclectic approach of ours. Let's not get oppressive. -- Joe ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament I have the greatest respect for Veterans, although I am not one of them.  As a woman, in particular, I enjoy my country and the privilege of enjoying astronomy because of them. I take the need to send our country's men and women in to battle, to die, very seriously, even as a private citizen. Asking for opinions is appropriate for any board and waxing nostalgic is also enjoyable, but grumblling about things that are way past and can't be changed is useless and boring.  SLAS can be as tripping over itself political as it wants, as always.  This is Utah-Astronomy.  It's nice to get back on topic, especially after the endless posts on Coon's Chicken Inn, Sambo's, 5 cent coffee, tires and cheap gas.    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:35:44 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament Yeah, Veterans Day only goes so far. Great view from up there, Joan? On Nov 13, 2011 10:27 PM, <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:

Thanks for getting this board back on the subject of astronomy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy List Serv" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:01:42 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament

http://spaceweather.com/ notes that many observers are describing the largest filament seen in years moving across the solar disk.

Images

http://solardatabase.free.fr/vignette/upload/pl_images/0_111114011935.jpg

http://spaceweather.com/images2011/13nov11/filament_2.jpg?PHPSESSID=qal87ceh...

- Kurt

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Rich Allen: You mean we can't make a comment like "That's not how special interest mailing lists work"? -- No astronomical features in that sentence. If you don't want to read some of our comments, don't. But unless you're the list moderator and have been enforcing that kind of censorship all along, you shouldn't tell people they cannot veer off topic once in a while. -- Joe Bauman ________________________________ From: Rich Allen <rico@ricosweb.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Discussions On 11/14/2011 11:23 AM, Joe Bauman wrote:

I think of UA as a group of friends who are interested in astronomy, sitting around a table and talking. Nobody should try to restrict their conversation to one topic.

That's not how special interest mailing lists work.  Each list is about a specific topic, it is not a general forum to discuss anything you want.  If you guys want to rename this list to "Utah Chat" then I'll go find somewhere else to discuss astronomy. Rich Allen _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

The relevence of content is always relevent.   I have belonged to many email discussion groups and I have to say that this one  suffers from buddy chatter.    Long ago email was the only online medium and discussion lists were more informal.  Today there are other outlets for people who just want to chat with friends.  This is not a group of a dozen people who all know eachother by first names.  It's a list of over 200 people who  come here to discuss.... well ... astronomy in Utah.    I dislike it when people are invited to leave the list if they don't like the content.    We recently lost David Rankin and at the time I wish I had said something.    You are not addressing your buddies, you are talking to 200 people, most of whom don't know you and really don't care about your personal problems or random opinion.   DT ________________________________ From: Rich Allen <rico@ricosweb.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Discussions On 11/14/2011 11:23 AM, Joe Bauman wrote:

I think of UA as a group of friends who are interested in astronomy, sitting around a table and talking. Nobody should try to restrict their conversation to one topic.

That's not how special interest mailing lists work.  Each list is about a specific topic, it is not a general forum to discuss anything you want.  If you guys want to rename this list to "Utah Chat" then I'll go find somewhere else to discuss astronomy. Rich Allen _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

Daniel, perhaps your last words speak to one of the problems with the list. It seems to me that while the club has some 200 members, I seriously doubt that all 200 are hanging on every word being posted to the list. When help is requested to run the telescopes at the SPOC star parties, it seems like you see the same people each time, as few seem willing to step up to the bat. Same with the meetings. Same people _most_ of the time. Same with school star parties. To me, you are saying the list is different from the club & I disagree with that. I stand that the list is the social network of and for the club--but the club is and of astronomical interests, as the posts should rightly be. But, people have a right to go off topic, realizing of course, that they may disturb the universe by so doing. If I listen to you & Rich, even SLAS blasts, such as those about the bbq, would be verbooten. As far as discussions about veterans, I am a Korean era vet, and to mimic Merle, "you're walking on the fighting side of me." Same as Joe--I come here for astronomy interests, too. If I see a thread I don't care for, I just delete it. I counted the emails to this post for Sat, Sun, & Mon. By my count, there were 17 different people doing the posting. The breakdown by person (one was from SLAS) is: one with 10 posts, one w/8, 1w/5, 3 w/4, 2 w/2, 7 w/1. I feel this is pretty typical over a three day period. Not very many people doing the posting, and of those, the bulk of the posts come from a few. We do come here for a common interest. It just comes down to the fact that you can't please all the people all the time. In fact, you cannot please some of the people anytime. I do wish I could say what I want to say in a few words, but that does not ever seem to work out for me. I really do not care if you find this offensive. I have just as much right to say what I feel, as do you. That is the beauty of living in this country we are privileged to call home. 73, lh On 11/14/2011 12:10 PM, daniel turner wrote:

The relevence of content is always relevent.

I have belonged to many email discussion groups and I have to say that this one suffers from buddy chatter.

Long ago email was the only online medium and discussion lists were more informal. Today there are other outlets for people who just want to chat with friends. This is not a group of a dozen people who all know eachother by first names. It's a list of over 200 people who come here to discuss.... well ... astronomy in Utah.

I dislike it when people are invited to leave the list if they don't like the content.

We recently lost David Rankin and at the time I wish I had said something.

You are not addressing your buddies, you are talking to 200 people, most of whom don't know you and really don't care about your personal problems or random opinion.

DT

________________________________ From: Rich Allen<rico@ricosweb.net> To: Utah Astronomy<utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Discussions

On 11/14/2011 11:23 AM, Joe Bauman wrote:

...

I think of UA as a group of friends who are interested in astronomy, sitting around a table and talking. Nobody should try to restrict their conversation to one topic. That's not how special interest mailing lists work. Each list is about a specific topic, it is not a general forum to discuss anything you want. If you guys want to rename this list to "Utah Chat" then I'll go find somewhere else to discuss astronomy.

Rich Allen

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I see nothing wrong with an occasional ramble into other topics. After all, we're not professional astronomers -- we're folks with a common interest, but it would be stifling to talk about nothing but that interest. As a long-time fighter for freedom of information in my career as a reporter (which included filing actions with both the state and federal governments), I think freedom of speech is so important that we should stick up for it. We should be allowed to have friendly chats about all sorts of topics. Let's not worry about quibbles, and let's just put "OT" in the subject line when we drift off the main track. Then anyone who isn't interested in non-astronomy topics can simply delete the comment without reading it. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Steve Fisher <iotacass1@hotmail.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Discussions Sorry, Larry!  I believe you are incorrect on an item or two. The Utah Astronomy List and the Salt Lake Astronomical Society are not the same. They are "different". We may have many of the same faces and share a common interest but that is it. I may be corrected once the Admin gets back from his flight but the Utah Astronomy mailing list is in no way the "social network of and for the club". I will be the first to admit that I can and have been taken off topic but I try to keep in mind that this is not the club and it is simply used to discuss astronomy. It is my understanding that Daniel is correct.  I even tried to get back on track by indicating how many Spudnuts it takes to purchase a new telescope. (that didn't work) This list is for the discussion of astronomy and occasionally we get "off topic". Fortunately there are people like Daniel and Patrick to guide us back. Just my .02   > _______________________________________________

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Joe?

From: paw@wirelessbeehive.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:51:10 -0700 To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Discussions

Ok, "admin" is back. :)

Actually it's "co-admin" since I'm not the only one.

Joe is right in that U-A is not a SLAS list.

As for Joe's statement that I might be able to "guide us back", well, the phrase "herding cats" comes to mind.

FWIW, Yes, I am a co-admin and as such do have the ability to kick people off the list. But not even the infamous creationism and climate change "discussions" moved me to exercise that ability.

In my mind, U-A is basically a version of the ATSs (Advanced Training Sessions) held after most SLAS functions. At those shindigs just about everything gets discussed including, occasionally, astronomy. :)

Those of you who know me know that with a few exceptions my politics tend to lean to the left so I tend to be pretty open minded about what gets discussed here. I really don't like censorship. That's what everyone's delete key is for. No one forces any of us to read anything here we don't want to.

So let us try to keep it to astronomy most of the time. But if we drift off into other things every now and then I hope most will understand that eventually things will settle down and the cats will herd them selves.

patrick

p.s. Speaking of cats, Puss in Boots is a fun flick.

On 14 Nov 2011, at 17:31, Steve Fisher wrote:

...

Sorry, Larry! I believe you are incorrect on an item or two. The Utah Astronomy List and the Salt Lake Astronomical Society are not the same. They are "different". We may have many of the same faces and share a common interest but that is it. I may be corrected once the Admin gets back from his flight but the Utah Astronomy mailing list is in no way the "social network of and for the club". I will be the first to admit that I can and have been taken off topic but I try to keep in mind that this is not the club and it is simply used to discuss astronomy. It is my understanding that Daniel is correct. I even tried to get back on track by indicating how many Spudnuts it takes to purchase a new telescope. (that didn't work) This list is for the discussion of astronomy and occasionally we get "off topic". Fortunately there are people like Daniel and Patrick to guide us back. Just my .02

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I think of UA as a group of friends who are interested in astronomy, sitting around a table and talking. Nobody should try to restrict their conversation to one topic. It's fun to gab about whatever's interesting to folks. If you don't want to enter into that particular topic, check the subject line and delete the comment. But I enjoy our veering off into this, that and the other topic. So what if the discussion is about veterans? Several of our group are veterans and they deserve recognition, and it's OK to give it to them in a forum we all share. Each discussion group has its own flavor, and I very much appreciate the eclectic approach of ours. Let's not get oppressive. -- Joe ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament I have the greatest respect for Veterans, although I am not one of them.  As a woman, in particular, I enjoy my country and the privilege of enjoying astronomy because of them. I take the need to send our country's men and women in to battle, to die, very seriously, even as a private citizen. Asking for opinions is appropriate for any board and waxing nostalgic is also enjoyable, but grumblling about things that are way past and can't be changed is useless and boring.  SLAS can be as tripping over itself political as it wants, as always.  This is Utah-Astronomy.  It's nice to get back on topic, especially after the endless posts on Coon's Chicken Inn, Sambo's, 5 cent coffee, tires and cheap gas.    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:35:44 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament Yeah, Veterans Day only goes so far. Great view from up there, Joan? On Nov 13, 2011 10:27 PM, <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:

Thanks for getting this board back on the subject of astronomy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy List Serv" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:01:42 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sun - large dark filament

http://spaceweather.com/ notes that many observers are describing the largest filament seen in years moving across the solar disk.

Images

http://solardatabase.free.fr/vignette/upload/pl_images/0_111114011935.jpg

http://spaceweather.com/images2011/13nov11/filament_2.jpg?PHPSESSID=qal87ceh...

- Kurt

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